Apparently the First Holocaust was in Namibia/Southwest Africa in 1904 by the Germans

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Maybe that’s because Africans didn’t really find a place they liked better than Africa when they traveled. Or they didn’t have a “will to impose oneself on others” if they did.

But anyways

I’m just wondering how the interactions go when whites arrive in South Africa and see Black people living there....

South Africans: “What are you doing here?”

Europeans: “We are here we want to live on this land and make business”

South Africans: “this is our country, you can’t have this land it’s ours. Go find another land”

Europeans: “no. We will go to war and take it”

Or was it: “let’s make an agreement” and turned into war?

I don't really know of any African nation/kingdom that really set off to explore out of the continent like that. Meanwhile Euros have been crossing the Mediterranean for centuries, Vikings settling down in Sicily, all kinds of long-distance travels by sea. I might be wrong or missing something but I don't really know of African societies that were doing the same, or maybe in the Horn of Africa due to the proximity of the ME?
 

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I don't really know of any African nation/kingdom that really set off to explore out of the continent like that. Meanwhile Euros have been crossing the Mediterranean for centuries, Vikings settling down in Sicily, all kinds of long-distance travels by sea. I might be wrong or missing something but I don't really know of African societies that were doing the same, or maybe in the Horn of Africa due to the proximity of the ME?

Most of African exploration consisted of exploring African. Unlike Europeans, the land provided everything we needed. There have been Mediterranean and European wars fought over salt...At the same time, some African nations had so much control over salt in their borders that it was worth more than gold.

Africa only lacked an abundance of natural water sources which is historically shown to limit how well a people flourish.

Africa has natural deposits of diamonds, gold, coco, copper, cobalt, uranium....the last 3 are the foundation of the modern age.
 

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I don't really know of any African nation/kingdom that really set off to explore out of the continent like that. Meanwhile Euros have been crossing the Mediterranean for centuries, Vikings settling down in Sicily, all kinds of long-distance travels by sea. I might be wrong or missing something but I don't really know of African societies that were doing the same, or maybe in the Horn of Africa due to the proximity of the ME?

The whole East Africa has a long history of trading with the East. Persia, India, China, etc.
 

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Most of African exploration consisted of exploring African. Unlike Europeans, the land provided everything we needed. There have been Mediterranean and European wars fought over salt...At the same time, some African nations had so much control over salt in their borders that it was worth more than gold.

Africa only lacked an abundance of natural water sources which is historically shown to limit how well a people flourish.

Africa has natural deposits of diamonds, gold, coco, copper, cobalt, uranium....the last 3 are the foundation of the modern age.

Yep I know, and that's my point Africans didn't go off on explorations/invasions like Euros did. Because they didn't need to, and given the geography of the continent didn't develop the same dominance on seas as Euros did. I mean I'm not saying anything new.
 

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I've pretty much stopped giving a fukk about africa...

Always seemed to be victimized...

Always seemed to not care about the homeland.

The greatest empires in africa were built off the slave trade... smh.

I'm good
 

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But how many of that trade was Asians coming to Africa as opposed to Africans going to Asia?

In the case of the Horn, it went both ways. Specifically India and Persia/Arab Gulf. Certain cultural similarities came about due to the old trade relationships between East Africa and the Middle East/Indian subcontinent.
 

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In the case of the Horn, it went both ways. Specifically India and Persia/Arab Gulf. Certain cultural similarities came about due to the old trade relationships between East Africa and the Middle East/Indian subcontinent.

Yeah for the Horn I know, I pointed that specificity in my previous post. I'm not sure that there was as much African maritime activity further down the East coast though.
 

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Yeah for the Horn I know, I pointed that specificity in my previous post. I'm not sure that there was as much African maritime activity further down the East coast though.

I can’t say, although it wouldn’t surprise me. But most of what I know regarding other parts of EA is that it was the Swahili culture that brought about maritime activity. But again, wouldn’t shock me if it was around prior.
 
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