Arab slavers took more slaves than Americans (?)

[mbewane]

I'm not dismissing raids, I'm saying that it wouldn't be Arabs doing the raids but other African Muslims. Also the map I posted is very accurate. Also how would Arabs get to Chad when they would have to get through Sudan? Sudan who already WHOOPED them twice in a war. Sudan/Nubians are one of the reasons why Arabs never expanded that far into Africa. But more importantly there was already powerful Sahelian states like the Kanen or Bornu controlling Chad. So slave raids in Chad in general would have not been allowed. African Muslim states did not allow foreign slave raids on their territory. Just ask the Portuguese when they tried to raid for slaves in Mali territory. Heck the Swahili's of coastal East Africa didn't even allow Arabs or other foreigners to migrate to Zimbabwe/Southern Africa because they did not want them to find the source of their minerals.

And the Arab slave trade is correlated with the Indian ocean trade. Its not focusing on one part of African when talking about the Arab slave trade. As for more proof, most African descent slaves in Middle Eastern states were of Bantu/Nilotic origins from southeast Africa and not other areas of Africa. Here's something that backs me up even more:
Africa from the Seventh to Eleventh Century, UNESCO, 1988

Hmm...thing is, in CAR "Arabs" also meant/means people from North Africa, which you may be calling "African Muslims", (which is the correct way to call them). So it may have been people from modern-day Lybia or from Northern Chad coming straight down, because those raids did happen and it was not Black Africans, if I were to believe those stories passed down. We might be talking of two different things

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Hmm...thing is, in CAR "Arabs" also meant/means people from North Africa, which you may be calling "African Muslims", (which is the correct way to call them).

This good be the case. Sudanese are still looked at as "Arabs" even though they're not really. And you're right Sudan is right next door to CAR. But those "Arabs" would have looked like this...

Sudanese "Arab" people:

And not this...

Arabs actually from the Arabian peninsula:

But anyways I found something one CAR slave raids and again it was not Arabs doing the slave raids but other Africans.

During the 16th and 17th centuries Muslim slave traders began to raid the region and their captives were shipped to the Mediterranean coast, Europe, Arabia, the Western Hemisphere, or to the slave ports and factories along the West African coast.[7] The Bobangi people became major slave traders[when?] and sold their captives to the Americas using the Ubangi river to reach the coast.[8] During the 18th century Bandia-Nzakara peoples established the Bangassou Kingdom along the Ubangi river.[7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Central_African_Republic

Would make sense since Africans knew the geography.

So it may have been people from modern-day Lybia or from Northern Chad coming straight down, because those raids did happen and it was not Black Africans, if I were to believe those stories passed down. We might be talking of two different things

We're not talking about two different things.... What makes you think Northern Chad is not African or black???? And mind you Libya was controlled by an African kingdom known as Kanem at one point, but more importantly Southern Libya till this very day STILL has a rather large population black population. And no they are not descendants mere of slaves but have been there since antiquity. Some historians suggest they are descendants of the Ancient Garamentes. So those slave traders from those countries you listed would have still most likely have been black, especially Northern Chad.

 

[mbewane]

This good be the case. Sudanese are still looked at as "Arabs" even though they're not really. And you're right Sudan is right next door to CAR. But those "Arabs" would have looked like this...

Sudanese "Arab" people:

And not this...

Arabs actually from the Arabian peninsula:

But anyways I found something one CAR slave raids and again it was not Arabs doing the slave raids but other Africans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Central_African_Republic

Would make sense since Africans knew the geography.



We're not talking about two different things.... What makes you think Northern Chad is not African or black???? And mind you Libya was controlled by an African kingdom known as Kanem at one point, but more importantly Southern Libya till this very day STILL has a rather large population black population. And no they are not descendants mere of slaves but have been there since antiquity. Some historians suggest they are descendants of the Ancient Garamentes. So those slave traders from those countries you listed would have still most likely have been black, especially Northern Chad.

Good points...no I know Chadians are Black, we've seen their army and rebels at work in CAR for long enough But again, these stories were just passed down to me so can't really refute the points you bring up.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Good points...no I know Chadians are Black, we've seen their army and rebels at work in CAR for long enough But again, these stories were just passed down to me so can't really refute the points you bring up.

Thanks.

Like I said North Africans like Sudanese are known as "Arabs" due to being Arabized, so the people who told you those stories probably meant Arabized Africans.

 

[observe]

Do you have actual sources? Because I read no historic sources that state Arabs ventured that far deep into Africa. Not only would developed pre-colonial African kingdoms of the Sahel NOT allow "foreigners" to venture that far(they did not want them to find the actual source of African gold), but the horses and camels they used would not have survived the heat and diseases of the region south of the Sahel. But more importantly is most likely talking about Muslim Africans like the Fulanis or Bangi people who were doing the slave raids. Mind you Fulani are still one of the largest ethnics in CAR. And like I said it was African Muslims like the Fulani who really converted most of West/Central Africa to Islam during their Jihads.

The Arab slave trade was mostly limited to coastal East Africa.

No it's wasnt..here's a map of the Arab slave trade..and that map says it's from 1500-1900 where the slave trade goes back since 650 AD. @2Quik4UHoes already told you this last years and you've been in denial

 

[observe]

Dude explains it

 

[newworldafro]

I wonder if you could even make a movie on this.

The fact that they made all the males eunuchs by the millions is some of the craziest shiit ever. I mean that is systematic savagery. So they left behind no lineage at all.

 

[ReadOneBookAWeek]

Arabs act like cacs so I wouldn't be surprised

 

[ReturnOfJudah]

Thats why all these black folks that claim Muslim look dumb as hell.

 

[3rdWorld]

Lets all celebrate the fall of the Middle East..From Syria to Yemen, the entire place is on fire and a living hellhole

I knew the ancestors would pay them back eventually..