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I never cared for Delorme. Dude just throws 1-2s. A lot like Lara...
April 18th, 2015 HBO Doubleheader: Matthysse vs Provodnikov and Co-Main of Crawford vs Dulorme
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HARLEM AL
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Thing is who has Provo fought that was a big puncher? I mean dude was getting stopped in his tracks against Bradley to the body(which is weird as hellBecause of this article which I said some of the exact same things:
http://www.fighthype.com/news/article20106.html
When the fight first got announced, I was leaning towards Lucas, but I did a little bit of research after I was asked to give a breakdown on this fight and there is a reason why Matthysse kept losing to Marcos Maidana when trying to come out of the regional area in Argentina. I think that Lucas, as good as a fighter as he is, I think that Golden Boy has a great marketing machine behind him. He lost to Danny, he lost to Zab, and he lost to Devon. And the Devon and the Zab losses got, not overlooked, but because they were controversial, he had like this uncrowned champion type of moniker behind him. He is extremely heavy-handed, but I think in a fight like this, he may not fight with the sense of urgency as fans would like him to. I think that the reason why Maidana was able to keep beating him as an amateur is because Maidana fights with a different sense of urgency than Lucas does. Lucas kind of has one gear. It's a hell of a gear, but nevertheless, it's one gear.
I looked at Provodnikov really good and I think that against Algieri, he probably edged that fight, but they gave Algieri a break because Provodnikov was walking in without really jabbing his way in. And in this fight right here, I don't think he will pay for that because both of them are shorter fighters and neither one of them are going to be moving or has the length that Algieri has. And I think that Provodnikov, though they both are punchers and are heavy-handed, Provodnikov is the more electric puncher. He is more of an eye-catching puncher. I think that he also punches in a better rhythm as far as combinations. He gives you a better rhythm as far as combinations if you are a stand still target. Provodnikov throws...some of Freddie Roach's signature training, a lot of his fighters can punch and they can do it in 5-punch combinations: Khan, Manny, Provodnikov. So you notice Freddie Roach fighters can do that. Matthysse is more of a boom-boom-boom kind of puncher and in a war, the guy that throws more shots has a better chance of winning.
I think both guys have really good chins, but I get the impression that Provodnikov is willing to go through a little bit more. I get that impression that he is a little bit crazier. I get the impression that pain and discomfort is something that he is willing to accept a little bit more. I was very impressed that Matthysse was able to come back against John Molina. He got in a war with a big puncher, but Molina was able to take him to the brink and I think that Provodnikov gets a little more wild then Molina and I think he's just a little bit better all-around fighter. So if you twist my arm...I'm concerned about Provodnikov's face breaking up. Matthysse is definitely a lights out puncher, so I'm really concerned about his face breaking up. People don't like to talk about this, but there is an A side and B side to fights, and Matthysse is with Golden Boy, which is a bigger entity than Banner Promotions, which is something we have to consider. But I think that Provodnikov got a little bit of the short end of the stick the last time he was in New York, and I'm going to go against the grain a little bit and I'm going to go with Provodnikov by a close decision. I know a lot of people picking a knockout, but I'm going to say Provodnikov by decision. I think it's going to be close, but I think it's going to be clear enough because of his punches in combination, which he tends to do more than Lucas does, and I think that's going to be a little bit more judge-friendly and eye-catching. But I tell you what, Provodnikov better have a good cut man because his face breaks up and his eyes swell up consistently during fights and Matthysse is a violent puncher. And when you got a guy punching through people like that, he's going to draw blood and puffiness. But all in all, I'm going to say Provodnikov edges it with his combination punching. Matthysse is going to be punching in 1's and 2's, and Provodnikov is going to be punching in 4's and 5's, and I think that's going to be the difference.
And I actually thought Provodnikov fought a very poor fight against Algieri. I was actually very frustrated that he wasn't jabbing his way in to Algieri. He was sort of walking his way in against Algieri and he really wasn't doing a good job of cutting the ring off. See, a guy like Pacquiao, he don't cut the ring off, but he steps into you so fast that he don't have to cut the ring off all the time. Provodnikov isn't blessed with the foot speed that Manny has, but I'm impressed with Provodnikov when you stay in a box with him. When you stay in a box with him, he can really get his hands off in vicious combinations. And I look at Matthysse, and although Matthysse is good, he doesn't draw on the trigger like Provodnikov does. Even thought Provodnikov isn't looked at as a speedster, he gets his hands off fast against guys who are not moving targets. When they are in a box and they tie each other's shoestrings to each other's shoes and they going mano to mano, I see Provodnikov as the quicker and little bit faster fighter from that area. And I think it's going to count because you talking about an old western shootout. When Gatti and Ward fought, Gatti is a little bit quicker to the draw than Ward is, so if you look at those wars, Gatti was constantly beating Ward to the punch 3 out of 5 times. And I think that in this kind of fight, that's going to count for something.
Ultimately, it may come down to who got the better beard and I think they both got good beards. Neither one of them have been stopped, but I think that Provodnikov is just a little bit more demonic. He's a little bit more sick. Pain and things like that don't bother him. He's willing to go to a dark, dark place that a lot of guys aren't willing to go, and I think it's going to count in this fight. I think we going to see a war, but I don't think we going to see a stoppage. I really don't. I think they are both going to be in tremendous shape and we are going to see a hard fought decision in Provodnikov's favor.
The last part highlighted is the EXACT reason I think Provo is gonna win & stop Matty. He looks like genuinely enjoys getting hit & inflicting pain on his opponents. Very
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Knicksman20
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Thing is who has Provo fought that was a big puncher? I mean dude was getting stopped in his tracks against Bradley to the body(which is weird as hell
Mike Alvarado isn't feather fisted, the Bradley fight was a war & any fighter can get stopped or hurt really bad from a body punch. This fight like the Alvarado fight to me is gonna come down to a war of wills & I think Provo's will is stronger. He gives me the impression he'd literally walk through hell to win a fight. Matty doesn't give me that as much.
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Mike Alvarado has some pop but he wasn't considered a puncher. I get what you are saying he will go through hell by my point was against who as a puncher. Matthysse has faced people who would be considered big/ or at least solid punches.
Knicksman20
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Alvarado is a good puncher though. He buzzed Rios who has a pretty good chin several times in their first two fights which isn't easy to do. He also stopped Breidis Prescott who has a good chin so Mike has above average punching power.
HARLEM AL
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i guess fam. We will see. I honestly can't say who will win. It's either the dude that couldn't finish Algeri or the one that got dropped by John Molina...
Ahhhhh so Prov is crazier and has more of a killer instinct? Because of all the highlight reel KO's he has against top notch competition.......wait
Well he sure has more of a killer instinct, because he had tim bradley concussed and brutally knocked him out!......wait
Prov's faster/better on the inside, so he destroyed TB on the inside and doesn't make gigantic defensive flaws!!!!......Wait TB worked him and beat him because of his inside work, and Prov drops his right hand EVERY time he throws a left hook...And lucas isn't quick on the inside anyway!!!! Wait he KO'd Lamont peterson (way faster than prov) with a left hook the ONLY time they were toe to toe, in the 3rd round.
Ahhhh yes Prov has been to dark demonic places that Lucas certainly doesn't go to!!!..........Wait when have we ever seen this? When he couldn't finish off concussed TB over 11 fukkin rounds? No wait it was against Algeiri! No wait he didn't do any work after the first. Oh well he has right? Because look at all the brutal KO's he has against non-espn fighters!!!!! Wait nah that hasn't happened.
So that article of opinion and conjecture (which was mostly BS) is what has @LauderdaleBoss @Knicksman20 and some others ready to pick prov???
Well he sure has more of a killer instinct, because he had tim bradley concussed and brutally knocked him out!......wait
Prov's faster/better on the inside, so he destroyed TB on the inside and doesn't make gigantic defensive flaws!!!!......Wait TB worked him and beat him because of his inside work, and Prov drops his right hand EVERY time he throws a left hook...And lucas isn't quick on the inside anyway!!!! Wait he KO'd Lamont peterson (way faster than prov) with a left hook the ONLY time they were toe to toe, in the 3rd round.
Ahhhh yes Prov has been to dark demonic places that Lucas certainly doesn't go to!!!..........Wait when have we ever seen this? When he couldn't finish off concussed TB over 11 fukkin rounds? No wait it was against Algeiri! No wait he didn't do any work after the first. Oh well he has right? Because look at all the brutal KO's he has against non-espn fighters!!!!! Wait nah that hasn't happened.
So that article of opinion and conjecture (which was mostly BS) is what has @LauderdaleBoss @Knicksman20 and some others ready to pick prov???
We callin rabbit punches KD's?i guess fam. We will see. I honestly can't say who will win. It's either the dude that couldn't finish Algeri or the one that got dropped by John Molina...
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I don't recall them being rabbit punches. He was turning his head ass Molina was punching. They weren't blatant rabbit punches.
GREENandYELLOW
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It is finally fight day! 
Tide Run This
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Hope to be in the threads with yall tonight i'm still mad I missed the Garcia/Peterson fight live last weekend. Anyone know the best streaming site I got rid of my HBO sub but the way Showtime been looking this year 
I might need to come home. I just wanna see Crawford continue to improve the most out of all the fights tonight. I think Lucas wins as long as he doesn't fight like a dumbass Prov ain't nothing impressive to me.
I might need to come home. I just wanna see Crawford continue to improve the most out of all the fights tonight. I think Lucas wins as long as he doesn't fight like a dumbass Prov ain't nothing impressive to me.