Anyone Else Hate Idiots Bringing Up the Illuminati: Help with Disproving It?

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

http://www.integralbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Wilson-Robert-Anton-Illuminatus-Trilogy.pdf

The Illuminati DID exist, but this whole 'NWO' stuff is just nonsense. The above books are partially responsible for it's resurgence. Read this and at everyone who believes this trash is real.​

 

[Pool_Shark]

The illuminati is just a boogeyman, but if you deny that the top corporations in the world arent connected in someway, and that wealth isnt increasingly becoming concentrated at the top spectrum of society... your a moron

The Masons are a real organization. Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) is real. Bilderberg and Bohemian Grove are real events where old white men get together worship owls and call shots about some real ass shyt that affects the average everyday citizen. None of this stuff needs to be proven.

"Illuminati" is just a catch all term to describe all of these various groups and the level of influence they possess but as a topic of discussion it has been degraded to a meaningless buzzword that actually kills conversation rather than stimulate it.

The idea that Jay-Z and a handful of low level millionaire pop stars are something to be afraid of is fukkin laughable and lame. Devil worship is nothing new in entertainment go get a late pass.

This is kind of how I see things. Like there probably is a small group of people that really run things but I don't think it's this dark sinister devil shyt I hear about all the time.

Like how I'll hear "oh religion is used to control the masses" but don't the masons believe in a god/worship the devil, so they're controlling themselves as well

@fukkyalifestyle I didn't know about a few of those things but it's easier to learn about them when there's not some propaganda music being placed in the background with "weird" visuals to make people afraid. Gave me some stuff to look into over the weekend. Thanks

@thekingsmen yeah there's a lot weird ass people around my way that have me like The net, for me, is the best place to go to when I wanna find out more about why they believe in the things they do or how to make sense of it. Most people don't give a shyt but on the net people that have really looked into what they're interested in are more open to discussion and have the time for it. I'll add that book you posted too my reading list thanks.

 

[fukkyalifestyle]

This is kind of how I see things. Like there probably is a small group of people that really run things but I don't think it's this dark sinister devil shyt I hear about all the time.

Like how I'll hear "oh religion is used to control the masses" but don't the masons believe in a god/worship the devil, so they're controlling themselves as well

@fukkyalifestyle I didn't know about a few of those things but it's easier to learn about them when there's not some propaganda music being placed in the background with "weird" visuals to make people afraid. Gave me some stuff to look into over the weekend. Thanks

@thekingsmen yeah there's a lot weird ass people around my way that have me like The net, for me, is the best place to go to when I wanna find out more about why they believe in the things they do or how to make sense of it. Most people don't give a shyt but on the net people that have really looked into what they're interested in are more open to discussion and have the time for it. I'll add that book you posted too my reading list thanks.

I got plenty more shyt pm me what you wanna learn about ill point you in right direction

 

[thekingsmen]

Sad thing is no one here has disprove it. I hear alot of "Fake, unreal...ridiculous, nonsense" but nothing with facts.

 

[Dog Based Gremlin]

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@ all you people acting like you understood what this nikka was saying

 

[¯\_(ツ)_/¯]

Sad thing is no one here has disprove it. I hear alot of "Fake, unreal...ridiculous, nonsense" but nothing with facts.

It's hard to illustrate any kind of substantial evidence for something no one on either side of aisle knows much about

Skeptics argue that evidence would suggest that the Bavarian Illuminati was nothing more than a curious historical footnote since there is no evidence that the Illuminati survived its suppression in 1785

A Bavarian Illuminati Primer

 

[thekingsmen]

It's hard to illustrate any kind of substantial evidence for something no one on either side of aisle knows much about

Sorry but that isn't even true. Many insiders who have died had all the evidence needed. From Capt.William Morgan to Bill Cooper.



Skeptics argue that evidence would suggest that the Bavarian Illuminati was nothing more than a curious historical footnote since there is no evidence that the Illuminati survived its suppression in 1785

A Bavarian Illuminati Primer

Now I find it funny that is mentioned as a footnote but Secret Societies dwell in the Americas since it began. They continued on as more of them became commercial like the KKK and Knights of Columbus. Illuminati continues under more of a business like think tank called CFR.

 

[Madvillain]

Guy on another forum had this to say awhile back...

Hip Hop has always had a strong conspiracy-theorist strain. And that is okay. It makes for some interesting music.

Problem is, a lot of these paranoid cats just do not educate themselves to the real facts. They run through Alex Jones' websites and they think they've become enlightened, ironically.

So let me kick some true stories real quick and then I'll be willing to answer any and all questions you may have about the NWO 4 Lyfe, brother.



1. There really was a secret society that called itself the Illuminati. In France in the 1770's, a group of deists got together and tried to figure out a way to get rid of the religious establishments and governments of Europe. This is a good thing. The old monarchies were brutal oppressive dictatorships. Deism was about as rebellious as you could get back then without getting executed for the crime of atheism.

1a. So the Illuminati was based on the belief in God. Not a specific god, but a deity nonetheless. A beneficent creator god that set up the laws of physics, shaped the universe, and then let it do its thing. So this is not a "Satanic" movement.

1b. Their opponents were the extremely powerful Catholic church and the monarchies whose titles were tied to it. You know how monarchy works, right? People believed the king and his bloodline were allowed to reign because Jesus said so. It's called the Divine Right of Kings. It didn't start with Christianity, it's as old as dirt. But it's an irrational and obviously un-democratic system that basically enslaves most of the population. Why wouldn't you want that overthrown?



2. Yeah, the guy who started the Illuminati joined the Freemasons. Oh no, old men in aprons and white gloves. Terrifying.

2a. While traditional English/Scottish style Freemasons require their members to believe in a higher power, "Continental Freemasonry" in France and Germany has been allowing ATHEISTS to join since the early 1800's. So explain to me why a group of people dedicated to Satan, demons, and other spirits is going to allowing those annoying atheists in, with their skepticism and logic.

2b. The Illuminati was crushed by the combined forces of the monarchies and the Catholic church. It ceased to exist. There is NO EVIDENCE that it successfully went into hiding or that anybody took its name.




3. Capitalism. Capitalism. CAPITALISM.

3a. You know why the world is the way it is? A perpetual struggle between people who work and people who own. The owners want as much work out of you as they can get while paying you as little as possible. The workers want as much money as possible for as little work as they can get away with. Read Marx. The ownership class will use any tactic available to keep you from realizing that they didn't earn and don't deserve their outrageous wealth. Religion, government, culture. Anything within reach.

3b. These people do not exactly "control the world." That's not really possible. There's too many factors. And I know some of you believe that they have a secret weather control machine, but then again, some of you believe Ras Kass is a smart rapper.

 

[thekingsmen]

Guy on another forum had this to say awhile back...

That was a decent argument but fails to see that Influence in itself is power. His argument lacks alot of historical remnants.

 

[FeloniousMonk]

Learn a lil bit bout Adam Weishaupt and you'll learn bout the Illuminati.

Illuminati | Illuminati New World Order exposed through Hip Hop, videos & Articles by Rap Artist SIRIUS

*ducks outta thread rocking a tinfoil Gucci beanie*

 

[A.V.]

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[ame="http://www.amazon.com/People-Believe-Weird-Things-Pseudoscience/dp/0805070893"]Michael Shermer - Why People Believe Weird Things[/ame]

 

[Vilified not verified]

I love how the youtube conspiracy videos always have some scary ass dramatic music in the background, wack scaremonger tactics, hows anyone supposed to take that shyt serious?

 

[Techniec]

I believe every society throughout history has an elite at the top to some degree and our society today is no different.

I also believe that the old money aristocracy of europe didn't go anywhere, and I believe that there is an "Anglo American" military-financial complex at the heart of it

Do I believe there's reptiles and occult element to it, nah that shyt don't make sense to me. I don't think there is a spiritual element to it but a racial and financial one

Having said that a lot of shyt out there is pure distraction (illuminati rappers tc)

I don't think we know 10% of what's really goin on, hence that's why I don't pay it no mind

I just try to live everyday to the Best I can

 

[thekingsmen]

Having said that a lot of shyt out there is pure distraction (illuminati rappers tc)

I think the trend here was misinformation. One person said the Illuminati is using rappers to influence the masses of youth and another person took it and ran with it. Sadly no rapper or entertainer is in that group. The Agenda is placed in their videos, songs, etc willingly or unwillingly but no one is involved in running with the pack.

 

[KingOFKings]

This is like the boogeyman for adults

Anytime I try and talk about issues like the current shooting or other topics a lot of people find some round about way to connnect it all to that mess

I think their probably is some funny business going on at the top but I doubt it's as intricate and simple as a mob of old men running the planet and controlling our brain.

What I do now is ask people to show me their sources and it's usually some YouTube video or some stupid website with a biased agenda. A lot of times there "evidence" is based on assumptions, "maybes, could be, I thinks, and possibly" if it's a video they'll throw on some dark music in the background to let you know they're serious


It would be a lot more helpful if anyone here has any good links or books I could recommend to people on how to disprove this stuff. I could use Google but the net makes it hard to tell the difference between psychos and people that are legit.

Or even how did you come to the realization that the whole thing is ridiculous and stupid? Did you ever ou to the idea or flirt with it?

I can help you out with this, and it's quite simple.

By you trying to argue your point, all you are doing is feeding into it. Everyone is on a different level of awareness. For some people, it might be all of this illuminati stuff, I know..because I was once there, a long time ago..yet I was into that stuff.

Let them figure it out on their own and experience whatever they need do. My suggestion is to stop wasting your life energy on trying to convince people about anything, one way or the other. It doesn't mean they are right, it doesn't mean they are wrong.. it is simply their opinion.