Are millennial leftists aging into right-wingers?

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i've forgiven the dems for their covid fascism, so i'll be voting straight dem in 22. republicans need to be punished for trying to overturn Roe

if the Orange fakkit is the republican nominee in 24, ill vote for whoever the dems run

after that :hubie: my vote is up for grabs. ill be voting for candidates, not parties

let me know when the young guns take over the democratic party. jeffries, gallego, swalwell, raskin, moulton. thats a party i can fukk with
 

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I'm just enjoying the "of course they are" responses after years of the counter argument being, "no person who holds leftist ideals are voting republican."

The truth is a lot of these folks were conservative or grew up in conservative families and we're attracted to the idea of getting free stuff without having to talk about race.


That being said, there's a large portion of society who hold similar views and are disenfranchised because they choose not to do their civic duty.
 

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I'm just enjoying the "of course they are" responses after years of the counter argument being, "no person who holds leftist ideals are voting republican."

The truth is a lot of these folks were conservative or grew up in conservative families and we're attracted to the idea of getting free stuff without having to talk about race.


That being said, there's a large portion of society who hold similar views and are disenfranchised because they choose not to do their civic duty.
How much more evidence do we need of these Bernie bros blowing shyt up because they were mad? I haven’t been wrong YET.


they ruined the democrats by raising politics expectations to unreal heights and left republicans a wide lane
 
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How much more evidence do we need of these Bernie bros blowing shyt up because they were mad? I haven’t been wrong YET.


they ruined the democrats by raising politics expectations to unreal heights and left republicans a wide lane
Ultimately, what I feel I am seeing is just people being frustrated that they don't connect with their peers the way they thought they would.

I can accept that voters aren't voting blue no matter who because they don't value harm reduction. Cool. So I must assume if they're voting for Republicans it's something they value on their platform.

If that's the case then these folks aren't ideologically center left. Maybe they wanted free healthcare or just liked populism?

And if there vote is merely transactional (student debt forgiveness/2k checks/free healthcare or bust) then I'm not sure those are the types of voters who will lead to the sustained change many of the vocal left hope to see.

It's whatever for me at this point because I've written most of the theories presented when young voters didn't turn out for Sanders nor Warren as theorized. Same for Nina Tuner going from front runner to twice defeated in 9 months.
 

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Look at who the OP is...


Ha, no wonder. I rarely look at OP names and didn't realize he started it, usually I don't see his posts at all. If the site hadn't rebooted and this hadn't been my first thread while I wasn't logged in then I wouldn't even have seen the thread at all.

Notice that I completely decimated the premise of the thread and yet the right-wing corporate dems are still speaking as if it's true and refuse to engage with the facts proving that it's not. Even though the entire thing was just some typical bullshyt propaganda.

They don't want to admit that the voters who have carried the recent Republicans wins are the exact fukking moderate suburban middle-class white people who they claim are part of their alliance.....yet they're abandoning their moderate candidates at the drop of a hat for stupid shyt. While the tens of millions of black/brown/young/liberal/poor voters they COULD be targeting still aren't even showing up to the polls after their trust was broken over and over and over again.

Watch as their only responses to this are going to be to attempt to shame the most vulnerable and idealistic people in the country, the ones they've fukked over time and time again, rather than acknowledging their responsibility for the direction the country is going.
 

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Ha, no wonder. I rarely look at OP names and didn't realize he started it, usually I don't see his posts at all. If the site hadn't rebooted and this hadn't been my first thread while I wasn't logged in then I wouldn't even have seen the thread at all.

Notice that I completely decimated the premise of the thread and yet the right-wing corporate dems are still speaking as if it's true and refuse to engage with the facts proving that it's not. Even though the entire thing was just some typical bullshyt propaganda.

They don't want to admit that the voters who have carried the recent Republicans wins are the exact fukking moderate suburban middle-class white people who they claim are part of their alliance.....yet they're abandoning their moderate candidates at the drop of a hat for stupid shyt. While the tens of millions of black/brown/young/liberal/poor voters they COULD be targeting still aren't even showing up to the polls after their trust was broken over and over and over again.

Watch as their only responses to this are going to be to attempt to shame the most vulnerable and idealistic people in the country, the ones they've fukked over time and time again, rather than acknowledging their responsibility for the direction the country is going.
It's not stupid shyt for them. Idealism changes as people get older. Seems like with white moderates and a particular set of popular white leftists this change occurs when they feel they are no longer being given priority.

I would argue that they all low key believe this replacement theory bullshyt, even if in other cycles they vote for progressive issues.
 

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It's not stupid shyt for them. Idealism changes as people get older. Seems like with white moderates and a particular set of popular white leftists this change occurs when they feel they are no longer being given priority.

I would argue that they all low key believe this replacement theory bullshyt, even if in other cycles they vote for progressive issues.


But no one is changing. The red wave has nothing to do with people who vote for "progressive issues". It's driven by the same conservative/moderate middle-class white people who supported Bush and moderate republicans, voters who only briefly went for the dems cause they felt Trump was going too far but are now returning to their safe space.

As I already pointed out with clear data, the suggestion that this shift is driven by "idealism changes as people get older" is completely false. Leftists are still leftists, liberals are still liberals, if anything millennials are becoming more liberal than they ever were while white moderates with money are still unreliable allies. No one who allies with black/brown voters in real life can be swayed by "Replacement Theory" bullshyt because all it would say is they're getting more allies. In order to believe Replacement Theory, you have to already assume that Black/Brown voters are ideologically opposed to you.

Trying to build a wealthy white education coalition around, "But these folk are so rude and mean!" was a losing plan from the start. Sure, guilt-trip every sensitive white moderate you can, we need their votes on the big shyt, but its gonna fukk you up to try to build your long-term hopes around them when their goals for their lives are ideologically opposed to the fundamental changes we need to make in the country.

Work for black voters. Work for brown voters. Work for working-class voters. Work for voters in poverty. Work for young voters. Work for farmers. Work for small businesses. Work for anyone BUT white corporate suburbia.

The problem is that many in Democratic leadership have personal goals far more closely aligned with well-off white suburbia than with any of the other groups I mentioned.
 

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It's not stupid shyt for them. Idealism changes as people get older. Seems like with white moderates and a particular set of popular white leftists this change occurs when they feel they are no longer being given priority.

I would argue that they all low key believe this replacement theory bullshyt, even if in other cycles they vote for progressive issues.

Yeah I've been saying this for years.

The media might be paying more attention to it now, but "replacement theory" in some form has been a primary motivator of conservative voting for decades. There have been academic studies on the subject showing that just having minorities present tends to make some people more conservative. And I would imagine white voters feel even more bothered about that kind of thing once they have kids.
 

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But no one is changing. The red wave has nothing to do with people who vote for "progressive issues". It's driven by the same conservative/moderate middle-class white people who supported Bush and moderate republicans, voters who only briefly went for the dems cause they felt Trump was going too far but are now returning to their safe space.

As I already pointed out with clear data, the suggestion that this shift is driven by "idealism changes as people get older" is completely false. Leftists are still leftists, liberals are still liberals, if anything millennials are becoming more liberal than they ever were while white moderates with money are still unreliable allies. No one who allies with black/brown voters in real life can be swayed by "Replacement Theory" bullshyt because all it would say is they're getting more allies. In order to believe Replacement Theory, you have to already assume that Black/Brown voters are ideologically opposed to you.

Trying to build a wealthy white education coalition around, "But these folk are so rude and mean!" was a losing plan from the start. Sure, guilt-trip every sensitive white moderate you can, we need their votes on the big shyt, but its gonna fukk you up to try to build your long-term hopes around them when their goals for their lives are ideologically opposed to the fundamental changes we need to make in the country.

Work for black voters. Work for brown voters. Work for working-class voters. Work for voters in poverty. Work for young voters. Work for farmers. Work for small businesses. Work for anyone BUT white corporate suburbia.

The problem is that many in Democratic leadership have personal goals far more closely aligned with well-off white suburbia than with any of the other groups I mentioned.

The thing you have the realize though is that voters view politics as a zero sum game.

If you're doing something to help black voters, it'll be perceived as anti-white voters. You do something to help urban voters it'll be seen as ignoring rural voters. Focus on helping senior citizens and it'll be seen as taking young voters for granted. That's just how people think, and personally I'm not convinced policy can really overcome that.
 

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I'm a fan of the "vote to secure more points on the board" crowd

You can't get, what you don't secure.

Plus, its quite clear, many progressive candidates simply can NOT win.

"Vote to secure more points on the board". Are you fukking kidding me? The Dems had a super majority in 08 and did nothing! So how did that strategy work out? and how would it be different this time around? I guess you don't have answer because your goal is to "secure more points on the board" & not do shyt once in power. Is that the goal?

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Yeah I've been saying this for years.

The media might be paying more attention to it now, but "replacement theory" in some form has been a primary motivator of conservative voting for decades. There have been academic studies on the subject showing that just having minorities present tends to make some people more conservative. And I would imagine white voters feel even more bothered about that kind of thing once they have kids.
I'm glad its finally just being called out for what it is, and NOT just mere "racism"

Call it out. Finally we got something against this CRT bullshyt.
 
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