As of this week Jay-Z has sold 29,106,000 albums in the USA. Passing 2Pac, he is 2nd only to eminem

[Nomad1]

Nas' verses on eye for an eye,verbal intercourse,back to the grill again,live from the bbq,it's mines and let my nikkas live>>>>>pacs wakk ass basic verses on whats up with the luv,gotta get mines,jealous got me strapped and players ball

I don't need to bring up how nas rapped from the perspective of a gun and spit a song backwards.These are facts sorry

Nas is the same nikka that cried when he heard against all odds and he even got a tat similar to Pac's thug life tat nikka was a Pac stan

 

[JQ Legend]

Nas' verses on eye for an eye,verbal intercourse,back to the grill again,live from the bbq,it's mines and let my nikkas live>>>>>pacs wakk ass basic verses on whats up with the luv,gotta get mines,jealous got me strapped and players ball

I don't need to bring up how nas rapped from the perspective of a gun and spit a song backwards.These are facts sorry

Pac verses on Smile can compete with all that tho

And have you never heard Me And My Girlfriend?

 

[Nomad1]

Pac verses on Smile can compete with all that tho

And have you never heard Me And My Girlfriend?

Nikka is a generic Pac hater. He lives in his fictional fantasy world he created with Pac. He hates Pac cuz he humiliated Biggie Smalls .

 

[ISO]

Get your stan rhetoric outta here. Every Pac thread you use that on anyone who refuses to believe or acknowledge your bullshyt. Im comparing a dead artist with another. Pac had a bi-coastal feud for a fukking year. Blame big l for not hussling enough before he got murked.
As for Aeom all i fukking said was it wasn't certified since 99' same with 7 day theory. Im not getting numbers outta my ass like you. Pac could possibly be beating Jayz in a narrow margin. Stating facts dont make me a stan you clueless nikka.

stan rhetoric? every Pac thread? Big L wasn't a star, he had skills but he was never looking to become a star his music wasn't radio friendly he didn't have shyt like California Love. Big L was the epitome of a hardcore, boom bap NYC MC straight out of DITC. It's not about "hustle", he wasn't on a major if he would have lived he would have signed to Rocafella Records. Let's compare Big L to 2Pac while completely ignoring fame level because they are both dead

Why compare 2Pac to regional acts like Mac Dre and Big L, why not compare him to a guy like B.I.G. who himself had a diamond album, whose first album outsold Pac's first few albums combined, whose first album outsold MATW, who himself has a 2x Platinum posthumous album?

How am I pulling numbers out of my ass those are real, official numbers and the most recent numbers. AEOM has sold 5.8 million copies under 2CD rules it's a Diamond album, under regular rules it's 5x Platinum.

Personal insults? Why you mad? It ain't that serious breh

I don't even like talking sales, there's classic albums that didn't go Plat or it took them a while to go Plat and there's shyt albums that went Plat easily. I'm only debating here because as usual Pac stans want to deify Pac and downplay Jay.

 

[ISO]

Nas is the same nikka that cried when he heard against all odds and he even got a tat similar to Pac's thug life tat nikka was a Pac stan

This is the shyt I'm talking about y'all nikkas always gotta take it to far, Pac listened to Illmatic while imprisoned and blasted Illmatic so loud in a court session he had to be yelled at by the bailiff to turn it down. Nikkas talking about tattoos . Pac was inspired by I Gave You Power in his writing of Me & My Girlfriend as confirmed by the Outlawz.

nikkaz had love for each other as MC's

 

[MiC]

http://riaa.com/goldandplatinum.php?content_selector=top-selling-artists 2pac has him by 10 mil

2 PAC 38.5
JAY Z 29

10 of pac's platinum certifications came from his big double albums (they go 10x plat but sell 5 mill). So that makes sense. Jay still sold more though

 

[JQ Legend]

stan rhetoric? every Pac thread? Big L wasn't a star, he had skills but he was never looking to become a star his music wasn't radio friendly he didn't have shyt like California Love. Big L was the epitome of a hardcore, boom bap NYC MC straight out of DITC. It's not about "hustle", he wasn't on a major if he would have lived he would have signed to Rocafella Records. Let's compare Big L to 2Pac while completely ignoring fame level because they are both dead

Why compare 2Pac to regional acts like Mac Dre and Big L, why not compare him to a guy like B.I.G. who himself had a diamond album, whose first album outsold Pac's first few albums combined, whose first album outsold MATW, who himself has a 2x Platinum posthumous album?

How am I pulling numbers out of my ass those are real, official numbers and the most recent numbers. AEOM has sold 5.8 million copies under 2CD rules it's a Diamond album, under regular rules it's 5x Platinum.

Personal insults? Why you mad? It ain't that serious breh

I don't even like talking sales, there's classic albums that didn't go Plat or it took them a while to go Plat and there's shyt albums that went Plat easily. I'm only debating here because as usual Pac stans want to deify Pac and downplay Jay.

MATW and Ready To Die had similar sales

I dunno where yall gettin this Pac didnt sell till he died talk from

Pac sold damn near 10 million records at the time of his death if not more

2Pacalypse and Thug Life were both gold which is at least 1 million between the 2 of them
Strictly 4 My nikkaz - 1x Platinum
MATW - 2x Platinum
AEOM - 5x Platinum

Those were his numbers prior to death

 

[ISO]

MATW and Ready To Die had similar sales

I dunno where yall gettin this Pac didnt sell till he died talk from

Pac sold damn near 10 million records at the time of his death if not more

2Pacalypse and Thug Life were both gold which is at least 1 million between the 2 of them
Strictly 4 My nikkaz - 1x Platinum
MATW - 2x Platinum
AEOM - 5x Platinum

Those were his numbers prior to death

2Pacalypse Now was not gold while Pac was alive, Ready to Die sold a bit more than MATW it's one of the highest selling debuts anyway I'm not really tryna say he didn't sell while alive dude was a mainstream artist by his second album.

 

[UpAndComing]

MCHG is still a terrible album. I dont care if it sells 7 billion copies

Cosign

But Nikels and Dimes though

 

[Harry B]

Double albums were priced as 2 cds so you don't know what em would do if his cds were double the price.. SMH at people thinking pulling off a double cd is easy. Jay Z tried and failed.

Also outselling an artist that has been dead for 18 years really aint saying much.

double CDs were not double the price, they were all priced differently. Usually 1.3-1.5 Times' the price. Just like Beyonces album costing 1.5 times more than a lot of albums.
And his two double albums sold more than 7 day theory. So obviously cats had no problems with paying a few more bucks for twice as much music.

And you Einsteins need to stop saying that it's not impressive to outsell a dead person.
If an artist outsells Elvis it's not impressive? Pac still had like 20 albums released or about 8-9 major label albums. However it's not very impressive as you are saying, it's just an observation worth knowing. Besides that it's not comparable, Mc Hammer's album alone outsold hiphop last year.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

10 of pac's platinum certifications came from his big double albums (they go 10x plat but sell 5 mill). So that makes sense. Jay still sold more though

bottom line is pac's sold more

 

[Yoda]

Cosign

But Nikels and Dimes though

JUST LISTEN TO GONJASUFIS OG VERSION THEN

 

[JayBaldacci]

(1) Dude, I explained the Nas point already...Let me try this one more time...I mentioned Nas ONLY to put 2Pac's prolificness into perspective...2Pac was only in the game for 5 years, but in those 5 years, he released enough material to rival other rappers who have been in the game for 20 years...

(2) Whatever your original question was, I answered, whether you are willing to accept my answer or not is another story...

(3) I recognize the "if 2Pac was still alive" talk is IRRELEVANT...The fact is, a fan of 2Pac's work, I don't need fantasize about what ifs....In 5 years, 2Pac produced what Jay Z needed 25 years (since Hawaiian Sophie) to surpass...Period.

Are these not the numbers that the thread starter posted...?

(4) All the work 2Pac ever produced was officially started in 1991 and officially ended in 1996...And this work is in the top 5 selling works in Hip Hop History...If that is NOT an accomplishment then what it is...?

(5) Another rapper was also involved in a "coastal beef boosted by the media and died at the height of his career" and that rapper was arguably more popular than Nas, but his numbers and material don't stack up to 2Pac's...

Why does 2Pac's music have "life after death" but other dead rappers have NOT been able to replicate similar success...?

(6) Of course, death appears to boost sales immediately after the incidence, but only legends are able to sustain significant sales consistently over time...

(7) Think about this, if 2Pac didn't sell the majority of his records in the 5 years he was alive, that means he sold a shyt load of records, after his death, because it took Jay Z damn near 18 years to rich 2Pac's status in record sales...That means, even in death, 2Pac was able to compete with Jay Z and the entire rap game (except Eminem) for damn near 18 years...

Can you even imagine how much of legend you have to be to compete with the MOST visible rapper in the game 18 years after your death...?

Seriously dude, put the hate aside, and just try to picture...2Pac has been dead for almost 18 years...He didn't have The Neptunes, Kanye West, Timbaland and all the hottest producers in the game giving him the best beats...He didn't have the chance to cross-brand with Beyonce...He didn't have chance to be "inspired" by Philly rappers' whisper and other flows , he didn't have a chance to start a clothing line and etc...

Even with all his promotional advantages, Jay Z is still needed 18 years to climb 2Pac's monumental legacy...

Who is comparing Biggie's, Big L's, Big Pun's and etc legacies to Jay Z's...They also died...How come their deaths didn't sustain them through all these years...?

Why is 2Pac the only dead rapper in the same bracket as Jay Z and Eminem...? If death is such a great promoter, why don't the record sales acknowledge all these other dead rappers...?

A lot of typing but not much saying. My question was what good reasoning do you have to say if PAC were alive he would have out sold jay? Considering all this legend talk, he would not be the legend he is today without death. Biggie is held up like pac is, he just has less albums... biggie did have life after death with that very album. What are you saying?

Lol big l was basically underground and big pun died of being fat after one album, bad comparison. On top of that they did gain props after they died.

 

[28 Gramz]

A strong argument can be made that Pac woulda sold way more records had he lived

A lot of typing but not much saying. My question was what good reasoning do you have to say if PAC were alive he would have out sold jay? Considering all this legend talk, he would not be the legend he is today without death. Biggie is held up like pac is, he just has less albums... biggie did have life after death with that very album. What are you saying?

Lol big l was basically underground and big pun died of being fat after one album, bad comparison. On top of that they did gain props after they died.

Jay-Z wasn't relevant when Big and Pac were alive, who's to say he would have even blew like he did without their deaths?

 

[⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐]

Tupac has been over 50 million sales for a very long time now