Answer to the eternal question - How to fund Medicare For All (Wonky)

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You add a kid to your plan. Your employer pays more money. :wow:


I've always been able to choose the level of coverage I have with my employer sponsored healthcare or if I didn't like it, opt out all together. :manny:



It's their money. They can choose how they want to spend it. #Freedom



Taking 400-800 a month out of a families pocket will certainly affect their lives.

:unimpressed:
and i wanna say for the record, that i like the idea of medicare for all in theory

i think im within my rights to question whether it can be effectively carried out by the US to cover 330 million people :yeshrug:
 

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What has it raised it on? Serious question.
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The three sectors it is most involved in are the most costly and out of wack. Healthcare, Education, and Housing... Nothing close to the distortions in those areas can be found anywhere else in the economy(save maybe ISPs).
 

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and i wanna say for the record, that i like the idea of medicare for all in theory

i think im within my rights to question whether it can be effectively carried out by the US to cover 330 million people :yeshrug:
I could be, but it won't. Largely because Republicans are going to do anything they can to make sure it isn't solvent.

Just look at SS and ACA. :manny:
 

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The three sectors it is most involved in are the most costly and out of wack. Healthcare, Education, and Housing... Nothing close to the distortions in those areas can be found anywhere else in the economy(save maybe ISPs).

Then help me understand then. Healthcare is in the hands of private industry. And Medicare/Medicaid costs actually are cheaper than their private counterparts. Education as I've said hasn't gone up. Pensions are a state issue not one specific to education. Housing.... I'm not aware of rising housing costs due to public housing or public housing being more expensive than their private ownership.

So again, how is public/gov't intervention making these sectors more costly?
 

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Then help me understand then. Healthcare is in the hands of private industry. And Medicare/Medicaid costs actually are cheaper than their private counterparts. Education as I've said hasn't gone up. Pensions are a state issue not one specific to education. Housing.... I'm not aware of rising housing costs due to public housing or public housing being more expensive than their private ownership.

So again, how is public/gov't intervention making these sectors more costly?
Housing - Zoning, rent controls, subsidies, etc.
Healthcare - The Emergency Medical and Treatment Labor Act, varying state requirements for insurance, etc.
Education - Subsidies, indoctrinating curriculum , monopoly force, etc.
 

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Housing - Zoning, rent controls, subsidies, etc.
Healthcare - The Emergency Medical and Treatment Labor Act, varying state requirements for insurance, etc.
Education - Subsidies, indoctrinating curriculum , monopoly force, etc.

If you have links to Housing, please share.
Healthcare - I'm not rolling. Those hospitals close down because of: pharma, employers hiring illegal immigrants, this country not being able to cover its citizens.
Education - Subsidies? You mean for "school choice"? Like private schools and charter schools. Indoctrinating curriculum is very much a grey area. I'll say we haven't done a great job producing informed citizens. Monopoly force.... :why:
 

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If you have links to Housing, please share.
Healthcare - I'm not rolling. Those hospitals close down because of: pharma, employers hiring illegal immigrants, this country not being able to cover its citizens.
Education - Subsidies? You mean for "school choice"? Like private schools and charter schools. Indoctrinating curriculum is very much a grey area. I'll say we haven't done a great job producing informed citizens. Monopoly force.... :why:
Housing
How Zoning Laws Exacerbate Inequality
https://www.rba.gov.au/publications/rdp/2018/pdf/rdp2018-03.pdf

Healthcare
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia
This is the reason we are paying for the uninsured either way it goes and the main source of premium increases

Education
Increased Tuition Subsidies Increase The Price Of College Tuition
In general subsidies always create market inefficiencies.
Its also worth noting that colleges which do not/can not accept federal aid, have tuition half the cost of those that do.
The lack of competition(a monopoly) allows the failed union model to limit flexibility, producing lackluster results.



All 3 industries — housing, education, & health– are essentially shielded from foreign competition, and receive special tax treatment, so they are extremely complex, but one thing is for sure... government has its hands allover all 3, and they reflect its handling for better or for worse.
 

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You add a kid to your plan. Your employer pays more money. :wow:


I've always been able to choose the level of coverage I have with my employer sponsored healthcare or if I didn't like it, opt out all together. :manny:



It's their money. They can choose how they want to spend it. #Freedom



Taking 400-800 a month out of a families pocket will certainly affect their lives.

:unimpressed:
That's taken out of my pocket every month in the UK, but I never had it to begin with , so it isn't a loss for me, but folks who aren't accustomed to paying those amounts will definitely feel the difference.
 

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You add a kid to your plan. Your employer pays more money. :wow:


I've always been able to choose the level of coverage I have with my employer sponsored healthcare or if I didn't like it, opt out all together. :manny:



It's their money. They can choose how they want to spend it. #Freedom



Taking 400-800 a month out of a families pocket will certainly affect their lives.

:unimpressed:
This
 

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It must be said, it's a big chunk every month, but I have had MRI's and throughout examinations, even referrals to specialists, all free of cost. I can take my kids to the doctor when they are ill without worrying about the doctor's bill or money for medication.

When my wife was pregnant, the pre-natal
and post-natal visits are free and we didn't have to pay a dime for an awesome birthing suite.

I wouldn't change it for anything.
 
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In Sicko, the Michael Moore documentary, they interviewed this British politician. He explained it perfectly to me. We can always find money when we want to fight wars, lets keep the same energy to keep our people healthy.
 
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