Baddest Afro Descent Women: Day 1 - Somalis!

Are Somali women GOAT?

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the whole human race are descendants wtf :mjlol:

That's not what's being discussed here. Nobody said that humanity came from Cushytes. What's being discussed is who were the indigenous people of the Horn before the back-migration which spawned Cushytes.
 

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Turkana are not pure.

The people who used to roam East Africa before the Cushytes were related to nilotics, but they are extinct and we are their only direct descendants. I can post a study which affirms this by the way

No one is "pure." The earliest people in East Africa were related to Nilotics and also Hadza people. They were not Cushytic. And if Cushytic are their direct descendants then why don't Cushytic people carry Nilotic lineages in large frequencies?

Cushytic people themselves are actually recent to East Africa too. IIRC southern Cushytic people like the Oromo only recently came to their area. Again IIRC...
 

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Why are we discussing the origins of humanity all of a sudden? :mindblown:

Wtf. Who even said that humanity came from Cushytes? :dahell:
 

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That's not what's being discussed here. Nobody said that humanity came from Cushytes. What's being discussed is who were the indigenous people of the Horn before the back-migration which spawned Cushytes.

They also spawned the people that would become "West Africans." Do you realize that Afro-Asiatic speakers and Niger-Congo speakers when it comes to paternal lineages are basically siblings?
 

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No one is "pure." The earliest people in East Africa were related to Nilotics and also Hadza people. They were not Cushytic. And if Cushytic are their direct descendants then why don't Cushytic people carry Nilotic lineages in large frequencies?

Cushytic people themselves are actually recent to East Africa too. IIRC southern Cushytic people like the Oromo only recently came to their area. Again IIRC...

They are related to nilotics, but were not nilotic. Cushytes are the only descendants of those people:

The African Ethiopic ancestry is tightly restricted to HOA populations and likely represents an autochthonous HOA population.

Early Back-to-Africa Migration into the Horn of Africa
 

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They also spawned the people that would become "West Africans." Do you realize that Afro-Asiatic speakers and Niger-Congo speakers when it comes to paternal lineages are basically siblings?

Aren't we separated by like 30K years?

Read the Abstract of the study I just posted to see the point that I'm trying to make.
 

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They are related to nilotics, but were not nilotic. Cushytes are the only descendants of those people:

The African Ethiopic ancestry is tightly restricted to HOA populations and likely represents an autochthonous HOA population.

Early Back-to-Africa Migration into the Horn of Africa
First link is not working and the second one I read time and time again. Where does it state only Cushytes are descendants if those people? You mean Cushyte people obtained admixture from those people? And if they were related to Nilotics then they were obviously the ancestors of Nilotic speakers. Like I said Niloics(exluding Hazda people) are the only group in East Africa that carry very old lineages such as A and B in large frequency.
 

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Aren't we separated by like 30K years?

Read the Abstract of the study I just posted to see the point that I'm trying to make.
You're saying that AA speakers were the only descendants from those early East Africans. If they are then so are West Africans because BOTH West Africans and Horners are E carriers...
 

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Anyway, the period that I'm talking about is much more recent. We're talking maybe 10k years ago in the Horn before there are Cushytes, Bantus and such. There was a now extinct group of people who were indigenous to that region. Those people appear to have mixed with another group of people who migrated back into the Horn from West Eurasia. This is how Cushytes came about.

We're the only direct descendants of those people. I'm not saying that there weren't other indigenous grouos (like the San, some nilotic groups). Just making the point that we are direct descendants of indigenous people and not foreign invaders like some African people claim.
 

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First link is not working and the second one I read time and time again. Where does it state only Cushytes are descendants if those people? You mean Cushyte people obtained admixture from those people? And if they were related to Nilotics then they were obviously the ancestors of Nilotic speakers. Like I said Niloics(exluding Hazda people) are the only group in East Africa that carry very old lineages such as A and B in large frequency.

The study refers to their admixture as "Ethiopic" and clearly states that it's tightly restricted to Horners. Furthermore, it says that they were "autochthonous" (i.e native).

The underlined piece of text is a quote, not a link.
 

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Anyway, the period that I'm talking about is much more recent. We're talking maybe 10k years ago in the Horn before there are Cushytes, Bantus and such. There was a now extinct group of people who were indigenous to that region. Those people appear to have mixed with another group of people who migrated back into the Horn from West Eurasia. This is how Cushytes came about.

We're the only direct descendants of those people. I'm not saying that there weren't other indigenous grouos (like the San, some nilotic groups). Just making the point that we are direct descendants of indigenous people and not foreign invaders like some African people claim.

10k is much after the split of the ancestors of NC and AA speakers. Anyways I know the group what you are referring to. But I don't think they are the oldest. Plus those Eurasian could have been "basel Eurasian."
 

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You're saying that AA speakers were the only descendants from those early East Africans. If they are then so are West Africans because BOTH West Africans and Horners are E carriers...

I'm not talking about y-dna breh. I'm not denying that West Africans and most HOA have the same origin of ydna .

Afro-Asiatic speakers originated in Africa IMO.

We're talking about a much later point in history. Specifically about Cushytes. At that time, Niger-Congo speakers were somewhere in central Africa and the Horn was mainly populated by San and some other groups.
 

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I'm not talking about y-dna breh. I'm not denying that West Africans and most HOA have the same origin of ydna .

Afro-Asiatic speakers originated in Africa IMO.

We're talking about a much later point in history. Specifically about Cushytes. At that time, Niger-Congo speakers were somewhere in central Africa and the Horn was mainly populated by San and some other groups.

Um... Niger-Congo speakers did not get to central Africa until the Bantu migration. If we are talking 10k years ago then they were in the wet Sahara or Sudan. And I doubt the horn was populated by San during the time you speak of. Most likely Hadza or Nilotic type. Hell Nilotic types are still there.
 

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10k is much after the split of the ancestors of NC and AA speakers. Anyways I know the group what you are referring to. But I don't think they are the oldest. Plus those Eurasian could have been "basel Eurasian."

The only point I wanted to make was that Cushytes are direct descendants of an indigenous people of the Horn. Not sure if they were older than San but they are now extinct and we are the only people in Africa who carry their DNA according to the study that I posted.

I have to state this because mothafukkas be questioning our heritage and shyt, saying we're foreign invaders.
 
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