As a whole, the NBA has lost around 45% of its viewership since 2012.

No1

Retired.
Supporter
Joined
Apr 30, 2012
Messages
30,323
Reputation
4,793
Daps
67,790
Folks have a problem with how teams/players are winning because it's different to the methods that they grew up on. It's as simple as that.
I don’t know who folks are (I’m sure a lot of people here fit the mold) but you’re projecting as it pertains to me. It seems like you like the current game and you’re trying to turn anyone who doesn’t into the equivalent of the old white guys who don’t like the swag of young Latino players in baseball. You want to turn everyone into some old men screaming at the clouds about back in my day and wanting to run a 1995 offense like Jim Harbaugh. The NFL is the most popular sport in America and the offenses today are nothing like what they were 2001 and people still love the game despite having complaints like fans do of all sports. Why? Because every team doesn’t play the same and offenses AND defenses are based around the players on one’s team. Coaches get criticized for NOT basing their offense on the talent on their team. NBA teams all try to play like the Warriors despite not having Steph and Klay.

MJ was the face of basketball and ratings driver long before he started winning to pretend otherwise is being disingenuous. No has ever said winning doesn’t matter. But it seems as if you think by saying winning trumps everything that you can make not liking the current way of playing a character flaw. And I just simply disagree with that.
 
Joined
Apr 30, 2012
Messages
84,626
Reputation
9,225
Daps
228,798
the NBA did that to themselves.

Styles make fights, but a good three point shooting team is a cheat code, same way Golden State was a cheat code, so having more of them has leveled the playing field to a point where we haven't seen a repeat champ in a long time (and I still think we have teams that pride themselves on different identities. Look at the team that beat Denver last year: they prided themselves on defense and length. Orlando can't shoot for shyt but their defense is what makes them unique. The issue with teams that model themselves that way is that Americans inherently hate defense, so while it can fun to watch if you're into it, too many people think defense is the enemy of fun.)
To that point around different identities.

A lot of the criticism around today's game and how everyone plays the same, is no different to past areas. The NBA has always been a copycat league, so it's weird to me now how the complaints are centered around the product being boring because everyone plays the same. That's always been a thing. The league has always followed trends that its set for itself. I think a lot of cats mistake the oversaturation of having access to all these games and equate it to players/teams playing the same more than they once did.

Furthermore, Gen Z only really know this positionless era, where all players can handle the ball, shoot, playmake etc, so if the game were to return to a more traditional world where PGs only distributed, 2s/wings only scored, and bigs stayed in the paint, they too would be fair in critcizing the game for every team playing the same.

It seems lost on a lot of folks that because all positions have the freedom of doing what they want on the floor now, it brings a different type of versatility that once upon time didn't exist. No longer are players handicapped by traditional roles that set by the positions they play.
He got sonned by LeBron multiple playoffs. Then his team won the chip when they traded him

Ain't much to celebrate
So, essentially, you're saying that it's about who wins, right? Nobody fukks with DeRozan because he's a loser?

My point exactly.

If JG and Ivey started taking more middies nobody is gonna give a fukk about them if they continue to lose. Changing their shot diet isn't going to make them more watchable, which is the mistake that folks make who're criticizing them taking 3s. If you're a bad player and you lose, it literally doesn't matter what shots you take, because it's not going to get eyeballs on you.
The poster before said teams are missing more 3s per game than they attempted compared to 10 years ago. If you think that’s something that people want to see idk what to tell you. the hornets and bulls combined for 75 missed 3s a couple of nights ago, that record isn’t going to stand the test of time, it’s probably going to be broken multiple times this year.
My g, those are the bad teams.

They're not the good teams. It's not even the league-average.

Nobody wants to see bad teams, period. Who the fukk wants to watch the Hornets without Melo? It stands to reason a team like Charlotte is going to struggle to generate quality shots without their best player/playmaker. Did anyone really want to watch the '97 Grizzlies besides diehard fans? Did anyone really want to watch a team that rarely every scored over 90 points, and couldn't generate consistent offense to save their lives?

Why do you pretend like bad teams haven't missed high volume of shots before today's era? You had scorelines during the 90s where teams went 70-50, were they not missing a substantial amount of shots, relatively?
 
Last edited:

In The Zone '98

Superstar
Joined
Oct 30, 2017
Messages
11,368
Reputation
1,205
Daps
36,988
if the hornets and bulls combined for 75 misses regardless of where they shot, that wouldn't be uncommon at all. It's still a rock fight; you just think that if they maybe abandoned the three in favor of some fadeaway middies they wouldn't have missed so much, but bad shooting teams are bad shooting teams for a reason.

there's 2 reasons why teams don't focus on simply driving to the hoop

1. They used to
2. Drive/kick...swing swing is leading to 11/40 and not 20/40 3PM

I understand why the game is played this way. But almost every game, every night is a 3pt rock fight

The European way may have ruined the NBA...
 

CHICAGO

Vol. 9: Trapped
Staff member
Supporter
Joined
May 1, 2012
Messages
55,014
Reputation
11,738
Daps
371,291
Reppin
CHICAGO
the NBA did that to themselves.

Styles make fights, but a good three point shooting team is a cheat code, same way Golden State was a cheat code, so having more of them has leveled the playing field to a point where we haven't seen a repeat champ in a long time (and I still think we have teams that pride themselves on different identities. Look at the team that beat Denver last year: they prided themselves on defense and length. Orlando can't shoot for shyt but their defense is what makes them unique. The issue with teams that model themselves that way is that Americans inherently hate defense, so while it can fun to watch if you're into it, too many people think defense is the enemy of fun.)

As for the makeup of the players, sure, we wanna see guys that we can relate to, and the 90s, it's like regionalism in rap. NY was represented. LA had their guys. Chicago produced a ton of players. Those players came from high schools you might have attended, gone to colleges you went to, for a while. Basketball is a factory now, Everyone comes from a random place, moves to some other spot to play for a basketball factory and you might wind up at a new school every year til you're a pro and because you're taught how to be calculated with the media, the filter is evident. The NFL still kinda produces those stories. Baseball internationally produces those stories, but basketball used to be the sport where all you needed was a ball a hoop and a dream to make it out. Now these guys feel so far away from what you used to know you resent the players.

GS SHOOTING THREES
WASNT A CHEAT CODE THOUGH.

THEY WON ONE CHIP
AGAINST A BUNCH OF HURT TEAMS
THEN ADDED KD WHICH WAS
THE CHEAT CODE

:devil:
:evil:
 

LV Koopa

Jester from Hell
Joined
Nov 18, 2014
Messages
8,684
Reputation
1,584
Daps
26,454
Reppin
NYC
NBA media shyt on the product for years. Even shyt on current stars.
Complaining everyday about the thing that pays you eventually turns people off. Self-fulfilling prophecy.
 

CHICAGO

Vol. 9: Trapped
Staff member
Supporter
Joined
May 1, 2012
Messages
55,014
Reputation
11,738
Daps
371,291
Reppin
CHICAGO
Folks talking about how they don't have a problem with Steph shooting 3s, but it's these lesser players shooting 3s that's the problem, well, then how come y'all don't herald DeRozan? How come NOBODY speaks about his play and how others should play like he does? If Ivey and JG are the problem, why isn't DeRozan the answer?

I'll let you marinate on why that is.

WHY NOT MENTION THE GUY
HE WAS TRADED FOR IN
KAWHI INSTEAD OF DEROZAN
WHO HAS ALWAYS BEEN
HERALDED FOR HIS MID RANGE GAME?

:devil:
:evil:
 

In The Zone '98

Superstar
Joined
Oct 30, 2017
Messages
11,368
Reputation
1,205
Daps
36,988
To that point around different identities.

A lot of the criticism around today's game and how everyone plays the same, is no different to past areas. The NBA has always been a copycat league, so it's weird to me now how the complaints are centered around the product being boring because everyone plays the same. That's always been a thing. The league has always followed trends that its set for itself. I think a lot of cats mistake the oversaturation of having access to all these games and equate it to players/teams playing the same more than they once did.

Furthermore, Gen Z only really know this positionless era, where all players can handle the ball, shoot, playmake etc, so if the game were to return to a more traditional world where PGs only distributed, 2s/wings only scored, and bigs stayed in the paint, they too would be fair in critcizing the game for every team playing the same.

It seems lost on a lot of folks that because all positions have the freedom of doing what they want on the floor now, it brings a different type of versatility that once upon time didn't exist. No longer are players handicapped by traditional roles that set by the positions they play.

So, essentially, you're saying that it's about who wins, right? Nobody fukks with DeRozan because he's a loser?

My point exactly.

If JG and Ivey started taking more middies nobody is gonna give a fukk about them if they continue to lose. Changing their shot diet isn't going to make them more watchable, which is the mistake that folks make who're criticizing them taking 3s. If you're a bad player and you lose, it literally doesn't matter what shots you take, because it's not going to get eyeballs on you.

My g, those are the bad teams.

They're not the good teams. It's not even the league-average.

Nobody wants to see bad teams, period. Who the fukk wants to watch the Hornets without Melo? It stands to reason a team like Charlotte is going to struggle to generate quality shots without their best player/playmaker. Did anyone really want to watch the '97 Grizzlies besides diehard fans? Did anyone really want to watch a team that rarely every scored over 90 points, and couldn't generate consistent offense to save their lives?

Why do you pretend like bad teams haven't missed high volume of shots before today's era? You had scorelines during the 90s where teams went 70-50, were they not missing a substantial amount of shots, relatively?


Gil, just listen. And look at the data. Every single team is missing more 3s per game than attempts from 10 seasons ago

I enjoy the game as is. But just listen to what nikkas is telling you

It is hard for them to watch a team miss 25-40 threes on any given night

Thr Celtics are cheesing 50 threes a game. Lol.
 

cartierhoe

Veteran
Joined
Jul 7, 2015
Messages
24,161
Reputation
8,274
Daps
115,075
Reppin
South Florida
Re: On the analytics and entertainment part of it all. I mentioned this before about how Nick Wright said he asked Daryl Morey at one of the Sloan Analytics MIT conferences what do you do about the entertainment factor when you wanna get up as many 3s as possible? He said Daryl said it isn't necessarily his job to worry about that, it's his job to win games, and if the league is worried about it then they can change the rules. That kinda sums up where the league is right now, teams have realized 3>2 and they deem that is going to be the way they are going to win games but it isn't necessarily getting the masses to turn the games on to watch that.
 

CHICAGO

Vol. 9: Trapped
Staff member
Supporter
Joined
May 1, 2012
Messages
55,014
Reputation
11,738
Daps
371,291
Reppin
CHICAGO
Re: On the analytics and entertainment part of it all. I mentioned this before about how Nick Wright said he asked Daryl Morey at one of the Sloan Analytics MIT conferences what do you do about the entertainment factor when you wanna get up as many 3s as possible? He said Daryl said it isn't necessarily his job to worry about that, it's his job to win games, and if the league is worried about it then they can change the rules. That kinda sums up where the league is right now, teams have realized 3>2 and they deem that is going to be the way they are going to win games but it isn't necessarily getting the masses to turn the games on to watch that.

AND A MOREY TEAM
AINT NEVER WON shyt.

nikkaS KEEP BRINGING UP
THE CELTICS....

THEY WON BECAUSE THEY HAVE
THE BEST ROSTER IN THE NBA
NOT BECAUSE THEY SHOOT
THE MOST THREES.

:devil:
:evil:
 
Joined
Apr 30, 2012
Messages
84,626
Reputation
9,225
Daps
228,798
I don’t know who folks are (I’m sure a lot of people here fit the mold) but you’re projecting as it pertains to me. It seems like you like the current game and you’re trying to turn anyone who doesn’t into the equivalent of the old white guys who don’t like the swag of young Latino players in baseball. You want to turn everyone into some old men screaming at the clouds about back in my day and wanting to run a 1995 offense like Jim Harbaugh
I'm not trying to turn anyone into anything.

I'm merely pointing out the contradictions and inconsistencies with their criticisms. Nothing wrong with critiquing the NBA, but at least be honest about it.

I take the current game for what it is. I don't like it or dislike it anymore than other eras. I don't use my feelings about it to make sweeping generalizations that everyone else should adhere to. I don't use outdated measurements like TV ratings to state the NBA is dying.
The NFL is the most popular sport in America and the offenses today are nothing like what they were 2001 and people still love the game despite having complaints like fans do of all sports. Why? Because every team doesn’t play the same and offenses AND defenses are based around the players on one’s team. Coaches get criticized for NOT basing their offense on the talent on their team. NBA teams all try to play like the Warriors despite not having Steph and Klay.
The NFL's popularity has absolutely nothing to do with its product (or more specifically, how the game is being played).

It's all about it being American.

It could have objectively the greatest product it's ever produced, but if it suddenly geared towards more an international ethos, and/or adopted a "liberal and woke" identiy, and had players from foreign countries dominating the league, it would quickly lose it's popularity. It's popularity is based on it being part of this country's fabric, not because of how the sport is being played.

Further to the point -

The NFL has always been more popular than the NBA in this country. It's been this country's favorite pastime since the 70s.

The NBA is more popular on a global scale than the NFL is. The NBA is more popular, globally, than it's ever been. There's been an increase of NBA fans in this country since 2019. There's been a 33% increase in people playing basketball over the same period too.
MJ was the face of basketball and ratings driver long before he started winning to pretend otherwise is being disingenuous. No has ever said winning doesn’t matter. But it seems as if you think by saying winning trumps everything that you can make not liking the current way of playing a character flaw. And I just simply disagree with that.
This is not entirely true.

The ratings drive and root of popularity was because of the Lakers and Celtics during the 80s (you know the two teams that won all the titles during the 80s?), and MJ's image was used as a springboard off of that to take it globally. If MJ never won, he would've been replaced by whoever did win. Unless you seem to think the NBA would keep on promoting MJ as the face of the league despite him never winning anything?

They would've eventually moved on and celebrated/promoted the winner.

So yes, winning does matter over everything else.

Especially in this country.

It's all about winning and being the best.
 

Ethnic Vagina Finder

The Great Paper Chaser
Joined
May 4, 2012
Messages
55,153
Reputation
2,805
Daps
156,183
Reppin
North Jersey but I miss Cali :sadcam:
These posts B2B are hilarious.

:lolbron:

And yes @FukkaPaidEmail plenty of folks hate/hated Steph for launching 3s. I remember in real time them saying that he wasn't going to win playing that way. shytting on him for being a soft, lightskin jumpshooter. shytting on him because he wouldn't have survived in the 80s/90s.

Y'all are just disingenious with the way y'all shift the argument.

The likes of Ivey and JG would be taking jumpshots, no matter if they were from 3 or from 2, so I don't quite understand how you seem to think the problem is with them taking 3s beyond not liking the shot. I remember folks having a problem with Brandon Jennings thinking he was A.I. taking all those off-balanced long 2s. People didn't find that enjoyable or entertaining. It really doesn't matter, because people are going to find some way to hate, it's what NBA fans do. It's what they'll always do, at least in our lifetime.

I'll add as a sidenote -

Folks talking about how they don't have a problem with Steph shooting 3s, but it's these lesser players shooting 3s that's the problem, well, then how come y'all don't herald DeRozan? How come NOBODY speaks about his play and how others should play like he does? If Ivey and JG are the problem, why isn't DeRozan the answer?

I'll let you marinate on why that is.

Easy.

09raptors-web-articleLarge.jpg



LeBron played in the East ending DeRozan's chances of going to the finals numerous times. And by the time LeBron went to the west they traded DeRozan.

He also played in a bad market. He never got the help he deserved.
 

Don Snow

All Star
Joined
Dec 13, 2019
Messages
1,580
Reputation
440
Daps
8,615
I think viewership is down because millennials are too busy with life to watch sports as much as they used to


and Gen Z and Gen Alpha don’t watch live sports they mostly watch highlights
 

Left.A1

Superstar
Joined
Dec 19, 2017
Messages
19,762
Reputation
774
Daps
52,747
Yeah I saw some guy who was dissing Ant for taking too many 3s. While also bigging up Caitlin for being a big star :pachaha:




:skip:

I wonder what incompetent idiot posted the original link to an OUTKICK THE COVERAGE story on this forum to begin with? :jbhmm:Hmmmm who would be dumb enough to be duped by a white supremacy website then come spread their lies to black people.....I wonder who that could be
 

Long Live The Kane

Tyrant Titan
Joined
Apr 30, 2012
Messages
15,984
Reputation
3,926
Daps
59,275
Re: On the analytics and entertainment part of it all. I mentioned this before about how Nick Wright said he asked Daryl Morey at one of the Sloan Analytics MIT conferences what do you do about the entertainment factor when you wanna get up as many 3s as possible? He said Daryl said it isn't necessarily his job to worry about that, it's his job to win games, and if the league is worried about it then they can change the rules. That kinda sums up where the league is right now, teams have realized 3>2 and they deem that is going to be the way they are going to win games but it isn't necessarily getting the masses to turn the games on to watch that.

Yup. And this is the way it’s always been…the whole “competition vs entertainment” argument is one the NBA has no confusion on which side it falls on….the league has been dynamic since its inception, and has shown no hesitation to change things for the purposes of “improving” the game…this isn’t baseball

there isn’t some kinda inherent empirical sanctity to the 3 point shot…shyt was literally invented as a gimmick to make games more exciting in novelty games and didn’t become part of the NBA until the 1980 season…the league will tweak it like they’ve done any other number of things over the years…”enjoy this shyt or shut the fukk up and stop watching” is not the way they conduct business :mjlol:
 
Joined
Apr 30, 2012
Messages
84,626
Reputation
9,225
Daps
228,798

Gil, just listen. And look at the data. Every single team is missing more 3s per game than attempts from 10 seasons ago

I enjoy the game as is. But just listen to what nikkas is telling you

It is hard for them to watch a team miss 25-40 threes on any given night

Thr Celtics are cheesing 50 threes a game. Lol.
The data you just referenced does not show that.

Furthermore, what does them missing 3s have do with anything? They're still completing them at the same percentage that they did 10 years ago.

League-average 3-pt% this season is 36%
League-average 3-pt% this season in 2015 was 35%.


Same percentage.

Of course, if they're taking more 3s more of them are going to be missed. If you take more attempts of any shot, they'll be more misses. It's the percentage that they're completing them at which is relevant. Are you telling them that if they were missing long 2s instead that they'd be fine with it? If a bad team was missing a substantial amount of long 2s, they'd find that watchable?

Bad team miss jumpshots.

They always have, and they always will.

Unless y'all are trying to argue that missing a jumpshot a few feet further in is more entertaining than missing a jumpshot that's taken a few feet further out?

Which is futile because nobody likes watching bad teams.

The same cats who migrated from the old board to over here hated watching Brandon Jennings after his rookie season. All because of the jumpshots he took and missed (and they weren't 3s). They're here now saying they hate players who aren't good at making 3s. This illustrates that it doesn't matter what kind of jumpshot someone takes, be that a 2 or 3, if they're bad at it or if they don't win playing that way, folks aren't going to want to watch it.

All this talk about 3s is folks just being disingenious.

As I've reiterated time and time again, if that were the case, they would get behind players like Jokic or DeRozan. If a player isnt winning and/or playing a certain a way that that they identify with, then it's going to be an uphill battle for them to watch.

It's also no coincidence that the biggest detractors of the game today are fans of teams who ain't shyt. It's why you rarely see Celtics fans or Nuggets fans on this board talking bad about the product.
 
Top