Ayo.... How Did No Limit Sell So Many Records?

[Playaz Eyez]

None of No limit stuff during that time was wack

No Limit 97-98 was pure heat from the big artists like P, Silkk, Mac, Slim, Mystikal etc to the lesser artists like Gambino Family, Prime Suspects and Ghetto Commission. BBTP were pumping out a lot of standout stuff and were making some artists you would probably have never listened to more than listenable. The wack NL stuff was from most of 99 and on, when it’s pretty much common knowledge everybody was going off the rails. Only NL releases I remember liking were Da Next Level from Mr. Serv-On, MAC and Magic. NL Top Dogg was good, but was the “worst” NL album from the 3 Snoop released. No Limit 97-98 is unslanderable.

 

[Pimp]

Yes, gold.

Lots of people went gold in the '90s when everybody was selling records.

But he was not a superstar while Pac was alive.

I remember. I was there when "Ice Cream Man" came out.

He had a hit that sold.

But '97 is when No Limit went nuclear and blew the fukk up.

In the 90s it was hard to go gold. Do you realize ice cream man went platinum before reasonable doubt.. let that sink in. All the so called classic cds were gold. Raekwon went gold, mobb deep gold, illmatic gold, reasonable doubt gold.. This nikka went platinum before pac died.. I remember 2 pac hosting a countdown and ice cream man was in the top 10..

 

[oO J Smooth Oo]

Can somebody elaborate more on the significance of this barcode shyt? NL was huge in 97-98 if you were too young to experience that then you shouldn't dispute the figures.

 

[JustCKing]

Can somebody elaborate more on the significance of this barcode shyt? NL was huge in 97-98 if you were too young to experience that then you shouldn't dispute the figures.

They weren't using the same barcodes. What No Limit did was a common practice with labels where labels buy albums in bulk. So what do they do with the albums? These end up being given out as freebies during promo runs. Like, they do a stop at a late night talk show and the audience gets copies.

 

[Asicz]

Master P 1998 nytimes article


How a Gangsta Rapper Turns Entrepreneur; At 28, Master P Has Created One Of the Biggest Independent Labels
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[JustCKing]

In the 90s it was hard to go gold. Do you realize ice cream man went platinum before reasonable doubt.. let that sink in. All the so called classic cds were gold. Raekwon went gold, mobb deep gold, illmatic gold, reasonable doubt gold.. This nikka went platinum before pac died.. I remember 2 pac hosting a countdown and ice cream man was in the top 10..

Master P wasn't platinum before Pac died. Ice Cream Man did not go platinum until 2002. I was a member of Nolimitsoldiers.com when it happened. I remember the thread "Master P album went platinum" and everybody thought Game Face went platinum, but it was a link to Ice Cream Man being certified platinum.

 

[FukyourFort]

i was in Canada in the 4th grade listening to Silk the shocker. His flow was so trash that i copped the album.

"It aint my fault!" i don't even remember another track off that album.

Not going to lie, I fukked with No limit albums because they had the illest covers. Some of them were white and shyt. as a kid that pleased me

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Speaking as an NC cat...that shyt was enormous down here. No Limit really was a massive movement in the South.

Everyone was buying those albums every time they dropped.

I don't know if it'll ever be understood by cats not from the South. But if you were beyond elementary school when No Limit was popping, and you were in the south...you knew what time it was. I haven't listened to ANY of those albums in years, but I bought every No Limit album that dropped in that '95-'97 time period.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Yes, gold.
Lots of people went gold in the '90s when everybody was selling records.
But he was not a superstar while Pac was alive.
I remember. I was there when "Ice Cream Man" came out.
He had a hit that sold.
But '97 is when No Limit went nuclear and blew the fukk up.

THIS IS STUPID. especially when youre using 2pac as some sort of blocker.

it took 2pac 4 albums and 5 years to go platinum, with a huge machine pushing him.
but master p is supposed to go quadruple platinum out the gate off an indie album with one semi-pushed single??

of course no limit went nuclear once they got more of their stuff out there and dropped big hit after hit. hence, the reason why they had next and not these other labels that youre trying to gas up in this thread(suave house, rap-a-lot).

alot of you dudes tend to shy away from logic and ride off of sheer emotion depending on whether you like the artist or not.

Uh, J. Prince & Tony Draper would like a word with you.
The Geto Boys were controversial and getting banned back in 1990 and going platinum in 1991.
Master P was associated with Richmond California at first

alot of you dudes on here dont even attempt to comprehend peoples' posts before you start arguing with them.

i never said no limit were the1st to blow up out of the south. i said they were the ones who blew the southern market up as a whole. TWO DIFFERENT THINGS and i made it pretty clear multiple times in this thread already. im tired of having to repeat myself like this is special ed.

im prolly the one who brought the geto boys up. yes, they were big nationally, but they didnt move the needle for the rest of the south, or even the rest of the label. rap-a-lot was never a big movement across the map. the success of the geto boys didnt carry over to the other acts on the label having national reach, let alone the rest of the south. BIG DIFFERENCE.

the fact that you even tried to bring up suave house, proves that you just dont get IT.
and then you bring up that no limit was based in richmond first. LOL. was it based in richmond when it blew up?? who gives a f*ck?? again, you dont get it.

So what L.A. Reid thought they reminded him of Arrested Development
Jimmy Iovine listened to Dr. Dre's The Chronic & said that it reminded him of The Rolling Stones.
But you wouldn't say that fukkin' "Dre Day" sounds like "Start Me Up" would you?
Old people do that.
They try to look for similarities with new music with the older music that they like.
It's not fukkin' rocket science, B.
L.A. Reid has gone on record saying he doesn't really like Hip-Hop and didn't get it, so he's not some authority on what's Hip-Hop & what's not.
Fact is nobody in Hip-Hop in 1994-1996 was comparing Outkast to Arrested Development, The Fugees, Digable Planets, and PM Dawn.

again, im tired of having to repeat myself on here.

the bolded is the problem. you dudes are too much into hip-hop. CLEARLY, im not talking about hip-hop fans if im citing the fanbases of arrested development, PM Dawn and to a lesser degree - the fugees. COME ON MAN. USE SOME CONTEXT CLUES OR SOMETHING.

like i said, they always appealed to the easy-groove sector or r&b fans from day one and were marketed towards them. if youre not aware of this or not exposed to these types of fans like that, then you dudes shouldnt be arguing.

arrested development wasnt an old group. they were red hot at their peak when LA Reid signed outkast.
in fact, when they were poppin, i used to assume that arrested development were on Laface until i heard the album & looked thru the booklet.
then next thing you know, laface actually does put out a rap group and here they are, outkast. similar vibes. it doesnt matter what theyre rapping about. i can play their album back-to-back with alot of AD's stuff and keep the same vibe. and lets not act like they were straight-forward with the pimp content. they were playful & subliminal with it to the point where your average casual fan didnt even pick up on it.
they were more like the fugees & digable planets in the sense that they were still marketed to the rap crowd just as much as the outsiders. but the outsiders were already there from day one. YALL just werent up on it. thats a personal problem. and ima leave it at that.

Aight, breh... you got it.

Outkast the same vibe as Babyface... I hear that... I can safely say I will neverbe in any environment, no matter the crowd, or even at home where I play an Outkast song and got it in the same space as any song by Babyface or Toni Braxton or no shyt like that...

youre the one who prolly does get it, but youre an outkast fan, so youre gonna beat around the bush with posts like this.

but my post above makes it too clear for you to play your gay games of the mind. enjoy.

Clearly, you weren't into The South like you say you were. In the 90's, all of these coasts were regional with some acts who went national. Hip Hop was still very regional.

Breh, you're the one making a mountain of a mile hill as usual. This thread had absolutely NOTHING to do with Outkast. They were mentioned in passing, yet here you go again with more BS dismissing Kast.

there were alot more regional acts signed to majors back then, yes.

but the west coast scene's presence as a whole was not regional. if you cant see the different betwwen them and the south before no limit records, then you should just delete your account and find a new hobby.

YOURE THE ONE that brought up outkast out of nowhere - AS USUAL. and you keep pushing this chit on me, even after i told you repeatedly that im not in here to argue about no f*ckin outkast.

you dont want me responding to whatever bullchit props you try to give them, then dont try that chit in a thread that im already in. it aint nothing personal against outkast. i call a spade on everybody. thats my schtick.

im not even the only one that put you in your place about outkast. its usually other posters doing the bulk of the work, and theyre usually from the south.

It wouldn't matter anyway, that whole "older people who don't follow Hip Hop" premise he used to validate C-Murder's stardom is the same one he uses to discredit OutKast. So I guess elderly Black folk who had copies of Babyface's For The Cool In You were anticipating C-Murder's Life or Death.

what the f*ck are you talking about??

you dont even attempt to comprehend what im saying before you argue, do you?? just throw some chit at the wall, and hope theres a couple other people arguing with me that will back you up.

im getting too old for this stupid chit.

 

[BO BARON]

Its funny how you'll always like clock work make these threads at least once or twice a yr & that go for pages & pages about how did no limit sale so many records with all them wack rappers & wack music

Ask yourself what is the difference between trick daddy & master p ability wise, ghetto d & the last don >>>>>> thugs holiday & www.thug.com or at least theyre comparable musically & impact wise

Or the whole no limit roster & the hypnotize minds & cash money rosters even the less successful & unknown artist from no limit like skull duggrey, mr magic & big ed are better then some of them rappers

None of them hypnotize minds rappers were good outside the women & mia x shyts on all them broads lyrically

If anything the no limit roster was far more talented & probably one of most talented ever if you look at the diverse styles & spitters as opposed to the different artist that became popular during those yrs & thats without adding on snoop

Like if mia x, mystikal, c murder, serv on, fiend, master p, mac, sillk, soulja slim even the individual producers all were individual artist & producers on other individual label's i can see the same success

Didnt klc produce move bytch by ludicris???

Them beats by the pound dudes was truly talented.

P was already selling 100,000 to 300,000 in the bay with no labels in 95 with a whole other different sound & style

Even sillks the shocker album sold a good amount of units in 96 off the strength of what they was doing in the bay

Its really not hard to understand how p parlayed his bay area success into the southern boom & sold all those records in 1 whop he had both markets basically cornered & you know alot other cities & states was loving that no limit shyt during that period

Too short & e40 were considered totally garbage by many especially on the east coast & they were going platinum & hardly left the bay

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

Can somebody elaborate more on the significance of this barcode shyt? NL was huge in 97-98 if you were too young to experience that then you shouldn't dispute the figures.

Barcode system is fake and makes no sense.. Never did

Ok I got a store and there's 10 cds in there. I sell Master P's copies.. Then there is a jay-z album there. When people buy it, I really scan the master p album... Ok cool


Now how in the fukk many times would stores need to be doing this to come up with even 50000k in extra sales? 100k... 250k... That's a lot of fukking mom and pop stores with a lot of sales. That's a lot of payoffs. That's a lot of missing sales for other artists.. Who's music is gone off the shelf but no barcode was ever sold as scanned. This is definitely a problem when RIAA counts shipped minus returns... So they shipped 500k and sold them all... But jay-z shipped 500k, got jerked out of 150k of those that was scanned as Master P, yet the numbers don't reflect that in returns nor sales..........


I could go on forever. What happened is they was probably over shipping and then using shipped numbers as sold numbers... Or like other dude said, flat out buying in bulk. That scanning shyt doesn't make any natural sense

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

this place is bizarre

so now we're saying that snoop carried no limit.

and no limit sold because they had help from f*ckin Pimp C??

weirdos.

Its funny how you'll always like clock work make these threads at least once or twice a yr & that go for pages & pages about how did no limit sale so many records with all them wack rappers & wack music

Ask yourself what is the difference between trick daddy & master p ability wise, ghetto d & the last don >>>>>> thugs holiday & www.thug.com or at least theyre comparable musically & impact wise

Or the whole no limit roster & the hypnotize minds & cash money rosters even the less successful & unknown artist from no limit like skull duggrey, mr magic & big ed are better then some of them rappers

None of them hypnotize minds rappers were good outside the women & mia x shyts on all them broads lyrically

If anything the no limit roster was far more talented & probably one of most talented ever if you look at the diverse styles & spitters as opposed to the different artist that became popular during those yrs & thats without adding on snoop

yep

but thats coli counter-culture and internet revisionism. these dudes are on that type of time on here.

theres another thread where theyre saying that project pat dropped a better album than 400 degreez.

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

In the 90s it was hard to go gold. Do you realize ice cream man went platinum before reasonable doubt.. let that sink in. All the so called classic cds were gold. Raekwon went gold, mobb deep gold, illmatic gold, reasonable doubt gold.. This nikka went platinum before pac died.. I remember 2 pac hosting a countdown and ice cream man was in the top 10..

It was not hard to go gold in the '90s.

Rappers were going gold in 2 weeks in the '90s.

It was hard for EAST COAST rappers to go gold in the '90s.

Too Short, Spice 1, E-40, Bone Thugs, Da Brat, Snoop, Dre, Ice Cube, Ice-T, 2pac, Scarface, The Geto Boys, Outkast, an tons of others had ZERO problem going gold and platinum

THIS IS STUPID. especially when youre using 2pac as some sort of blocker.

it took 2pac 4 albums and 5 years to go platinum, with a huge machine pushing him.
but master p is supposed to go quadruple platinum out the gate off an indie album with one semi-pushed single??

of course no limit went nuclear once they got more of their stuff out there and dropped big hit after hit. hence, the reason why they had next and not these other labels that youre trying to gas up in this thread(suave house, rap-a-lot).

alot of you dudes tend to shy away from logic and ride off of sheer emotion depending on whether you like the artist or not.





alot of you dudes on here dont even attempt to comprehend peoples' posts before you start arguing with them.

i never said no limit were the1st to blow up out of the south. i said they were the ones who blew the southern market up as a whole. TWO DIFFERENT THINGS and i made it pretty clear multiple times in this thread already. im tired of having to repeat myself like this is special ed.

im prolly the one who brought the geto boys up. yes, they were big nationally, but they didnt move the needle for the rest of the south, or even the rest of the label. rap-a-lot was never a big movement across the map. the success of the geto boys didnt carry over to the other acts on the label having national reach, let alone the rest of the south. BIG DIFFERENCE.

the fact that you even tried to bring up suave house, proves that you just dont get IT.
and then you bring up that no limit was based in richmond first. LOL. was it based in richmond when it blew up?? who gives a f*ck?? again, you dont get it.





again, im tired of having to repeat myself on here.

the bolded is the problem. you dudes are too much into hip-hop. CLEARLY, im not talking about hip-hop fans if im citing the fanbases of arrested development, PM Dawn and to a lesser degree - the fugees. COME ON MAN. USE SOME CONTEXT CLUES OR SOMETHING.

like i said, they always appealed to the easy-groove sector or r&b fans from day one and were marketed towards them. if youre not aware of this or not exposed to these types of fans like that, then you dudes shouldnt be arguing.

arrested development wasnt an old group. they were red hot at their peak when LA Reid signed outkast.
in fact, when they were poppin, i used to assume that arrested development were on Laface until i heard the album & looked thru the booklet.
then next thing you know, laface actually does put out a rap group and here they are, outkast. similar vibes. it doesnt matter what theyre rapping about. i can play their album back-to-back with alot of AD's stuff and keep the same vibe. and lets not act like they were straight-forward with the pimp content. they were playful & subliminal with it to the point where your average casual fan didnt even pick up on it.
they were more like the fugees & digable planets in the sense that they were still marketed to the rap crowd just as much as the outsiders. but the outsiders were already there from day one. YALL just werent up on it. thats a personal problem. and ima leave it at that.







youre the one who prolly does get it, but youre an outkast fan, so youre gonna beat around the bush with posts like this.

but my post above makes it too clear for you to play your gay games of the mind. enjoy.





there were alot more regional acts signed to majors back then, yes.

but the west coast scene's presence as a whole was not regional. if you cant see the different betwwen them and the south before no limit records, then you should just delete your account and find a new hobby.

YOURE THE ONE that brought up outkast out of nowhere - AS USUAL. and you keep pushing this chit on me, even after i told you repeatedly that im not in here to argue about no f*ckin outkast.

you dont want me responding to whatever bullchit props you try to give them, then dont try that chit in a thread that im already in. it aint nothing personal against outkast. i call a spade on everybody. thats my schtick.

im not even the only one that put you in your place about outkast. its usually other posters doing the bulk of the work, and theyre usually from the south.





what the f*ck are you talking about??

you dont even attempt to comprehend what im saying before you argue, do you?? just throw some chit at the wall, and hope theres a couple other people arguing with me that will back you up.

im getting too old for this stupid chit.

Dude, your post is so awful, I don't even know where to start.

1. It did not take 2pac 4 albums & 5 years to go platinum.

Strictly 4 My nikkaz, Me Against The World, and All Eyez on me are his 2nd, 3rd, and 4th albums and they were ALL Platinum.

Me Against The World was the no.1 album in America for a month, while Pac was in prison, dummy. That was his 3rd album, 3 years into his career.

2. I liked No Limit in the fukkin' 90s dummy. I admitted that. Nobody's trying to discredit P. I bought the fukking records.

But The Geto Boys & J.. Prince opened up the Southern market.

They were platinum in 1992, genius. They were going gold & Platinum REGULARLY.

Scarface, Willie D, Bushwick Bill, Big Mike, and tons of others on Rap-A-Lot were either gold, platinum, or close to gold or platinum.

3. Dude, Outkast's 1st album was called "Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik" and you're saying they were "subtle" with the pimp shyt?

All their videos and songs were OVERTLY ABOUT BEING PLAYERS & PIMPS.

The first song is called "Player's Ball" for fukk sake

There was nothing remotely "alternative" about the 1st incarnation of Outkast.

They were not performing at "Lollapalooza" or any of the White alternative type concerts.

You know who was? Arrested Development, The Beastie Boys, A Tribe Called Quest, Cypress Hill, The Pharcyde, Fugees, and groups like that.

You' be better off arguing that Cypress Hill was closer to Arrested Development than Outkast.

Outkast was exclusively SOUTHERN hardcore Hip-Hop rap group in '94/'95.

The Goodie Mob was closer to what you're talking about than Outkast, because they did more of the conscious rap and didn't talk as much about pimpin', playa type shyt.

 

[god shamgod]

Them nikkas were a movement in ‘98, I remember vividly no limit was runnin the rap game along with dmx. They had their own style with dope production and dropped multiple albums every month that’s how they sold mad records

master p ice cream man album is what put him on the map nationally.then ghetto d is how he blew ice cream man was ‘96 & ghetto d late ‘97 and he carried the momentum into ‘98 when no limit blew but they fell off pretty quick like by mid/late ‘00 they were done cash money took over

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

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Dude, your post is so awful, I don't even know where to start.
1. It did not take 2pac 4 albums & 5 years to go platinum.
Strictly 4 My nikkaz, Me Against The World, and All Eyez on me are his 2nd, 3rd, and 4th albums and they were ALL Platinum.
Me Against The World was the no.1 album in America for a month, while Pac was in prison, dummy. That was his 3rd album, 3 years into his career.

2. I liked No Limit in the fukkin' 90s dummy. I admitted that. Nobody's trying to discredit P. I bought the fukking records.
But The Geto Boys & J.. Prince opened up the Southern market.
They were platinum in 1992, genius. They were going gold & Platinum REGULARLY.
Scarface, Willie D, Bushwick Bill, Big Mike, and tons of others on Rap-A-Lot were either gold, platinum, or close to gold or platinum.

3. Dude, Outkast's 1st album was called "Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik" and you're saying they were "subtle" with the pimp shyt?
All their videos and songs were OVERTLY ABOUT BEING PLAYERS & PIMPS.
The first song is called "Player's Ball" for fukk sake
There was nothing remotely "alternative" about the 1st incarnation of Outkast.
They were not performing at "Lollapalooza" or any of the White alternative type concerts.
You know who was? Arrested Development, The Beastie Boys, A Tribe Called Quest, Cypress Hill, The Pharcyde, Fugees, and groups like that.
You' be better off arguing that Cypress Hill was closer to Arrested Development than Outkast.
Outkast was exclusively SOUTHERN hardcore Hip-Hop rap group in '94/'95.
The Goodie Mob was closer to what you're talking about than Outkast, because they did more of the conscious rap and didn't talk as much about pimpin', playa type shyt.

3. youre completely missing the point with the outkast chit. the fact that you tried to say cypress hill is closer to arrested development says it all. GO SITDOWN MAN. im clearly talking over your head. like i said you dudes are too stuck on rap, with little awareness outside of that bubble.
and btw, you list tribe and pharcyde as alternatives, but outkast was heavily influenced by tribe and the west coast backpackish groups like pharcyde.

2, AGAIN theres a difference between being successful and opening up the market. you can be a gold or platinum artist with your own fanbase but that doesnt mean that youre causing a domino effect and opening up the floodgates for other artists. geto boys didnt even open up the floodgates for the rest of their label. you didnt even attempt to name one member on rap-a-lot that wasnt in the geto boys. and truth be told, none of those solo albums were big nationally except the scarface stuff.

and they werent even the first platinum/gold artists out the south. Luke Records put the south on the map, not rap-a-lot. but i see youre hell-bent on not acknowledging them.

1. get your facts together,
strictly didnt go platinum until '95, same time MATW came out and was going plat. mightve got the plaques issued at the same dam time,
and youre skipping over the thug life album.
like i said, year 5(year 6 if you count digital) and thats when he got his first plaque. off the 4th release.