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OKC is Russy's team, Don't know why people can't just admit it.
I forgot Durant was even in the game in the second half.
I forgot Durant was even in the game in the second half.
Are we allowed to talk about how godly KD has been or nah?
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Nah, he can't be summarized by that inaccurate statement. Do you see how defenses react when he was the ball in his hands? Do you see how closely players guard him wherever he is on the court?
He takes whoever is guarding him off the dribble - be it a big or a guard/wing, the only times he doesn't or when he turns the ball over is when he tries to get rid of help defenders.
Here's a few more -
I advise you to go through all these videos.
How am I not talking about his dribbling when I gave you two videos showing his ball-handling ability?
All respect to LeBron but he isn't what he used to be in that department. Curry is far more capable right now at taking people off with his first step.
G-Zeus
G-Zeus Chrystler...the brehsident
Nah, he can't be summarized by that inaccurate statement. Do you see how defenses react when he was the ball in his hands? Do you see how closely players guard him wherever he is on the court?
He takes whoever is guarding him off the dribble - be it a big or a guard/wing, the only times he doesn't or when he turns the ball over is when he tries to get rid of help defenders.
I advise you to go through all these videos.
How am I not talking about his dribbling when I gave you two videos showing his ball-handling ability?
Again.. My point is.. He is not like kyrie take people off the drible...
U take this hit all over the place....
Post some shyt u don't even understand.. Where the writer sums it up himself that Steph shooting is the cause of his created stat
And it doesn't void my point... He doesn't run ISO where he tells everyone to clear the lanes.. He will beat the defender and the rim protector.. Not saying he can't.. I'm saying its not common in his arsenal..
He is an off ball shooter
On ball shooter..
Passer...
Pick and roll driver... But he don't see him call much for ISO.. When he gets an ISO play.. It's usually with 2-3 screens..
Not transition plays... ISO..
G-Zeus
G-Zeus Chrystler...the brehsident
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And?
Is my answer any wrong? Cuz i saw him do it a crap load this season..
I think u have insecurities bro.. U scared to hear other players shine if they last name not curry first name Steph
Kyrie has the greatest handle in the history of the league. I fail to see how this has any relevance?
I have no problem with understanding how that's calculated. I doubt you've even heard of that shyt prior to me referencing it. I quoted that because it shows why he needs (at times) screens to help him get open because he's blanketed by defenders when he has the ball and when he doesn't have the ball - not to mention the screens actually are used to set up their offense to create mismatches and different angles/paths of moving the ball.
He has one of the best dribbling arsenals in the history of the game with one of the quickest releases ever - I think it's pretty much safe to say he doesn't need to depend on screens to score.
You're speaking like somebody that doesn't understand the Warriors' offensive scheme. There's many reasons why they don't run as many ISO plays as other teams, and one of them certainly isn't because Curry can't go ISO. shyt if you watched Curry during Mark Jackson's last season as coach you'd see Curry run isolation plays all the time.
If you think that going ISO isn't in his arsenal, than you haven't watched too many Warriors games. That's all I can say.
Cotdamn you're pathetic. Just because you're ignorant as to how good Curry is in isolation situations makes me insecure?
G-Zeus
G-Zeus Chrystler...the brehsident
Kyrie has the greatest handle in the history of the league. I fail to see how this has any relevance?
I have no problem with understanding how that's calculated. I doubt you've even heard of that shyt prior to me referencing it. I quoted that because it shows why he needs (at times) screens to help him get open because he's blanketed by defenders when he has the ball and when he doesn't have the ball - not to mention the screens actually are used to set up their offense to create mismatches and different angles/paths of moving the ball.
He has one of the best dribbling arsenals in the history of the game with one of the quickest releases ever - I think it's pretty much safe to say he doesn't need to depend on screens to score.
You're speaking like somebody that doesn't understand the Warriors' offensive scheme. There's many reasons why they don't run as many ISO plays as other teams, and one of them certainly isn't because Curry can't go ISO. shyt if you watched Curry during Mark Jackson's last season as coach you'd see Curry run isolation plays all the time.
If you think that going ISO isn't in his arsenal, than you haven't watched too many Warriors games. That's all I can say.
Listen little man.. Curry makes most of his point on transition and screens...
Bravo in 2013 he was running ISO.. This year ISO is 10.5% of his points... Like 3.5 points a game...and this includes foul shots...
And I never said he never runs ISO.. I said he doesn't run it like its part of his arsenal.. Like kyrie... Which is what u chose to debate so yeah.. I stand by my point...
And I know why he needs screens.. He gets ball denied.. He aint strong enough to stand his ground so he gets screens
I don't care about ur article.. And it actually helped my point
That's because of how the offense is currently structured. If he was running ISO in 2013 how isn't it exactly in his "arsenal" - just because he isn't doing it as much this season/under Kerr. The reason the Warriors don't run ISO plays is because it isn't conducive to winning. It's partly the reason this team took a championship-jump from Jackson to Kerr - because Kerr implemented a motion, ball movement, player moving offense - as opposed to the stagnant, ISO offense that Jackson had them run.
Why should Curry run more ISO plays just to appease folk like you who clearly don't know what they're talking about in a bid to show you that they can score on 1v1 situations at the price of sacrificing offense fluidity and efficiency?
That's because that's the not the point to the Warriors offense. Again, you're speaking like somebody that doesn't understand basketball. If he went ISO like Kyrie does, the Warriors offense would be less effective because it would take away from one of their greatest strengths - passing/swinging the ball and player movement. Kyrie prior to Blatt and even last season had free rein in Cleveland - there was basically no offensive system, he he was free to do whatever. I mean just take a look at Byron Scott and Mike Brown offenses.
Put Kyrie in the Warriors system and his ISO activity would DRASTICALLY decrease - yet that doesn't mean that he isn't capable of going ISO - it just means for the benefit of the offense it's best if that those type of plays are kept to a minimum. Same goes for Curry. Put Curry to do whatever the fukk he wanted to do with no offensive structure and let him dribble the fukk outta the ball and go 1v1 all the time and you'd see what he's capable of.
shyt this wouldn't even be a discussion if he played under Scott and Brown like Kyrie has - we'd probably be talking about how Curry doesn't pass the ball and goes 1on1 too much.
It didn't help your point at all. Maybe if you knew how the Warriors offense worked you'd understand.
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Perhaps y'all can shed some light on this. @G-Zeus seems to think that Curry doesn't have the 1v1/ISO ability in his "arsenal" and needs screens to get open (he can't score without them). I keep trying to tell him if he actually watched the Warriors play that the screens are not only there to help him shed defenders riding his hip everywhere in the halfcourt (more than everybody in the history of the game), but they're essential to creating mismatches and and all the moving compartments (in/out ball movement, finding cutters, swinging the ball, player movement etc etc) to the offense.
And even with that, Curry has showcased his 1v1 play without screens in just about every game - the fact that he doesn't do it more often is because the offense would be less effective if players just stood around while he took players off the dribble. All due respect to Jackson - but we saw how ineffective all those ISO plays were before Kerr and his staff implemented a new offensive system.
Perhaps y'all can shed some light on this. @G-Zeus seems to think that Curry doesn't have the 1v1/ISO ability in his "arsenal" and needs screens to get open (he can't score without them). I keep trying to tell him if he actually watched the Warriors play that the screens are not only there to help him shed defenders riding his hip everywhere in the halfcourt (more than everybody in the history of the game), but they're essential to creating mismatches and and all the moving compartments (in/out ball movement, finding cutters, swinging the ball, player movement etc etc) to the offense.
And even with that, Curry has showcased his 1v1 play without screens in just about every game - the fact that he doesn't do it more often is because the offense would be less effective if players just stood around while he took players off the dribble. All due respect to Jackson - but we saw how ineffective all those ISO plays were before Kerr and his staff implemented a new offensive system.
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Steph is as good in iso as any point guard in the league. He still got his in Mark Jackson's system.
12.1% of Westbrook's points come from isolation plays, does that mean he doesn't have the 1v1/ISO ability in his arsenal too?
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Maybe he should be asking chris paul about Curry 1v1 :JJ:
G-Zeus
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U really know what column to pick.. He could be number 1 if he ran 1 ISO and made them all.. He would have 2 to 3 ppp...
Curry is #2 in points per possession on isolation plays in the league
Curry is #2 in FG% on isolation plays in the league
Curry is #12 in isolation field goal attempts in the league
Yet @G-Zeus seems to think that ISO plays aren't part of Curry's arsenal.
It's not like the ISO leader isneven averaging 1 point