Ann Coulter: ‘If You Compare White Populations,’ U.S. Has Same Murder Rate As Belgium

[theworldismine13]

basically I find both what Ann said and what you said as off color cause it discounts minorities as an integral part of the country. I do think we can make comparisons demographically within a country but the aspect of "well, the country's stats would be ok if you just counted white folk..." rather raises my mental eyebrows.

i have no idea what you are talking nor do i care that it raises your eyebrows, what i am saying is that minorities arent part of the mainstream educational system, broadly speaking, and they need to be for the us to be competitive, to me that is obvious from looking at the test scores and demographics

 

[zerozero]

i have no idea what you are talking nor do i care that it raises your eyebrows, what i am saying is that minorities arent part of the mainstream educational system, broadly speaking, and they need to be for the us to be competitive, to me that is obvious from looking at the test scores and demographics

you are seriously rewriting what you said and you are being noncommittal on what Ann said, which is an exact parallel .

 

[theworldismine13]

you are seriously rewriting what you said and you are being noncommittal on what Ann said, which is an exact parallel .

what part is it that im rewriting?

ann coulter says things to be deliberately provactive, and its a hyperbolic statement that may or not be true depending on what type of murders you are talking about and what kind of white people you are talking about, i think its a statement, im not not lsoing sleep over it,

i do think its legit to breakdown crime by demographics to establish patterns

but what you do with facts is whats important, facts stand by themselves, im actually not sure whether she is factually correct or not

 

[MeachTheMonster]

If we look at it from a poverty standpoint. Impoverished minorities outperform impoverished whites. It's not a case of minorities "not being part of the mainstream educational system" or being more violent. it's a case of poverty and all the problems that come with it being more common with minorities.

 

[jerniebert]

She's so crazy that she's become entertaining to me now.

 

[theworldismine13]

If we look at it from a poverty standpoint. Impoverished minorities outperform impoverished whites. It's not a case of minorities "not being part of the mainstream educational system" or being more violent. it's a case of poverty and all the problems that come with it being more common with minorities.

thats definitely false, poor whites outperform poor blacks, and the same thing happens in the middle class, the only way that statement can be even close to true is if you include asians in the minorities

if we keep on insisting its not related to race i dont think you will get tot he bottom of it

 

[MeachTheMonster]

thats definitely false, poor whites outperform poor blacks, and the same thing happens in the middle class, the only way that statement can be even close to true is if you include asians in the minorities

if we keep on insisting its not related to race i dont think you will get tot he bottom of it

Poor Funding to Blame for Minority Students' Educational Inequity - Yahoo! News

Blame for School Achievement Gap Misplaced | National Education Policy Center

 

[KillSpray]

If we look at it from a poverty standpoint. Impoverished minorities outperform impoverished whites. It's not a case of minorities "not being part of the mainstream educational system" or being more violent. it's a case of poverty and all the problems that come with it being more common with minorities.

this in interesting. the place where things get confusing is, what should be done about that? is it up to government to address poverty, or do these communities have to address their poverty?

 

[MeachTheMonster]

this in interesting. the place where things get confusing is, what should be done about that? is it up to government to address poverty, or do these communities have to address their poverty?

I think it's both. The communities have to work hard which a lot of them are, but also the opportunities have to be there. Doesn't matter how hard the communities work if the goverment won't find the schools nothing will change.

 

[theworldismine13]

Poor Funding to Blame for Minority Students' Educational Inequity - Yahoo! News

Blame for School Achievement Gap Misplaced | National Education Policy Center

where do any of of those reports (i use that term loosely cuz the first link is just an opinion piece) contradict my statement that poor whites outperform poor blacks and the same in the middle class?

 

[MeachTheMonster]

where do any of of those reports (i use that term loosely cuz the first link is just an opinion piece) contradict my statement that poor whites outperform poor blacks and the same in the middle class?

Do you have a link to prove your assertion?

The fact is there is a direct correlation between income level and graduation rate. And that correlation holds true no matter what race the students are.

 

[theworldismine13]

Do you have a link to prove your assertion?

The fact is there is a direct correlation between income level and graduation rate. And that correlation holds true no matter what race the students are.

it is definitely true that there is a direct corelation between income and academic achievement i wasnt disputing that

i would have to look it up for an actual link to what i said

 

[theworldismine13]

this isnt "proof" but its a good story
Trying to bridge the grade divide - Los Angeles Times

 

[MeachTheMonster]

it is definitely true that there is a direct corelation between income and academic achievement i wasnt disputing that

i would have to look it up for an actual link to what i said

I've been looking too. It's so hard to find real information on the subject.

But looking at poverty rates and graduation rates it would seem that minorities should be doing much worse. White graduation rates have decreased while their poverty rates have also decreased. Minority graduation rates have increased while their poverty rates have decreased as well.

 

[OneManGang]

i have no idea what you are talking nor do i care that it raises your eyebrows, what i am saying is that minorities arent part of the mainstream educational system, broadly speaking, and they need to be for the us to be competitive, to me that is obvious from looking at the test scores and demographics

i dont agree with anybody about anything, the question was asked will the US stay on top and i pointed out the test scores of minorities portends a us decline because the minority population is growing, education is key to competitiveness and you essentially have a growing class of people that are not part of the education system

so the point is that for the us to stay on top it has to bring up the test scores and other stats concerning african americans and latinos in the us

do you have a problem confronting reality?

Gonna have to agree with TWISM on this one. Reality of the situation is whites, and asians outperform minorities in academia. There are a plethora of reasons as to why that is...we could go on for days about what those are....but to fix the problem we have to take off the blinders and confront the reality. We suck at education for the most part. Need only look at our graduation rates and male attendances in universities.