avon barksdale from the wire appreciation thread

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Stringer like avon told him in season 3, had some skills but his inability to fully understand the streets continued to come back and bite him. That 1st mistake was just followed by a laundry list of mistakes stringer would make that avon would never make.
Definitely agree. When I was younger I used to be in the "Stringer was a genius/visionary" camp like most fans of The Wire but now I realize Avon was the better 'player' by far.

I guess Stringer might have been smarter in the IQ sense of the word, though even that is debatable, but Avon understood the world, other people, and himself far better than Stringer did. It's funny cause Stringer was supposed to be the level headed guy and Avon the loose cannon but Stringer was just as guilty of acting impulsively as Avon, if not even more so. And throughout S3 he accuses of "playing at war" and wanting to kill Marlo just because of his ego, and then the first thing he does when Clay Davis ruins his "playing at real estate" fantasy and is try to kill him because of his ego.:heh:

Avon is a character straight out of Machiavelli's The Prince, to the point where I honestly believe the writers had the book open when they were writing his plot. And out of the 3 princes(Avon, Marlo and Prop Joe) he was the best.

He was "both a lion and a fox" and also the optimum mix of humanity and inhumanity.

- Marlo was too psychopathic(a lion), too inhuman. He didn't understand that just because the drug game is illegal, that doesn't mean there aren't any rules. And that you can't muscle everybody because sooner or later everybody is going to turn against you. Marlo's blood lust and paranoia would have caused him to self destruct even if the cops hadn't gotten to him.
- Joe was too much of a schemer(a fox) and too human. His fundamental human need for community and cooperation, even in a game as depraved as drug dealing, blinded him too the fact that there are some people(like Marlo) who are straight predators and have no need for community, don't understand reason and can't be fooled by your schemes because they're too power hungry to care, even if you appeal to their best interest.

Avon was the only one who understood that "laws come naturally to men and force comes naturally to beasts" and knew how and when to be both. He knew when you have to use force and when you have to cooperate, he pursued his ambitions but also understood that there are things greater than any one man which must be respected(the Sunday truce, giving money to Cutty's gym to help the community), when to be ruthless(witnesses, Omar's people) and when to be merciful(letting Cutty go despite the fact that he was a bad investment).
 
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You fukking idiot, the fukk you talking bout finally? :what::snoop:

nikka everybody loves Avon but you just being biased and think everything is Stringer's fault.

i said finally someone sees what i'm talkin' bout in regards to what @threattonature quoted from my post and then what he said in response to my post up above
you just ramblin' and not makin' hardly any sense, bruh :mjlol:

you keep respondin' back to this thread in incoherent as fukk when clearly i'v explained what it is i'm talkin' about:dahell:

either you ain't readin' my responses or you just trollin' :pachaha:

either way, i'm done goin' back and forth. this has gotten old :snooze:
 
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i said finally someone sees what i'm talkin' bout in regards to what @threattonature quoted from my post and then what he said in response to my post up above
you just ramblin' and not makin' hardly any sense, bruh :mjlol:

you keep respondin' back to this thread in incoherent as fukk when clearly i'v explained what it is i'm talkin' about:dahell:

either you ain't readin' my responses or you just trollin' :pachaha:

either way, i'm done goin' back and forth. this has gotten old :snooze:

I see you just like a parrot just repeating words you hear like "incoherent" because you clearly don't know what it means.
 

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No you're wrong, the show clearly showed that Avon and Stringer needed each other. They both had valid points. Anyway, wtf you talking about Stringer sending Wee-Bey, Savino, and Little Man (not Stinkum, he's dead at this point) to rob an undercover? :mindblown: First of all, I'm sure BOTH of them were in on sending them, like most things, they're partners. They sent them to kill Orlando who they figured out was snitching from well, common sense. They knew nothing about there being an undercover cop with him in the car, how were they supposed to? You act as if Stringer is supposed to be omnipotent, Avon was as much at fault for that as Stringer. You clearly just have a bias against Stringer and don't know wtf you're talking about so:camby:.

When Orlando was in jail, a Barksdale got on the phone and told someone Orlando got booked. Thats why the lawyer visited Orlando and didn't offer any help other than to immediately cut off the ties Orlando had with the club. No one bailed him out, the crew knew Orlando was caught trying to buy drugs.

I believe that both Avon and Stringer ordered the hit, but Avon was pissed because it was done sloppily. They wanted to catch Orlando alone, so as soon as they saw Orlando with a bytch, they should've known to "switch it up" and get Orlando another day.

What Avon scolded String about was Stringer not only put the hit on Orlando, he told the guys to ALSO TAKE THE MONEY. Avon argued that everyone knew Orlando was locked up, and with no one paying his bail, it was obvious that Orlando was working with feds. Furthermore, Avon mentions that there's no way fakkit ass Orlando could buy any drugs, especially after just getting out of prison, so String should've KNOWN that he was going to be making off with cop money.

fukk that fakkit Orlando.
 

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When Orlando was in jail, a Barksdale got on the phone and told someone Orlando got booked. Thats why the lawyer visited Orlando and didn't offer any help other than to immediately cut off the ties Orlando had with the club. No one bailed him out, the crew knew Orlando was caught trying to buy drugs.

I believe that both Avon and Stringer ordered the hit, but Avon was pissed because it was done sloppily. They wanted to catch Orlando alone, so as soon as they saw Orlando with a bytch, they should've known to "switch it up" and get Orlando another day.

What Avon scolded String about was Stringer not only put the hit on Orlando, he told the guys to ALSO TAKE THE MONEY. Avon argued that everyone knew Orlando was locked up, and with no one paying his bail, it was obvious that Orlando was working with feds. Furthermore, Avon mentions that there's no way fakkit ass Orlando could buy any drugs, especially after just getting out of prison, so String should've KNOWN that he was going to be making off with cop money.

fukk that fakkit Orlando.

the orlando hit was all stringer brehs

this was after omar almost killed avon, and stringer had the whole "we have to build a wall around you" mentality to protect him


cant find the clip on youtube but avon was pissed at stringer when they discussed the aftermath... as if string shouldntve ok'ed the hit in the first place
 

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fukk what yall talking Donut was that nikka

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Pulled up flexing :wow: remember that nikkas stole a X5 too and helped prezo goofy ass
 

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Avon was my favorite character on the show. Every time he showed up he kicked some knowledge on the low. He also commanded respect without needing to terrorize everyone like Marlo. Even tho Season 4 was one of the best things ever put on television, I still prefer season 3 due to Avon :yeshrug:
 
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