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Pennies compared to what it's cost Russia. Russia will also be compensated for the aircraft carriers from France that they didn't receive.


Not sure why they'd buy rockets from Russia considering Russia has lost several space ships over the last six months.

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How about them sanctions though. America itself breaking the sanctions it imposed :ohhh:

Russia hasn't lost anything. The equities markets are just caps. They magically grow exponentially once things smooth over. In fact I'd say they've gained power in all of this.
 

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How about them sanctions though. America itself breaking the sanctions it imposed :ohhh:

Russia hasn't lost anything. The equities markets are just caps. They magically grow exponentially once things smooth over. In fact I'd say they've gained power in all of this.

America does what it wants to suit it's purposes.


I think you'd have a hard time convincing a person in that that lives in Russia.

If I saw my purchasing power collapse, business suffer, and stock portfolio do the same I'd be pretty miffed.


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America does what it wants to suit it's purposes.


I think you'd have a hard time convincing a person in that that lives in Russia.

If I saw my purchasing power collapse, business suffer, and stock portfolio do the same I'd be pretty miffed.

My family over there says everything is fine :yeshrug:. They are barely touched by the sanctions and the repercussion of those sanctions. I think the US propaganda machine is making it seem like things are far worse than they really are in Russia.
 

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America does what it wants to suit it's purposes.


I think you'd have a hard time convincing a person in that that lives in Russia.

If I saw my purchasing power collapse, business suffer, and stock portfolio do the same I'd be pretty miffed.


:yeshrug:

Impressive grammar cac. Try "its," you might look a tad more educated.
 

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‘Possible’ Russian missile fragments found at MH17 crash site


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Latest update : 2015-08-11

Investigators probing the shooting down of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 said Tuesday they had identified pieces that "possibly" come from a Russian-made BUK missile from eastern Ukraine, where the plane crashed.
International and Dutch investigators are probing "several parts, possibly originating from a BUK surface-air-missile system," said a joint statement from prosecutors and the Dutch Safety Board (OVV).

"These parts have been secured during a previous recovery-mission in eastern Ukraine and are in possession of the criminal investigation team MH17 and the Dutch Safety Board," it said.

Flight MH17 was shot down on July 17 last year, killing all 298 people on board during heavy fighting between Kiev's armed forces and pro-Russian separatists.

Ukraine and many in the West have accused pro-Russian rebels of shooting down the plane, saying they may have used a BUK missile supplied by Russia.

Russia and the rebels deny any responsibility and point the finger at Ukraine's military.

Members of the Joint Investigation Team (JIT) comprising representatives from the Netherlands, Ukraine, Malaysia, Australia, Britain, the United States and Russia are currently meeting in The Hague to discuss a draft OVV report into what caused the crash.

The statement from the OVV and JIT said that the pieces being investigated "can possibly provide more information about who was involved in the crash of MH17."

"For that reason the JIT further investigates the origin of these parts. The JIT will internationally enlist the help of experts, among others forensic specialists and weapon-experts," it said.

Investigators stressed that "at present the conclusion cannot be drawn that there is a causal connection between the discovered parts and the crash of flight MH17."

Russia last month vetoed a bid at the United Nations Security Council to set up an international tribunal to try those behind the shooting down.

Countries involved in that bid are now looking at other means to carry out a prosecution, although no suspects have yet been publicly identified or detained.

The OVV is to release its final report into what, but not who, downed the aircraft in October.

(AFP)

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AUGUST 11, 2015
A Country Haunted by Starvation Burns Its Food
BY MASHA GESSEN

Russian workers throw peaches off a truck outside the city of Novozybkov.CREDITPHOTOGRAPH BY AFP/GETTY
annihilated in the Russian city of Samara, on the Volga River. The pork, which had been imported using Brazilian documents, was revealed to have come from the European Union. More than two hundred tons of other food followed—cheese in Orenburg, pork in St. Petersburg, nectarines and tomatoes in the Leningrad Region.

None of this is a joke. All of it has been reported in the last couple of weeks by what passes for reputable media in Russia—that is, sources that publish news that the Kremlin wants people to know. It was the Kremlin that initiated the food slaughter in the first place. To start, on July 29th President Vladimir Putin signed a decree ordering the destruction of all foodstuffs brought to Russia in violation of sanctions that the country has imposed on imports from the European Union and several other Western countries, which have themselves subjected Russia to economic sanctions. The counter-sanctions, imposed a year ago, appeared designed to deliver a dual message—“We didn’t need your food in the first place” and “Russia will only win by eating what it produces”—and the new measures seem intended to reinforce the message of Russia’s resolve against the continuing onslaught of banned food from the enemies. On July 31st, the Russian cabinet published official rules dictating that banned food should be destroyed “by any available means” in the presence of two impartial witnesses and that the process must be captured in photographs or on video. During the next few days, more and more chilling details emerged: when the decree took effect, on August 6th, food would be destroyed by incineration—including, possibly, by mobile crematoriums—compacting, and burial. And then it was.

A government plan to destroy hundreds of tons of food would probably be bizarre in any country, but Russia’s relationship to food is particularly troubling. The entire history of the twentieth century in Russia is possibly best told through a chronology of hunger. There were the post-Revolutionary manmade famines that killed millions in Kazakhstan, Ukraine, and what is now Russia. The famine designed by Stalin was followed by one invented by Hitler: the single most traumatic and best remembered narrative of the Second World War in Russia comes from the Siege of Leningrad, during which hundreds of thousands died of starvation. The postwar years in the Soviet Union were hungry. A brief period when most people seemed to have enough to eat followed, only to give way to the crippling food shortages of the nineteen-seventies and the rations introduced in the late eighties. Then came the hell for many people that was the nineties, with its multitude experiences of hunger. Some people remember the utterly barren store shelves in 1991. Others recall the salary arrears of the mid- and late nineties, when state-enterprise workers would not see payments for many months at a time and the lucky ones lived off their land allotments, where they planted potatoes.

Then there were the unlucky ones. In 1999, I interviewed squatters who were living in a dilapidated building in the Far East; they had come there from a nearby village in search of food. Prior to moving, they, like the rest of the people in their village, had spent a month eating supplies salvaged off a ship that had wrecked nearby. A young woman said that her sister had lost a two-month-old baby after she had given him powdered milk from the ship. She had no breast milk because she was so malnourished. If any of my then-interlocutors are still alive, they are among the majority of Russians of all ages who have personal experience of living with hungr or the immediate risk of hunger. Since the beginning of this century, Russia has experienced unprecedented prosperity, but the memory and threat of hunger is less than a generation away.

The flipside of this legacy is, or has been, a reverence for food, with which every Soviet and post-Soviet child was reared. Disposing of uneaten food—even letting food go bad so that it has to be discarded—has been seen as something akin to a crime. And now Putin, whose own mother nearly died of starvation during the Siege of Leningrad, has ordered that food be destroyed. To be sure, it is enemy food, and it can also be perceived as rich people’s food. But it is still almost undeniably edible. The obscene nature of the proposal is underscored by the videotaping requirement. It was apparently intended as an anti-corruption measure, to keep officials from seizing food in order to resell it; but the idea—and the videos that have emerged since the decree took effect—comes off as luridly voyeuristic.

There are some signs that Russians are taken aback by the idea of destroying food. Several hundred thousand people have signed a petition calling on the government to give the banned products to the poor, and a few officials have even expressed support for the idea (it’s not clear, though, what kind of anti-corruption measure could be applied in this case, short of requiring that the poor be videotaped consuming the contraband). But the outrage seems to have remained on paper—or onscreen. Official media outlets, meanwhile, have reported that the decree is working: illegal importation of banned goods has already fallen in response to the new measure. The leading national tabloid has rallied behind a proposal to turn seized food into cattle feed: “Let’s feed overseas pork to our pigs!” If the media succeeds in selling the idea of food incineration to the Russian public, that would mean that there is no idea too crazy, too frightening, or too disgusting for the Kremlin to make it the law of the land.

Why Is Russia Destroying Food? - The New Yorker
 

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Russia bans Reddit over shrooms

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RoskomnadzorA graphic posted on Russian Facebook after Reddit officials reportedly didn't answer the government's requests.


The Russian government has officially banned Reddit, one of the most popular sites on the internet.

Unless Russian users take advantage of VPN to bypass the website blocks, they will no longer be able to log in and access Reddit.

Roskomnadzor, the Russian agency in charge of media, pulled the plug on the open forum because it contains advice on how to grow "magic mushrooms", a psychedelic drug.

This decision was made after Russia's Federal Drug Control Service decided that Reddit content was promoting talks of these substances -- in communities that were most likely under subreddits r/trees and r/shrooms.

The culprit turned out to be a thread called "Minimal and Reliable Methods for Growing Psilocybe", reported Latvian-based Meduza, the first outlet to break the news. The muckraking publication was formed by a ring of 20 journalists after a Vladimir Putin ally famously fired a prominent Russian journalist from Kremlin media, and since then they've been training a close eye on the Russian government.

Earlier, the Russian government deployed its media forces to ask Reddit to remove drug-growing posts, but there was no reply, Vocativ reported. The Russian version of Facebook, Vkontakte, even posted a Wanted: Reddit graphic to express discontent with Reddit officials.

Russia has had an upturned nose towards pot legalization for a while now. The Russian Health Ministry predicted that "everyone [will become] a drug addict" when it was legalized in Washington D.C, according to The Washington Times.

China and North Korea are the other countries that have officially banned Reddit.

We've reached out to Reddit for comment and will update this post when we hear back.



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Are little green men about to appear on the North Pole?

Russia’s claim last week, using an extremely creative interpretation of international law, to exclusive economic rights to nearly half a million square miles of the Arctic Sea was certainly a head-scratcher. Sure, the territory is valuable due to its untapped reserves of fossil fuels and for the shipping lanes that will open as Arctic ice melts. But the claim is likely to ultimately be rejected by the United Nations.

Still, sparking a manufactured international crisis over the Arctic, one that pits Russia against the United States and Canada, might be just what the doctor ordered. Why? Because Vladimir Putin needs to make a new action movie to distract his people. The Kremlin leader is boxed in on so many fronts right now that he badly needs to change the subject.


Is the United States Selling Out Ukraine?


For starters, Putin has no good options in eastern Ukraine. The old fantasies about seizing so-called Novorossiya, the strip of land from Kharkiv to Odessa, and establishing a land bridge to Crimea are dead. And the more modest goal of expanding the territory Russia and its proxies currently hold, perhaps with a push to Mariupol, is probably out of the question too. Either campaign would be costly in terms of blood and treasure, certainly spark a fresh round of sanctions, and involve occupying hostile territory. The uptick in fighting in the region this week reeks more of desperation than of a serious move to acquire more territory.

Russia could, of course, just annex the territories controlled by Moscow’s proxies; or it could freeze the conflict and establish a Russian protectorate there. But in this case, Moscow would be shouldered with the burden of financing an economically unproductive enclave whose infrastructure has been destroyed. And it would have to do so while Russia’s economy is sinking into an ever deeper recession. Moreover, Russia would lose any leverage over the remainder of Ukraine, which would quickly move toward the West. Sanctions would be continued, and possibly escalated.


The Kremlin’s preferred option, given these limitations, is to force the territories back into Ukraine on Moscow’s terms—with broad autonomy and the ability to veto decisions by the Ukrainian government in Kiev. But Ukraine and the West appear unwilling to let this happen. Putin has boxed himself into a corner in Ukraine, and it is difficult to see how he is going to get out of the quagmire he has created.

It’s also difficult to imagine how Putin is going to extract himself from the quagmire he has created at home. The Kremlin leader is caught in a trap of his own making, between economic and political imperatives.

With the economy sinking deeper into recession, inflation spiking, oil prices dipping below $50 a barrel, and the ruble approaching the lows it reached earlier in the year, Putin badly needs sanctions eased to give the economy breathing space. But for that to happen, he would need to climb down in Ukraine—a move that would undermine the whole rationale for his rule and infuriate the nationalist supporters who make up his base.

“Putin’s return to the presidential seat heralded a rather sudden pivot towards a deep-seated domestic nationalism,” Moscow-based journalist Anna Arutunyan wrote recently. “Yet nationalism as a state policy and identity, initially implemented to shore up Kremlin power, now has the Kremlin itself trapped and threatened by forces that it initially nurtured, but can no longer fully control.”


A recent report in Novaya Gazeta, for example, claimed that the war in eastern Ukraine risks “metastasizing” as volunteer fighters return to Russia with large quantities of heavy weapons.

Vladislav Surkov—very skillfully co-opted and manipulated both liberal and nationalist groups. That strategy caught up with Putin in 2011-12, when liberal disappointment resulted in the largest anti-Kremlin street protests Russia had seen since the breakup of the Soviet Union—leaving him no place else to turn but toward the nationalists.

“Given the higher prevalence of nationalist views—especially among members of the security services—a sense of betrayal could have much bigger consequences for the Kremlin than simply mass protests,” Arutunyan wrote.

And on top of it all, Putin has an energy problem. It’s not just that oil prices are low and will remain so for sometime, although that certainly is a problem. The real essence of Putin’s energy woes are structural, not cyclical. The global energy game is changing—and it is not changing in Moscow’s favor.

Shale, liquefied natural gas (LNG), and renewables—three areas where Russia is extremely weak—are ascendant and are dramatically altering the market. The potential for ending sanctions on Iran puts a powerful new player and competitor —the world’s third-largest natural-gas producer—in the game. And the Ukraine conflict and Moscow’s aggressive posture toward the West have led Europe—Russia’s most important market—to change its energy policies and seek alternative suppliers. Moreover, rather than looking the other way as the Russian state-owned energy company Gazprom repeatedly flouted the European Union's antitrust laws, Brussels is now cracking down. If one looks at Gazprom as a barometer of Russia’s fortunes, one statisticsays it all: In 2008, the company had a market value of $360 billion; today it is worth just $55 billion.

slick propaganda machine is crushing the West in the information war.


Moscow has no doubt been very effective in mounting guerrilla-marketing campaigns aimed at sowing doubt and confusion in the West. And Russian officials have been skillful in manipulating and surreptitiously influencing media narratives on issues like the war in Ukraine and the downing of flight MH17.

But guess what? After spending nearly half a billion dollars to get its message out to the world, after unleashing armies of trolls to disrupt Western news sites, after launching the most widespread disinformation campaign since the end of the Cold War, after all this, Russia’s global image is in the toilet.

According to the Pew Research Center’s new report, only three countries in the world have a net positive opinion of Russia: China, Vietnam, and Ghana. Worldwide, a median of just 30 percent of respondents viewed Russia favorably. Writing in Bloomberg View, political commentator Leonid Bershidsky quipped that “the money might be spent just as wisely buying more $600,000 watches for Putin’s press secretary, Dmitry Peskov.”

And the numbers are dismal across the board. In Europe, just 26 percent view Russia favorably; in the Middle East, only 25 percent do. In Latin America, it’s only 29 percent. In the regions most favorably inclined toward Russia—Asia and Africa—it’s just 37 percent. And if Russia’s global image is bad, Putin’s is dismal. Worldwide, just 24 percent trust him. In Europe, just 15 percent do.

To be sure, Russia’s propaganda machine is working wonders at home, where Putin’s popularity is stratospheric despite a flailing economy. But one has to wonder how much longer that can last.

Putin Is Losing
 

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Propaganda Watch: Listen to Two Russians Badly Impersonate CIA Spies to Pin MH17 on U.S.
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Not all propaganda is created equal. For every piece of elegantly crafted misinformation meant to sway hearts and minds, there is spin so poorly produced that it borders on the absurd. Case in point, a comically bad audio recording released by the Russian tabloidKomsomolskaya Pravda on Wednesday of two alleged CIA agents conspiring to bring down Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17, which crashed in eastern Ukraine on July 17, 2014.

Complete with stilted greetings and cumbersome dialogue that sounds like both men are reading from a script, the recording opens with a series of conversations between the two alleged spies, identified as David Hamilton and David L. Stern. Throughout the recording, they discuss “preparations” for an operation that involves shooting down a plane with a surface-to-air missile and an eventual Plan B, which involves placing a bomb inside the plane — all for the purpose of staging a crash to discredit Russian-backed separatists in Ukraine and the Kremlin itself.

But you don’t have to listen long to question the recording’s authenticity. The men’s accents are curious to say the least. One sounds British for half the recording until he switches to a more American accent. The other man does his best to hide his Russian accent, but it pops up at the beginning as he clumsily asks his co-conspirator, “How are the preparations?” But the most glaring hole is in the conversation itself. The men do not talk with each other like native English speakers and use turns of phrase that sound as if their dialogue was translated to English from Russian via Google Translate. Before signing off, the two say “Luck!” to each other, a common farewell in Russian.

The entire released recording can heard below.


Conspiracy theories and propaganda of this magnitude are hardly new when it comes to the downing of MH17, which killed all 298 people on board. Immediately following the crash in July 2014, Ukraine and the West accused pro-Russia separatists of shooting down the plane with a Buk surface-to-air missile, likely supplied by Moscow.

Initially, Russian officials said the passenger plane was shot down by a Ukrainian Su-25 fighter jet. On July 21, 2014, Russia’s Defense Ministry hosted a press conference and presented radar data that allegedly showed another aircraft near MH17 before it was shot down. The Russian Union of Engineers said wreckage indicated the plane was destroyed by heat-seeking air-to-air missiles. Russian media then gave heavy attention to a man claiming to be a Spanish air traffic controller in Kiev who said that two Ukrainian fighter jets had followed the airliner. After the Spanish controller was discredited, the Kremlin switched to a new theory — that the plane was hit by a missile launched from Ukrainian territory and fired by troops loyal to Kiev.

The latest theory coming out of the Russian media, and supposedly reinforced by the new recording, is that a bomb was detonated within the airliner and planted by Western agents. “It really doesn’t make any sense,” Eliot Higgins, the founder of Bellingcat, an open source investigative journalism network, told Foreign Policy. Higgins and his team at Bellingcat have been debunking Russian theories around MH17 for over a year using open source information — geolocating social media posts and videos and using satellite imagery to trace the movements of the Buk missile launcher seen in the area before and after the plane was shot down. Based on Bellingcat’s research, Higgins believes that MH17 was most likely shot down by a Buk missile fired by Russia-backed separatists. “No other scenario has the same degree of evidence.”

Still, the case is far from closed on MH17. The Joint Investigation Team, which comprises representatives from several countries, and the Dutch Safety Board are working on separate investigations into what downed the passenger plane. Dutch investigators said Tuesday that fragments of a suspected Russian missile system were found at the crash site in Ukraine. In a joint statement following the new evidence, the JIT and Dutch Safety Board cautiously said that “the parts are of particular interest to the criminal investigation as they can possibly provide more information about who was involved in the crash of MH17.”

A report by the Dutch Safety Board into the cause of the crash is expected by the end of October, while the separate international criminal investigation is likely to take several more months to complete.

On July 29, Russia vetoed a United Nations Security Council draft resolution — introduced by Malaysia — that would have set up an international tribunal to prosecute those suspected of downing the passenger plane. Moscow said the measure was a biased and politically motivated propaganda move to implicate the Kremlin or the Russia-backed Ukrainian separatists.

Photo credit: BULENT KILIC/AFP/Getty Images




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