Asante Samuel says Brady was sole reason for Patriots Dynasty
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It really is incredible when you look at all the big wins the pats and bucs had either regardless or in spite of how Brady played. It was that way his entire career. He makes a great case for best ever either way off longevity alone, but it’s amazing when you look at a breakdown of it. Really should drive home how much has to go right in so many places to win it all.A lot of these dudes really think Brady won all those SBs on his own
Always had a good OL, receivers who got open (even if there weren't superstars), and a defense that was always in top in giving up least amount of points per game.
People forget, those first 3 SB Brady never made any All Pro teams. It was always the Pats defensive players making the AP teams.
Brady is GOAT but football isn't basketball. shyt, even in basketball you hear shyt like "Lebron needs help"
2001: tuck rule game. He missed the 2nd half of the afc title game & the pats got 2 special teams touchdowns in a 1 score win. In the Super Bowl he had 145 passing yards & 1 score. Their offense gained maybe 265 yards, went 0-10 on 3rd down, & scored just 13 points. Brady had just 69 passing yards through the air. He’s the only qb to win a Super Bowl while leading the offense to just 13 points.
2003: to save time we’ll focus on the Super Bowl. John Kasay sending the kickoff out of bounds after Carolina tied it with maybe 90 seconds left is the only time a kicker has done that in I think the last 25 years.
2004: I don’t think he had to do much of anything in the divisional round vs the colts, pretty sure they ran the hell out of the ball. In the Super Bowl vs Philly he didn’t complete a pass beyond the line of scrimmage the final 26 minutes of game time. Legit threw nothing but screen passes the whole second half & they still won.
2006: pats lose the divisional game if Marlon Mcree just goes to the ground after that pick.
2007: 3 picks in the afc title game, but the chargers offense never gets into the end zone. They scored 12 points on the day.
2011: throws 3 picks in the afc title game. Assessed his performance as “I played like shyt” in the postgame, but Flacco throws a hideous pick on the ravens 2nd to last drive. Then on their last drive Lee Evans drops the game winner on 2nd down, Joe pulls up to throw to a covered Dennis Pitta on 3rd down instead of running for the 1st down, then Harbaugh rushes the kicking unit out to avoid a delay of game while he still has a timeout left, and then Billy Cundiff misses a 32 yard kick as badly as you can miss from that range
2013: they had a divisional round game vs Houston where they ran for 200+ yards and had 6 rushing touchdowns
. Did he even have to throw a pass that game? 2014: Baltimore never adjusted to them picking on the worst corner in the league all game (they were 14-19 for 220+ yards & 2 td passes when targeting Melvin). They called 0 running plays in the second half & the ravens DC (the guy who called a run blitz on the play where Eli threw the game winner to Plaxico in the Super Bowl) never adjusted. Flacco on both of the ravens final 2 drives with a clean pocket on 2nd down throws off his back foot into double coverage for a horrible pick to lose the game. In the Super Bowl he had multiple picks & his average completion traveled about 4 yards through the air. Seattle missed 11 tackles & gave up 196 passing yards after the catch. We all know what happened at the end of the game too.
2016: yeah I guess props to him for leading the rally vs Atlanta, but they called 5 running plays the rest of the game after taking a 28-3 lead and also the defense deserves a lot of blame there too. If Atlanta just runs the ball like any team with a brain would, they win that game in decisive fashion. That was the most egregious case of a team blowing a lead in any sport that I’ve ever seen.
2018: throws the pick to lose the afc title game but a guy lined up offsides and it had no impact on the play anyway. In the Super Bowl the offense scored 13 points vs the rams. Again no other qb has led his team to a win in the Super Bowl when leading the offense to just 13 points.
2020: in the divisional round vs the saints the bucs get a 40 yard field, a 20 yard field, and a 5 yard field off New Orleans turnovers. 3 touchdown drives that covered roughly 65 total yards. Throws 3 picks in the nfc title game & the packers coach for reasons I still don’t get chooses to kick a field goal inside the 10 yard line while down 8 with 5 minutes left in the game at home. In the Super Bowl he threw for about 72 yards through the air while the bucs defense held Kansas City to 9 points.
There was a lot of great play en route to those titles, but that’s a ton of lucky breaks, great play by the rest of the team, and a ton of bad decisions being made by the other teams too.
@Mantis Toboggan M.D. it only seems like Brady has breaks because you willfully ignore the bad luck
For instance, you ignored that Vinatieri missed 2 field goals in that Panthers Super Bowl... and that after that kick from John Kasey, there was a penalty that pushed the Patriots back some 10 yards.
I can do the same thing with other years.
Like geez breh... he's been getting lucky for 20 years?
For instance, you ignored that Vinatieri missed 2 field goals in that Panthers Super Bowl... and that after that kick from John Kasey, there was a penalty that pushed the Patriots back some 10 yards.
I can do the same thing with other years.
Like geez breh... he's been getting lucky for 20 years?
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Beli really just Rex Ryan with no personality without Brady 
Yup!!!Beli really just Rex Ryan with no personality without Brady
Said he’s better than Champ Bailey, Ty Law and Revis
This is kind of a casual reaction
Not bc he’s right, but bc he’s certainly good enough to think he’s “better”—-Except for Revis.
Bc honestly outside of Prime and Revis CB rankings are largely objective and hinge on a lot of other factors
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I said it takes a lot right for a team to win. He’s been the poster man for that when it comes to great quarterbacks. Regardless of how he plays, the point is that he’s had a much larger margin for error than the other greats. Sure sometimes weird fluky shyt didn’t go the pats of bucs way, but nowhere near as often as it did. Do we really want to compare the defense and special teams units that Manning, Rodgers, and Brees had to what he did to name a few guys?@Mantis Toboggan M.D. it only seems like Brady has breaks because you willfully ignore the bad luck
For instance, you ignored that Vinatieri missed 2 field goals in that Panthers Super Bowl... and that after that kick from John Kasey, there was a penalty that pushed the Patriots back some 10 yards.
I can do the same thing with other years.
Like geez breh... he's been getting lucky for 20 years?
They also went 9 and 7 and missed the playoffs WITH Brady the year after they won the SB. Brady also happened to lead the league in TDs that year. Point being that, every season is different and QB performance from Brady was the one constant every year.They went 10 and 6
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Man get the fukk outta here he ain’t better than any of them nikkasThis is kind of a casual reaction
Not bc he’s right, but bc he’s certainly good enough to think he’s “better”—-Except for Revis.
Bc honestly outside of Prime and Revis CB rankings are largely objective and hinge on a lot of other factors
He HASN'T had a larger margin for error. Why are you saying this like it's a fact?
You're choosing to ignore the bad luck (there's more I can bring up) And focusing on his breaks. I can say that in 2016, Gronkowski didn't even play the whole postseason, that his RB Blount fumbled in the red zone in the first half, and that his offensive line gave up 20 pressures. And I can bring up that plenty of QBs in his spot would not have completed that comeback
And you're ignoring that other QBs have been in similar spots as Brady but fukked up.
You're talking about defenses. Well Peyton has still lost several playoff games where his defense has played well, same with Rodgers. Rodgers 2021 divisional round game was one of the worst chokes ever
And you're ignoring the lack of weapons in Brady's early years.
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2021 being one of the worst chokes ever? He had no turnovers and somewhere around 250 yards while playing in a blizzard and once again the defense gave up the game winning score at the buzzer shortly after the worst special teams unit in the league gave up points on a blocked punt/kick. The 49ers got a stop where Green Bay punted and then the defense basically let them run the ball on every play of the winning drive. How is that even considered a loss that is on him when once again the defense and special teams melted down at the end? Peyton has maybe 3 playoff losses where the defense was good. In Rodgers playoff losses the defense gave up an average of 34 points or something close to it.He HASN'T had a larger margin for error. Why are you saying this like it's a fact?
You're choosing to ignore the bad luck (there's more I can bring up) And focusing on his breaks. I can say that in 2016, Gronkowski didn't even play the whole postseason, that his RB Blount fumbled in the red zone in the first half, and that his offensive line gave up 20 pressures. And I can bring up that plenty of QBs in his spot would not have completed that comeback
And you're ignoring that other QBs have been in similar spots as Brady but fukked up.
You're talking about defenses. Well Peyton has still lost several playoff games where his defense has played well, same with Rodgers. Rodgers 2021 divisional round game was one of the worst chokes ever
And you're ignoring the lack of weapons in Brady's early years.
I didn’t say Brady has had no bad luck, but there’s no Rahim Moore giving up that Hail Mary type mishap. There’s 1 game I can think of where the pats defense was awful in a big game. There’s no game where the defense, special teams, offensive line, backs, tight ends, and receivers all no showed like Super Bowl 48. I can’t recall anything quite like the 2008 playoff game vs 8-8 San Diego where the tight end forgets the snap count & gives up a sack on 3rd down followed by the defense giving up the game winning score, losing the coin toss, and then the defense giving up the winning score on the first drive of overtime while committing 3 personal fouls on said drive. Go look at where the pats usually ranked on defense compared to the colts, broncos, saints, and packers. I’ve never seen a game where Brady led 2 separate go ahead touchdown drives on the road in the final 5 minutes and still lose the game.
I can’t think of any playoff games where Brady led the go ahead or game tying drive only to lose without ever touching the ball again. In fact the only playoff games I can ever recall where the pats or bucs defense even gave up 30 at all was the 2006 afc title game & Super Bowl 52 vs Philadelphia. His margin for error was way higher than the other greats. Go look at the sort of defenses and starting field positions that Brees, Manning, & Rodgers had. All of them consistently got longer fields and worse defenses.
This right here is what I'm talking about
Rodgers loses a low-scoring game- you focus on how he had "no turnovers" and talk about the special teams giving up a td late and his defense not forcing a stop at the end of a game that was 13-10. Rodgers had the ball TWICE IN THE FINAL 5 MINUTES TO ICE THE GAME/LEAD A GAME WINNING DRIVE AND WENT 3 & OUT BOTH TIMES.
Yet you penalize Brady for winning such games by pointing out how well his defense played. You probably think Brady was lucky to have such a great defense in the 2001 postseason - ignoring his below average skill position group on offense, and his no.1 receiver getting suspended from the team halfway through the season, and him playing on an injured ankle in that Super Bowl. Can you even name his TE, RB, and WR 2, 3, and 4 from that season?
This is why this margin for error argument is dumb. Brady took advantage of his margins better than others.
Look at Rodgers against Seattle in 2014. I bet you probably think that was bad luck for the onside kick and the defense right?
I bet you ignore that he was gifted 3 interceptions and a fumble in the first half of the game and put up a whopping 16 points off of that. And was STILL gifted an interception in the 4th quarter and couldn't even lead a game-sealing drive.
But sure, go ahead and still use the luck/defense/margin for error arguments even though the Pats have been collectively mediocre-to-below average without him.
You're forgetting
2009 AFC Wild Card game against Baltimore
2014 AFC Divisional (they let Flacco drop 31 on them, probably the last great game of his career)
2018 AFC Title game (they gave up a game-tying field goal drive to mahomes in the last 30 seconds)
2003 Super Bowl 38 - they gave up 29 to Carolina and it was, at the time, one of the worst performances for a super bowl-winning team ever.
Which proves my point. You forget/ignored the other games that disprove your point
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Mantis Toboggan M.D.
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There are far uglier losses than “star qb’s offense goes 3 & out, punts the ball, & the defense easily gives up the winning score”. The 2014 nfc title game? The game where his coach twice kicked on 4th and goal at the 1? You’re really trying to blame him for that one when they blew a 12 point 4th quarter lead without him touching the ball and he got left with 30-35 seconds to get into field goal range, which he does and gets the field goal only for his defense to give up the game winning score on the first possession?
In 2009 Brady was awful vs Baltimore. Sure the run defense got gashed, but Flacco was 4-10 for 34 yards and a pick. Brady had 3 turnovers in the first quarter, all deep in his own territory. Baltimore scored on a bunch of short fields and only had 9 points over the final 3 quarters. While the defense wasn’t good, it’s hard to blame them when Brady put them in a big hole early.
As for 2014, they also had the good fortune of playing the worst secondary with the worst defensive coordinator (you should be familiar with Dean Pees) in the league on top of the ravens last 2 drives ending with Joe throwing a pair of hideous picks on 2nd down off his back foot into double coverage when he had a clean pocket and plenty of time left in the game.
I already mentioned 2018. He was very fortunate that Dee ford lined up offsides before he threw the pick that would’ve lost the game.
Sure their defense wasn’t good in the 4th of Super Bowl 38, but we’ve seen better defenses play worse. I didn’t say he didn’t have great playoff games of his own too. This was one of them.
You again keep on proving my point
For the 2014 seattle game, You conveniently ignore Rodgers not doing jackshyt with all the turnovers in he was gifted in the first half, so that you can zero in on the end of the game and calll him unlucky. For the 2021 game, you ignore Rodgers missing receivers wide open that would have literally ended or won the game. And his defense playing well. And the game still only being 10-10 with a chance for him to get a game-winning drive despite how bad the special teams was.
You point out Flacoo throwing picks after ignoring him dropping 31 beforehand
And for 2018, you ignore Brady's defense collapsing badly late in the 4th quarter, and giving up over 30 points and focus in on the Dee Ford play to show that Brady gets lucky.
This literally proved my point that Brady is having BOTH good luck AND bad luck - same with other QBs. And you only focus on the good luck to make your point.
Bro are you self-aware
We have such a large ass sample size of different scenarios to where you can't say in good faith that Brady just had some outlier good luck, much more than others. You can't sum up his outlier success as being largely luck. You can only say that if you willingly ignore things that don't fit your arguments.
This conversation probably won't go anywhere so we may as well go separate ways
