At least 280 killed in inter-communal clashes in Central African Republic

[Sinnerman]

what's the AU doing about this?

 

[theworldismine13]

Their colonial masters had to come in and save them. Like a bunch of children.

yeah, that was my same thought too, the AU needs to get their shyt together and start handling things like this

 

[Sinnerman]

between the kenya mall incident and this, the AU is seeming pretty worthless

edit: Although I can agree with parts of the posts below

 

[theworldismine13]

between the kenya mall incident and this, the AU is seeming pretty worthless

well the kenya mall incident is kenya's responsibility but stuff like this or like in Mali it has to be handled multinationally which is where the AU should step in

 

[88m3]

@mbewane @Liu Kang and some others were talking about it when it first started to boil I think one them said they were from there as well.


btw

Hollande et Sarkozy ont pris deux avions différents pour aller aux obsèques de Mandela. Incapables de jouer aux adultes; même pas pour aller dire au revoir à celui qui donne tout son sens aux mots pardon, réconciliation nationale, HAUTEUR POLITIQUE

... Ça craint du boudin !!!

 

[88m3]

well the kenya mall incident is kenya's responsibility but stuff like this or like in Mali it has to be handled multinationally which is where the AU should step in

AU is being ferried in by US cargo planes, it was reported last night.

between the kenya mall incident and this, the AU is seeming pretty worthless

Kenya is a force in it's own right, I think Mali went really well.

The problem with the AU is the politicians.

 

[theworldismine13]

AU is being ferried in by US cargo planes, it was reported last night.

Kenya is a force in it's own right, I think Mali went really well.

The problem with the AU is the politicians.

that's fine, but its US planes tho. we need AU cargo planes and its being coordinated through the UN instead of being coordinated through the AU

i agree Mali went well, but that was still europeans/americans taking the lead there

the problem with the AU is it that it mostly exists on paper

 

[88m3]

that's fine, but its US planes tho. we need AU cargo planes and its being coordinated through the UN instead of being coordinated through the AU

i agree Mali went well, but that was still europeans/americans taking the lead there

the problem with the AU is it that it mostly exists on paper

I don't see why that matters right now. The end result it what matters. Yeah, in a perfect world they would have their own cargo planes and xyz.

Again the end result. There were African peace keepers involved in Mali, more than there were French.

I don't think the later is true at all.

 

[theworldismine13]

I don't see why that matters right now. The end result it what matters. Yeah, in a perfect world they would have their own cargo planes and xyz.

Again the end result. There were African peace keepers involved in Mali, more than there were French.

I don't think the later is true at all.

as far as the situation right at this moment, it doesn't matter

as far as the future it matters a whole lot, the reason why they are using US cargo planes is because african countries do not have cargo planes, in Mali the peacekeepers were african but all the logistics and heavy firepower and all the air power was european and american

but in fairness good examples of african countries getting together is what happened in sierra leone, liberia and ivroty coast, in those countries democracy was restored mostly with african troops and african coordination but that wasnt the AU, that was west african countries getting together

 

[88m3]

as far as the situation right at this moment, it doesn't matter

as far as the future it matters a whole lot, the reason why they are using US cargo planes is because african countries do not have cargo planes, in Mali the peacekeepers were african but all the logistics and heavy firepower and all the air power was european and american

but in fairness good examples of african countries getting together is what happened in sierra leone, liberia and ivroty coast, in those countries democracy was restored mostly with african troops and african coordination but that wasnt the AU, that was west african countries getting together

Maybe if Africa's leaders weren't a bunch of corrupt murdering scumbags they could get things accomplished on their own.

I still can't get over the fact most of them are on the run from icc warrants.
also
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...n-weeds-in-kabul-after-486-million-spent.html




Yeah, I believe the UN was involved in those though. Are you fine with that?

I had read the AU was doing well in Somalia but the story changes by the day.

 

[Liu Kang]

Their colonial masters had to come in and save them. Like a bunch of children.

Is it a bad thing for France to intervene though ?
I'd have France helping CAR on some Françafrique stuff rather than witnessing another ethnic war or worse, another genocide...

[...]

[...]

Anybody know the fate of the bare chested dude ?

[...]Hollande et Sarkozy ont pris deux avions différents pour aller aux obsèques de Mandela. Incapables de jouer aux adultes; même pas pour aller dire au revoir à celui qui donne tout son sens aux mots pardon, réconciliation nationale, HAUTEUR POLITIQUE

... Ça craint du boudin !!!

Hollande invited Sarkozy to go to SA. He didn't have to. But yeah, the symbol isn't really great nonetheless.

 

[Chris.B]

But this has nothing to do with Islam--HL Islam apologists

 

[mbewane]

Killing each other....over Caucasian religions. SMH.

They got levels to this internal conflict streets shyt is fukked up. Nothing sadder than Africans killing each other over religion.

Is all this seriously just cuz the Christian leader was deposed and a Muslim leader was put in place? It's gotta be lots of elements fueling all these killing sprees.

Unfortunately most of the world is catching up with this conflict just now, but it's really just the latest (and biggest) outburst of violence in many years. No, it's not originally over religion. Here's the deal: There are about 80 % christians in CAR, and 10 % muslims. Over the 60+ years of political chaos/poverty/whatever you want to call it in CAR, religion has NEVER, repeat, NEVER been an issue. It wasn't an issue as early as two years ago. We've had countless coup d'états, rebellions etc but it has NEVER been along religious lines. Granted, you've always had tensions in the North over land but the country is big enough (think France+Belgium) and underpopulated (4.5 mil) so that there's enough space for everybody.

What changed? Seleka the makeshift conglomerate of rebels, mercenaries, etc. who took power in March. It just so happens that the majority of Seleka are muslims, including Chadians and Sudanese people who don't even speak any local language. It also just so happens that when they were marching on Bangui they were pillaging, killing and raping nearly everyone, EXCEPT Muslims. So obviously at some point other centralafricans understood what was going on. Add to that that they were starting to impose bans on pork for example and stuff like that, and you understand where the religious aspect of the conflict comes from. It's not "right" to say that the "anti-balaka" groups are "Christians", they're originally just random people who wanted to protect their villages from assaillants. It's not like it's some of organized christian aarmy or whatever.

To make it clear: Seleka's actions is wha led to the religious aspect of the conflict, nothing else. People didn't even care taht much about religion there, but when foreign troops come into town and use religion as a tool, people are gonna react.

Their colonial masters had to come in and save them. Like a bunch of children.

I'd rather have them than...no one. Or are you one of those who are happy to see Africans die as long as no foreign power is involved?

what's the AU doing about this?

Hardly anything. The FOMAC forces never got to full capacity, and it's even worse because there's a Chadian regiment who is HEAVILLY suspected of playing both sides, since Seleka is backed by Chad. Let's not forget that France was ASKED to intervene by the CAR, the UN and...the AU. So instead of pointing the finger at France for its intervention, let's point the finger at those doing nothing. That includes most African countries, the AU, and the US (who voted against sending UN forces there).

@mbewane @Liu Kang and some others were talking about it when it first started to boil I think one them said they were from there as well.


btw

Hollande et Sarkozy ont pris deux avions différents pour aller aux obsèques de Mandela. Incapables de jouer aux adultes; même pas pour aller dire au revoir à celui qui donne tout son sens aux mots pardon, réconciliation nationale, HAUTEUR POLITIQUE

... Ça craint du boudin !!!

Thanks for quoting me, been too busy following the events there to take time to share my thoughts on this. Indeed I'm from CAR, so I'm glad to give any info you guys might be interested in.

Regarding the whole Hollande and Sarkozy thing, from what I understood it's because Hollande was flying to Bangui afterwards, and there was no reason for Sarkozy to come along there.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Unfortunately most of the world is catching up with this conflict just now, but it's really just the latest (and biggest) outburst of violence in many years. No, it's not originally over religion. Here's the deal: There are about 80 % christians in CAR, and 10 % muslims. Over the 60+ years of political chaos/poverty/whatever you want to call it in CAR, religion has NEVER, repeat, NEVER been an issue. It wasn't an issue as early as two years ago. We've had countless coup d'états, rebellions etc but it has NEVER been along religious lines. Granted, you've always had tensions in the North over land but the country is big enough (think France+Belgium) and underpopulated (4.5 mil) so that there's enough space for everybody.

What changed? Seleka the makeshift conglomerate of rebels, mercenaries, etc. who took power in March. It just so happens that the majority of Seleka are muslims, including Chadians and Sudanese people who don't even speak any local language. It also just so happens that when they were marching on Bangui they were pillaging, killing and raping nearly everyone, EXCEPT Muslims. So obviously at some point other centralafricans understood what was going on. Add to that that they were starting to impose bans on pork for example and stuff like that, and you understand where the religious aspect of the conflict comes from. It's not "right" to say that the "anti-balaka" groups are "Christians", they're originally just random people who wanted to protect their villages from assaillants. It's not like it's some of organized christian aarmy or whatever.

To make it clear: Seleka's actions is wha led to the religious aspect of the conflict, nothing else. People didn't even care taht much about religion there, but when foreign troops come into town and use religion as a tool, people are gonna react.



I'd rather have them than...no one. Or are you one of those who are happy to see Africans die as long as no foreign power is involved?



Hardly anything. The FOMAC forces never got to full capacity, and it's even worse because there's a Chadian regiment who is HEAVILLY suspected of playing both sides, since Seleka is backed by Chad. Let's not forget that France was ASKED to intervene by the CAR, the UN and...the AU. So instead of pointing the finger at France for its intervention, let's point the finger at those doing nothing. That includes most African countries, the AU, and the US (who voted against sending UN forces there).



Thanks for quoting me, been too busy following the events there to take time to share my thoughts on this. Indeed I'm from CAR, so I'm glad to give any info you guys might be interested in.

Regarding the whole Hollande and Sarkozy thing, from what I understood it's because Hollande was flying to Bangui afterwards, and there was no reason for Sarkozy to come along there.

Gotcha.

Would you say there were any ethnic conflicts prior to this over land and such? I ask cuz I read most of the Christians live sedentary lives whereas Muslims were nomadic. Its similar to how Ethiopian C's and M's were gettin into conflict centuries back. Makes me wonder if this wasn't something that built up over the years, seeing as how it seems like C.A.R. always been fukked cuz of corruption and gross underdevelopment.

 

[mbewane]

Gotcha.

Would you say there were any ethnic conflicts prior to this over land and such? I ask cuz I read most of the Christians live sedentary lives whereas Muslims were nomadic. Its similar to how Ethiopian C's and M's were gettin into conflict centuries back. Makes me wonder if this wasn't something that built up over the years, seeing as how it seems like C.A.R. always been fukked cuz of corruption and gross underdevelopment.

Kindaish lol

Here's the thing: most muslims live in the North and North-East, which with the East are even poorer than the rest of the country, no roads, the state is absent etc. It's just a fact that the country is so poor and those are the regions who are the furthest from the capital and main trade routes (towards Cameroon mostly). So this is a geographical fact, and it just so happens that in two of these regions there are more muslims than in others, since they are closest to Chad and Sudan. But that doesn't mean these are "muslim regions", christians and animists are still the majority there. And in the East it's the same as everywhere (note: East CAR is wher Kony has been "hiding" for at least 5 years. No idea where the US is looking for him lol).

Anyway yes, this situation has led to some tension, added to what you pointed out (sedentarty vs nomad), plus the fact that earlier in history Arabs were trading slaves from the North and operating razzias there. Nonetheless, these tensions were never "an issue". Again, I repeat, with all the coups d'état, rebellions etc that we've had, NEVER has religion been a factor, you always had christians AND muslims on both sides of whatever was happening at that particular moment. Conflicts were political and somewhat ethnic, mostly between "christian" groups actually. (again, this religious categorization that does not really work in CAR. People identify with their ethnic group more than their religion).

This is something that has never happened before in CAR. I can't stress enough that people didn't even care that much about religion (neither christians nor muslims) before Seleka came thru.