Ayo.... How Did No Limit Sell So Many Records?

[NO-BadAzz]

your mental gymnastics are remarkable.
the way you dance around the shortcomings of your favorites is astonishing.

you really gonna sit up here and act like no limit soldiers got better promotion than outkast & goodie mob??
them dudes would trade in those "coming soon" ads for goodie mob promotion 10 times out of 10. hell, they'd trade it in for cool breeze/slimm calhoun promotion.
f*ckin master p & no limit snoop dogg didnt even have as much promotion as outkast.

and yes, outkast benefited greatly from being on laface and associated with those acts. whenever i point out that they had a big r&b base from day one, people on here get upset.

we really gonna act like outkast & goodie mob werent featured on laface compilations/soundtracks, TLC collabos, etc??? in addition to the erykah badu association. theyre not a platinum act in the '90s without this, but i guess none of this ever existed according to @JustCKing. let him tell it, the gambino family & full blooded received more exposure.







EVERY label does stuff like that.

why couldnt dungeon family killer mike, slim calhoun, cool breeze, witch doctor, etc have the success of no limit, despite the fact that all those DF guys were pushed harder?
hell goodie mob could never even go platinum with all the promo they had.





im not gonna get into a back-n-forth with you about this. youve never been up-top. i dont know why youre even trying to argue.

im not saying that no limit was the first rappers with a national buzz. im saying that theyre the ones who moved the needle and brought interest to the southern market. if you seriously think groups like 8ball & MJG and the goodie mob made a dent in that aspect, then you just need to sitdown.

scarface is legendary, but he never even moved the needle for other rap-a-lot artists, let alone the south.

lol @ c-murder not being a star, and your logic.
lol @ you trying to tell me who was arguing about what. YOURE NOT FROM UP HERE. people who didnt even like no limit would chime in from the sideline on those arguments

you dont have to be compared to DMX, in order to have a buzz. BARELY ANYBODY was compared to DMX. only active rapper who was able to get that argument was jay-z.

The breh don't like the truth lol

Outkast pushed 1 million on a major label and you had folks like Skull, Kane & Abel, Fiend, Youngbleed, seeing Gold and a milli without air play and radio play

I keep telling dude, Outkast and the Goodie Mob was not the group folks were checking for like that back in the gap...It's the truth, I lived it and witnessed it.

C-Murder wasn't no star? Come on, Dude had one of the most anticipated albums of the year in 1998

He was part of TRU, and killed everything he was on, on that album



I really wish we could go back in time, I really wish we could

 

[NO-BadAzz]

If Wiki is stat padding

How the hell P managed to sell those albums and folks in the industry are letting it fly like that. His special comes out, and I am willing to bet they will announced/say the many albums that NL sold


P, Silkk, Mysikal, Snoop, the main stars on the label (and Snoop got there late in a sense), were selling that many records?? so how did they managed to sell over 100 million records when it's all said and done? Who else albums were selling, Even with them selling 40 albums all combined (which I don't know) we are still 60 million albums short. B, C, & D acts had to be pulling their weight too?

Something aint adding up, and P been yelling he's hit 75-100 million records sold for a minute and haven't been called out by anybody with the fake numbers other then the coli brehs

Even 50 cents hadn't challenged P on his padding of the stats.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

The breh don't like the truth lol

Outkast pushed 1 million on a major label and you had folks like Skull, Kane & Abel, Fiend, Youngbleed, seeing Gold and a milli without air play and radio play

I keep telling dude, Outkast and the Goodie Mob was not the group folks were checking for like that back in the gap...It's the truth, I lived it and witnessed it.

C-Murder wasn't no star? Come on, Dude had one of the most anticipated albums of the year in 1998

yea, people get mad on here when i point out that outkast inherited that PM Dawn/arrested development fanbase. that and the laface machine are the reasons why they were able to go platinum back in the day. i know some tears were shed on some coli keyboards when i pointed out that LA Reid himself said that he signed outkast because they reminded him of arrested development.

and yea, lol @ c-murder not being a star. older people who dont even follow rap know about c-murder.

 

[JustCKing]

your mental gymnastics are remarkable.
the way you dance around the shortcomings of your favorites is astonishing.

you really gonna sit up here and act like no limit soldiers got better promotion than outkast & goodie mob??
them dudes would trade in those "coming soon" ads for goodie mob promotion 10 times out of 10. hell, they'd trade it in for cool breeze/slimm calhoun promotion.
f*ckin master p & no limit snoop dogg didnt even have as much promotion as outkast.

and yes, outkast benefited greatly from being on laface and associated with those acts. whenever i point out that they had a big r&b base from day one, people on here get upset.

we really gonna act like outkast & goodie mob werent featured on laface compilations/soundtracks, TLC collabos, etc??? in addition to the erykah badu association. theyre not a platinum act in the '90s without this, but i guess none of this ever existed according to @JustCKing. let him tell it, the gambino family & full blooded received more exposure.

What mental gymnastics? Where did I ever say that No Limit got better promo? My point was that this whole notion of No Limit having "no promo" is bogus and that No Limit's marketing was GOAT and was better than pretty much every label out. They didn't need million dollar videos and big singles to push an album when every album promoted the next.

Kast was featured on one La Face compilation, Soul Food soundtrack, and Andre got one verse on a TLC album vs most of the No Limit roster being on every No Limit release with an ad for an upcoming album in the booklet. Huge difference.

Erykah Badu? I don't see how she helped anything being that they were selling records before anyone had even heard of her.

Outkast never benefited from being on La Face. Outkast and Goodie were their own thing. Babyface and LA pretty much nurtured all those R&B acts with writing and production or outsourced it to Jermaine Dupri. Outkast and Goodie had ONP, Mr. DJ or they produced it themselves.

EVERY label does stuff like that.

why couldnt dungeon family killer mike, slim calhoun, cool breeze, witch doctor, etc have the success of no limit, despite the fact that all those DF guys were pushed harder?
hell goodie mob could never even go platinum with all the promo they had.

Every label was not doing that. You never saw album covers for nearly an entire roster printed in the cd booklets like that.

Dungeon Family was not a label. Organized Noize had their own label deal and Kast had their own. The difference is none of these acts were all over each other's releases. They each got one song if that. You weren't going to hear Backbone all over a Goodie Mob or Last album. Breeze, Witchdoctor, Slim, and Killer Mike were only on like one song average. Compare that to P's albums where Ghetto D is more of a Silkk, Mystikal, and Fiend album as much as it is P's.

im not gonna get into a back-n-forth with you about this. youve never been up-top. i dont know why youre even trying to argue.

im not saying that no limit was the first rappers with a national buzz. im saying that theyre the ones who moved the needle and brought interest to the southern market. if you seriously think groups like 8ball & MJG and the goodie mob made a dent in that aspect, then you just need to sitdown.

scarface is legendary, but he never even moved the needle for other rap-a-lot artists, let alone the south.

lol @ c-murder not being a star, and your logic.
lol @ you trying to tell me who was arguing about what. YOURE NOT FROM UP HERE. people who didnt even like no limit would chime in from the sideline on those arguments

you dont have to be compared to DMX, in order to have a buzz. BARELY ANYBODY was compared to DMX. only active rapper who was able to get that argument was jay-z.

Breh, you can't say there was no Southern market and then claim that there wasn't artists with national buzz in the South BEFORE No Limit. That's ludicrous. You saying Face only moved the needle for Rap A Lot, but such is the case for P. I always ask what other Southerners did P put on that weren't signed to No Limit. What other Southerners were blowing up that weren't from Lousiana during No Limit's run?

In terms of the Fiend vs Magic thing. I'm telling you that this was a No Limit fan thing. Me mentioning X was an example meaning that X (or insert any artist that was hot here) brings the argument outside of the fan perspective.

 

[JustCKing]

and yea, lol @ c-murder not being a star. older people who dont even follow rap know about c-murd

That doesn't make him a star. Breh, there is literally a video in here of a Silkk and C-Murder interview. They introduce Silkk and listen to the crowd response. They introduce C-Murder and it is not the same.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

What mental gymnastics? Where did I ever say that No Limit got better promo? My point was that this whole notion of No Limit having "no promo" is bogus and that No Limit's marketing was GOAT and was better than pretty much every label out. They didn't need million dollar videos and big singles to push an album when every album promoted the next.

Kast was featured on one La Face compilation, Soul Food soundtrack, and Andre got one verse on a TLC album vs most of the No Limit roster being on every No Limit release with an ad for an upcoming album in the booklet. Huge difference.

Erykah Badu? I don't see how she helped anything being that they were selling records before anyone had even heard of her.

Outkast never benefited from being on La Face. Outkast and Goodie were their own thing. Babyface and LA pretty much nurtured all those R&B acts with writing and production or outsourced it to Jermaine Dupri. Outkast and Goodie had ONP, Mr. DJ or they produced it themselves.




Every label was not doing that. You never saw album covers for nearly an entire roster printed in the cd booklets like that.

Dungeon Family was not a label. Organized Noize had their own label deal and Kast had their own. The difference is none of these acts were all over each other's releases. They each got one song if that. You weren't going to hear Backbone all over a Goodie Mob or Last album. Breeze, Witchdoctor, Slim, and Killer Mike were only on like one song average. Compare that to P's albums where Ghetto D is more of a Silkk, Mystikal, and Fiend album as much as it is P's.

Breh, you can't say there was no Southern market and then claim that there wasn't artists with national buzz in the South BEFORE No Limit. That's ludicrous. You saying Face only moved the needle for Rap A Lot, but such is the case for P. I always ask what other Southerners did P put on that weren't signed to No Limit. What other Southerners were blowing up that weren't from Lousiana during No Limit's run?

In terms of the Fiend vs Magic thing. I'm telling you that this was a No Limit fan thing. Me mentioning X was an example meaning that X (or insert any artist that was hot here) brings the argument outside of the fan perspective.

WOW

so much of my post went str8 over your head.

as for the bolded, you cant tell me jack chit. YOUVE NEVER BEEN UP HERE. i just pointed out that people who didnt even like no limit that werent oblivious to it, would throw their two cents in those debates as well. and yet, youre still regurgitating the same un-informed arguments.

and youre acting like fiend & magic were d-listers on the label or something. they were each featured on a bunch of hit records and some enormous records. and they had their own lil joints as well.

theres a difference between having a national buzz for yourself and being a game-changer moving the needle. if you seriously cant see the difference, then you dont need to be arguing.
and chit, some of the names you be mentioning, were never even poppin nationally across the map to begin with.

a song on soul food, a verse on TLC's biggest album, goodie mob having a single centered around left eye, etc etc. those are all bigger looks than what no limit was doing.

la reid & babyface didnt have to be hands on with outkast's music. the bottom line is, outkast was apart of that realm of associates and they also had the machine behind them. add the fact that their music shared alot of the same qualities as a PM Dawn and especially arrested development - groups that were popular choices amongst the average laface listener, and BOOM there you have it. LOL. its not rocket science.

i cant tell if youre purposely talking away from the point or if you seriously never get IT.

That doesn't make him a star. Breh, there is literally a video in here of a Silkk and C-Murder interview. They introduce Silkk and listen to the crowd response. They introduce C-Murder and it is not the same.

here you go again, just like with that DMX chit.

i simply said that c-murder was a rap star.

just because he didnt out-pop Silkk the shocker, who was one of the 10 biggest rap stars at the time, it doesnt mean that c-murder wasnt a star in his own right.

 

[Gains]

out of car trunks

 

[JustCKing]

WOW

so much of my post went str8 over your head.

as for the bolded, you cant tell me jack chit. YOUVE NEVER BEEN UP HERE. i just pointed out that people who didnt even like no limit that werent oblivious to it, would throw their two cents in those debates as well. and yet, youre still regurgitating the same un-informed arguments.

and youre acting like fiend & magic were d-listers on the label or something. they were each featured on a bunch of hit records and some enormous records. and they had their own lil joints as well.

theres a difference between having a national buzz for yourself and being a game-changer moving the needle. if you seriously cant see the difference, then you dont need to be arguing.
and chit, some of the names you be mentioning, were never even poppin nationally across the map to begin with.

a song on soul food, a verse on TLC's biggest album, goodie mob having a single centered around left eye, etc etc. those are all bigger looks than what no limit was doing.

la reid & babyface didnt have to be hands on with outkast's music. the bottom line is, outkast was apart of that realm of associates and they also had the machine behind them. add the fact that their music shared alot of the same qualities as a PM Dawn and especially arrested development - groups that were popular choices amongst the average laface listener, and BOOM there you have it. LOL. its not rocket science.

i cant tell if youre purposely talking away from the point or if you seriously never get IT.

Breh, I don't have to be from up there. You are like the only person from up there who stans No Limit like that. This whole Fiend vs Magic argument is proof of that. Unless you were a No Limit fan, such arguments didn't exist. And no, Fiend and Magic were not D List No Limit artists, but in 1998, they were D Listers in regard to the rest of rap. They weren't being compared to anyone else outside of the tank.

Breh, Southern artists were game changers before No Limit stepped on the scene or even Kast. P stands on the shoulders of Southerners who made waves before him. The door was already opened, he ran through it. The most accurate assessment of No Limit in regard to The South is that before No Limit, The South ain't have an equivalent to a Bad Boy or Death Row. No Limit was that, but to say that No Limit put the South on the map or made The South viable is ludicrous.

Breh, OutKast was far from the realm of Toni, Usher, and TLC. All of them were R&B acts and Toni was adult contemporary. Babyface had songs on all of them. He and LA groomed them. And breh, please drop this dumb notion of Kast inheriting PM dawn and Arrested Development's base. "Playa's Ball" is the antithesis of what those groups were making. The Fugees, however did inherit the PM Dawn and Arrested Development base.

LOL. Again, as you have pointed out Kast was featured on ONE SONG on each of those projects. P, Silkk, Mystikal, Fiend, Mac, and a host of others were featured on multiple songs on No Limit albums.

here you go again, just like with that DMX chit.

i simply said that c-murder was a rap star.

just because he didnt out-pop Silkk the shocker, who was one of the 10 biggest rap stars at the time, it doesnt mean that c-murder wasnt a star in his own right.

C-Murder was not a star.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Breh, I don't have to be from up there. You are like the only person from up there who stans No Limit like that.

you dont be knowing what the f*ck you be talking bout most of the time.
you never been nowhere but you wanna tell me what was going on in my own yard. all for the sake of you trying to win a strawman argument.

altho, i dont know what you mean exactly, seeing how you referred to me as a Stan. smh. i stan for no man.

Breh, Southern artists were game changers before No Limit stepped on the scene or even Kast. P stands on the shoulders of Southerners who made waves before him. The door was already opened, he ran through it. The most accurate assessment of No Limit in regard to The South is that before No Limit, The South ain't have an equivalent to a Bad Boy or Death Row. No Limit was that, but to say that No Limit put the South on the map or made The South viable is ludicrous.

Breh, OutKast was far from the realm of Toni, Usher, and TLC. All of them were R&B acts and Toni was adult contemporary. Babyface had songs on all of them. He and LA groomed them. And breh, please drop this dumb notion of Kast inheriting PM dawn and Arrested Development's base. "Playa's Ball" is the antithesis of what those groups were making. The Fugees, however did inherit the PM Dawn and Arrested Development base.

LOL. Again, as you have pointed out Kast was featured on ONE SONG on each of those projects. P, Silkk, Mystikal, Fiend, Mac, and a host of others were featured on multiple songs on No Limit albums.

i never said no limit put the south on the map.
Luke/2 live crew put the south on the map. then geto boys came along and solidified it with music that got critical acclaim & such.
and then there were some acts that came in and saw national success afterwards.(some of the acts you be naming, didnt make the cut tho).

BUT we didnt give a f*ck about the southern scene as a whole until no limit came thru and blew that chit up. thats why P is credited the way that he is.
in YOUR eyes, it may not seem that way because youre from the south, so all of these guys are game-changers to you if they sold enough units to float your boat. this aint your call tho. stay in line. you cant tell us what moved our needle. stay in your place.

youre too stuck on content. i already broke down for you the similarities between outkast and arrested development, PM Dawn, digable planets, etc. they fit the mold sonically and even inherited their placements, especially as they got bigger. and i see youre side-stepping the part about LA Reid himself saying that he signed outkast because they reminded him of arrested development. thats how i know youre full of chit. i also noticed how all roads lead back to outkast with you. how did we even start talking about them in this thread.

appearing once on a TLC album or a soul food soundtrack, laface compilation, etc has a MUCH LONGER reach than appearing 3 times on a no limit album. a far longer reach. i think the real issue here is that youre running away from the fact that the bulk of outkast's sales came from outside of the core hip-hop audience. chit like that is why they got booed off stage at the source. not just cuz theyre from the south.

 

[JustCKing]

BUT we didnt give a f*ck about the southern scene as a whole until no limit came thru and blew that chit up. thats why P is credited the way that he is.
in YOUR eyes, it may not seem that way because youre from the south, so all of these guys are game-changers to you if they sold enough units to float your boat. this aint your call tho. stay in line. you cant tell us what moved our needle. stay in your place.

youre too stuck on content. i already broke down for you the similarities between outkast and arrested development, PM Dawn, digable planets, etc. they fit the mold sonically and even inherited their placements, especially as they got bigger. and i see youre side-stepping the part about LA Reid himself saying that he signed outkast because they reminded him of arrested development. thats how i know youre full of chit. i also noticed how all roads lead back to outkast with you. how did we even start talking about them in this thread.

appearing once on a TLC album or a soul food soundtrack, laface compilation, etc has a MUCH LONGER reach than appearing 3 times on a no limit album. a far longer reach. i think the real issue here is that youre running away from the fact that the bulk of outkast's sales came from outside of the core hip-hop audience. chit like that is why they got booed off stage at the source. not just cuz theyre from the south.

It does not matter whether you cared about the Southern scene until No Limit. That is completely irrelevant and no he is not credited as such. Nah, breh you need not speak kn things you know nothing about. You can't talk about Southern Hip Hop and act like you are an authority on it.

Breh, there are no similarities between PMDawn, Arrested Development and OutKast period. This thread isn't even about them anyway. Outkast was only mentioned and here you are bringing up the same old tired argument that you have been harping on for years.

A rap act appearing on a Soul Food soundtrack, a TLC album or a La Face Christmas compilation doesn't do anything. I mean Puff had a song on the same soundtrack and it also appears on No Way Out, but that song hardly made any noise and Puff was on fire at the time.

Breh, there is no way to prove where the bulk of Kast's sales came from. Kast did not get booed because of some bogus notion that they were not Hip Hop enough. That's ludicrous. Your whole crusade against them is two reasons:

1) They beat out Bone for that award at the same Source awards you're mentioning

2) They are held in much higher regard than No Limit

For those two reasons, you try to rewrite history and discredit them and big up Bone and No Limit whom you stan.

 

[Pimp]

If Wiki is stat padding

How the hell P managed to sell those albums and folks in the industry are letting it fly like that. His special comes out, and I am willing to bet they will announced/say the many albums that NL sold


P, Silkk, Mysikal, Snoop, the main stars on the label (and Snoop got their late in a sense), were selling that many records?? so how did they managed to sell over 100 million records when it all said and done? Who else albums were selling, Even with them selling 40 albums all combined (which I don't know) we are still 60 million albums short. B, C, & D acts had to be pulling their weight too?

Something aint adding up, and P been yelling he's hit 75-100 million records sold for a minute and haven't been called out by anybody with the fake numbers other then the coli brehs

Even 50 cents hadn't challenged P on his padding of the stats.

It's because he said SOLD WORLDWIDE. Like i think the Massacre sold 5m in the USA but it sold 10m worldwide..

 

[LJLYDK!]

THIS

but apparently its a conspiracy that master p concocted according to this board.

the coli is crazy.





i dont know about 700k but i could def see them going gold easy.

they were one of the first no limit artists that we knew up here, and had one of the big breakthrough singles. that video with master p was in like the top 5 on the rap city top 10. that was like unchartered waters back then.
same with young bleed and im sure he sold more than 700.







how old are you??

they pretty much peaked before snoop dropped anything over there.

snoop ran to them. not the other way around.

dudes is like 12 on this board.

I see this thread got the No limit stans mad as fukk

dUDeS iS lIKe 12 oN tHiS bOArD

 

[OHSNAP!]

Pushing 400-700k isn't considered in a tier with no video/radio single?

I would even put Youngbleed in a tier with C if we looking at numbers...His album was well received, especially with the single How you do that

Mr. Marcelo did well, going by what he stated in his interview, he said he hit 300k (I wanna say he said more) and had only one video... Fiend did really well too

Krazy, before he got signed to NL mentioned in an interview that his album sold 75k, folks gotta realize numbers back then were being met, easily especially with the independent labels

Mr. Serv-On jumped out the gate in his first week selling from Life Insurance

Not you, but folks are trying to downplay NL sales. They pretty much had the best roster in the game, outside of CMR, maybe

Yeah I forgot about Serv and Bleed (on the Mac/Magic status)

 

[OHSNAP!]

It does not matter whether you cared about the Southern scene until No Limit. That is completely irrelevant and no he is not credited as such. Nah, breh you need not speak kn things you know nothing about. You can't talk about Southern Hip Hop and act like you are an authority on it.

Breh, there are no similarities between PMDawn, Arrested Development and OutKast period. This thread isn't even about them anyway. Outkast was only mentioned and here you are bringing up the same old tired argument that you have been harping on for years.

A rap act appearing on a Soul Food soundtrack, a TLC album or a La Face Christmas compilation doesn't do anything. I mean Puff had a song on the same soundtrack and it also appears on No Way Out, but that song hardly made any noise and Puff was on fire at the time.

Breh, there is no way to prove where the bulk of Kast's sales came from. Kast did not get booed because of some bogus notion that they were not Hip Hop enough. That's ludicrous. Your whole crusade against them is two reasons:

1) They beat out Bone for that award at the same Source awards you're mentioning

2) They are held in much higher regard than No Limit

For those two reasons, you try to rewrite history and discredit them and big up Bone and No Limit whom you stan.

He does have a point about a big soundtrack appearance being higher-profile than being featured on 3 NL albums (non-top acts). More eyes and ears on a platinum+ blockbuster/film OST is always great. NL did appear on Nothing To Lose, How To Be A Player etc in 97 too tho

 

[JustCKing]

He does have a point about a big soundtrack appearance being higher-profile than being featured on 3 NL albums (non-top acts). More eyes and ears on a platinum+ blockbuster/film OST is always great. NL did appear on Nothing To Lose, How To Be A Player etc in 97 too tho

My point with that is the Soul Food soundtrack was mainly an R&B affair with a couple of rap songs tacked on. Still, Ghetto D sold about the same if not more than that soundtrack and featured the entire roster with all of them having ads in the album.

In regard to soundtracks, P and Silkk were also on the Scream 2 soundtrack.