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Steph is as good in iso as any point guard in the league. He still got his in Mark Jackson's system.
Nobody said he wasn't good.. I said he wasn't as good as kyrie..and its not part of his game like that..

He usually run ISO when they want him to shoot free throws.. And even when he run iso.. Unlike.. He will force the switch and attack bigs a lot of time or..get a screen to free him up.. Not saying its bad.. I am saying he is not kyrie on the iso
 

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That's because of how the offense is currently structured. If he was running ISO in 2013 how isn't it exactly in his "arsenal" - just because he isn't doing it as much this season/under Kerr. The reason the Warriors don't run ISO plays is because it isn't conducive to winning. It's partly the reason this team took a championship-jump from Jackson to Kerr - because Kerr implemented a motion, ball movement, player moving offense - as opposed to the stagnant, ISO offense that Jackson had them run.

Why should Curry run more ISO plays just to appease folk like you who clearly don't know what they're talking about in a bid to show you that they can score on 1v1 situations at the price of sacrificing offense fluidity and efficiency?

That's because that's the not the point to the Warriors offense. Again, you're speaking like somebody that doesn't understand basketball. If he went ISO like Kyrie does, the Warriors offense would be less effective because it would take away from one of their greatest strengths - passing/swinging the ball and player movement. Kyrie prior to Blatt and even last season had free rein in Cleveland - there was basically no offensive system, he he was free to do whatever. I mean just take a look at Byron Scott and Mike Brown offenses.

Put Kyrie in the Warriors system and his ISO activity would DRASTICALLY decrease - yet that doesn't mean that he isn't capable of going ISO - it just means for the benefit of the offense it's best if that those type of plays are kept to a minimum. Same goes for Curry. Put Curry to do whatever the fukk he wanted to do with no offensive structure and let him dribble the fukk outta the ball and go 1v1 all the time and you'd see what he's capable of.

shyt this wouldn't even be a discussion if he played under Scott and Brown like Kyrie has - we'd probably be talking about how Curry doesn't pass the ball and goes 1on1 too much.

It didn't help your point at all. Maybe if you knew how the Warriors offense worked you'd understand.
You realize ur agreeing with me like your disagreeing with me right?
 
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U really know what column to pick.. He could be number 1 if he ran 1 ISO and made them all.. He would have 2 to 3 ppp...

It's not like the ISO leader isneven averaging 1 point
Yet he's #12 in total ISO attempts with the second best FG%. He's one of the best ISO scorers in the league - the offense he plays in doesn't allow him to have a huge amount of ISO plays because it's predicated on motion, ball movement and player movement.
 
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You realize ur agreeing with me like your disagreeing with me right?
You could make an argument that Kyrie is the greatest ISO scorer in history. Still doesn't take away from the FACT that Curry is elite at scoring in ISO situations.
 

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Yet he's #12 in total ISO attempts with the second best FG%. He's one of the best ISO scorers in the league - the offense he plays in doesn't allow him to have a huge amount of ISO plays because it's predicated on motion, ball movement and player movement.
Again.. My point is he doesn't run ISO like kyrie.. He does 1 to about 3 of them per game...let's pretend that's a lot.. Knowing he did like 73 but played 3 more games then thwbguy ubsaid don't run ISO like him this year who has 134..

And he is number 15 in total attemps.. Ur reading it wrong.. And if u factor in numbers of games played.. He really is closer to number 20...


And I know its not how his team play I pretty much have been saying how they play this whole thread..
 

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You could make an argument that Kyrie is the greatest ISO scorer in history. Still doesn't take away from the FACT that Curry is elite at scoring in ISO situations.
Never said he wasn't.. I said he doesn't run ISO like that.. Shooting his is biggest weapon..

Now kyrie the greatest ISO of all time... I know.. Jordan, James and Kobe wants to talk breh
 
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Again.. My point is he doesn't run ISO like kyrie.. He does 1 to about 3 of them per game...let's pretend that's a lot.. Knowing he did like 73 but played 3 more games then thwbguy ubsaid don't run ISO like him this year who has 134..
:what:
And he is number 15 in total attemps.. Ur reading it wrong.. And if u factor in numbers of games played.. He really is closer to number 20...
He is 12= in field goal attempts (I clearly specified FG attempts). No he isn't closer to #20 if you factor in games played.

12=. Curry - 59 FG attempts in 26 games
12= Durant - 59 FG attempts in 20 games
14. Bledsoe - 58 FG attempts in 26 games
15. Morris - 56 FG attempts in 27 games
16. Jackson - 55 FG attempts in 27 games
17. Gallinari - 54 FG attempts in 25 games
18. Wiggins - 50 FG attempts in 24 games
19. Johnson - 50 FG attempts in 25 games
20. McCollum - 48 FG attempts in 27 games
21. Giannis - 47 FG attempts in 26 games

Durant is the only one on that list that has a higher FG attempts per game.
And I know its not how his team play I pretty much have been saying how they play this whole thread..
You said it's not a common part of his arsenal - when it is. He's one of the best ISO scorers in this league, he just doesn't use it as frequently as he once did - that doesn't mean it isn't STILL part of his skillset.
 
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Never said he wasn't.. I said he doesn't run ISO like that.. Shooting his is biggest weapon..
If you're not saying he isn't an elite ISO scorer than what the fukk is the point in saying he needs 2-3 screens to score? Look he scored like crazy off ISO plays in 2013 - yet the offense wasn't as good as it is now because they had minimal ball movement and player movement. The Warriors were last in the league for passes per game in Jackson's last season as coach.
Now kyrie the greatest ISO of all time... I know.. Jordan, James and Kobe wants to talk breh
I did say you could make an argument for him, not that he was definitively the best. He's pretty much either on par or better than them as a jumpshooter, slightly less finishing ability (due to his size) and the GOAT handle. Only thing that really takes away from his argument is his size, inability to play above the rim and longevity.
 

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He is 12= in field goal attempts (I clearly specified FG attempts). No he isn't closer to #20 if you factor in games played.

12=. Curry - 59 FG attempts in 26 games
12= Durant - 59 FG attempts in 20 games
14. Bledsoe - 58 FG attempts in 26 games
15. Morris - 56 FG attempts in 27 games
16. Jackson - 55 FG attempts in 27 games
17. Gallinari - 54 FG attempts in 25 games
18. Wiggins - 50 FG attempts in 24 games
19. Johnson - 50 FG attempts in 25 games
20. McCollum - 48 FG attempts in 27 games
21. Giannis - 47 FG attempts in 26 games

Durant is the only one on that list that has a higher FG attempts per game.

You said it's not a common part of his arsenal - when it is. He's one of the best ISO scorers in this league, he just doesn't use it as frequently as he once did - that doesn't mean it isn't STILL part of his skillset.
your problem is you have selective reading.. does these attempts means he is not getting screens after starting the iso?

and your list is much close than you think.. only 12 attemps between him and number 21 despite being a number 1 option.

2.27 iso per game is not a lot that you would call steph an iso player.. and its not 2.27 iso without screens or switches... it includes everything and my point is curry does not run iso like kyrie, wherethe he takes all defenders of the dribble and attack the rim protector..


his iso are more passes and jumpers not so much attacking the rim..although in late close games, he does attack the rim to draw fouls

no one is saying he is not elite also.. i am saying his offense is not as diverse as durant, lebron, kyrie, kobe.. those are all better scorer to me, but curry has the clear advantage in shooting.
 
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