Anderson Silva suspended again due to potential USADA doping violation

[Roman Brady]

To each his/her own but I think Silva still has alot of fight left in him. He won that Bisping fight imo


40 yrs old for one man doesn't necessarily mean its the same 40 for the next.

to the naked eye and if you want to grade damage but unfortunately all that means diddly squat under the unified rules and he received a nice L. Against bisbing of all ppl do you know how embarrassing that is? He should never put himself in a position to have these younger cats make a name off him.

And you must not be paying attention to his last few fights, the reflexes and nimbleness has gone he's now gunshy and trapped in his own head. Its why he lost to bisbing and nearly lost to Brunson. That is the fighter he is today, you can have all the fight left if you can't pull the trigger or have no chin what good is it?

 

[Skip b]

nikka tarnishing is legacy with this dumb shyt.

He tarnished his legacy losing to a sloppy cac.....We been stop claiming him

 

[LevelUp]

He tarnished his legacy losing to a sloppy cac..

 

[Canon]

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Why can't they stay off the stuff? Natural training is that difficult?

Honestly, kind of.

I train with 2 middleweights at my gym. One in the UFC and one in Bellator. One of them I would bet my life on is using something. The other I'm not as sure on.

It's the recovery time. The guy that uses PEDs does cardio and strength and conditioning daily. He does 2 wrestling and jiu-jitsu sessions Tues-Sat, and he does 2 striking sessions Monday-Fri. He has a herniated disc too.

I'm in my early 30's and I'm in B+ level shape, and if I worked out on Monday how he does most days, I would need all of Tuesday to rest. So I could clean up my diet a little bit, and take a few more supplements, but I still would be wrecked the next day. I've done martial arts for 20 years, and there's just a level that guys are able to train at that are juicing versus when they aren't.

I've never had an MMA guy admit it to me, but juicing is VERY prevalent in BJJ and submission wrestling (there's little to no testing for PEDs, and juicing is not a taboo in Brazil) so I've had several jiu-jitsu players admit to me they were juicing. And seeing how much harder they can train and how little time they need to recover when using PEDs? I can't imagine any natural athlete being able to beat with someone in the same weight class, with a similar skill level, that made the decision to use PEDs.

I've seen a few guys in the past 15 years in jiu-jitsu that weren't juicing beat a few guys that were, but it's been incredibly rare.

In MMA I imagine it's about the same.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

to the naked eye and if you want to grade damage but unfortunately all that means diddly squat under the unified rules and he received a nice L. Against bisbing of all ppl do you know how embarrassing that is? He should never put himself in a position to have these younger cats make a name off him.

And you must not be paying attention to his last few fights, the reflexes and nimbleness has gone he's now gunshy and trapped in his own head. Its why he lost to bisbing and nearly lost to Brunson. That is the fighter he is today, you can have all the fight left if you can't pull the trigger or have no chin what good is it?

The one thing I'll say about the bolded is that very few guys actually are able to avoid this. Unfortunately, in combat sports (as you know because you're one of the best posters in here) in young make their names by the old being fed to them. That's just how it is. It's fukked up and it's not pretty, but that's how the game goes. I've seen very few elite fighters actually get out of the game without having at least a couple young bucks tear them up on the way out.

GSP was actually my prime example of someone that did it perfectly, and the fight against Bisping was amazing, but I have a feeling that GSP is going to eat a really bad loss within the next 18-24 months. Fortunately, I think he'll retire whenever that happens.

BJ Penn broke my fukking heart over and over again. I wanted BJ to retire after the Nick Diaz loss, and definitely after the Rory loss, but he had to keep coming back for more punishment. fukked up thing is BJ got robbed in that first Frankie Edgar fight, and if he'd just stayed at 155 instead of trying to fight all those welterweight monsters, I think his career could have ended a lot smoother.

EDIT:
B.J. Penn - Wikipedia

 

[Roman Brady]

The one thing I'll say about the bolded is that very few guys actually are able to avoid this. Unfortunately, in combat sports (as you know because you're one of the best posters in here) in young make their names by the old being fed to them. That's just how it is. It's fukked up and it's not pretty, but that's how the game goes. I've seen very few elite fighters actually get out of the game without having at least a couple young bucks tear them up on the way out.

GSP was actually my prime example of someone that did it perfectly, and the fight against Bisping was amazing, but I have a feeling that GSP is going to eat a really bad loss within the next 18-24 months. Fortunately, I think he'll retire whenever that happens.

BJ Penn broke my fukking heart over and over again. I wanted BJ to retire after the Nick Diaz loss, and definitely after the Rory loss, but he had to keep coming back for more punishment. fukked up thing is BJ got robbed in that first Frankie Edgar fight, and if he'd just stayed at 155 instead of trying to fight all those welterweight monsters, I think his career could have ended a lot smoother.

EDIT:
B.J. Penn - Wikipedia

There is a difference between what GSP did to Hughes or Stevenson did to yves Edwards and Silva (post Weidman) tho. The 2 (former) examples are as you described the price of prize fighting silva's isnt. Dude has gone on the mic and publicly stated his time for going for belts is over. That he's old and he just wants to mix it up with the young guys now. That is a dude that is purposely sacrificing his legacy to collect a pay cheque. And it all stems from the 15 fight contract he greedily signed in 2014, in hindsight it was a poisoned chalice

 

[AceAge]

Honestly, kind of.

I train with 2 middleweights at my gym. One in the UFC and one in Bellator. One of them I would bet my life on is using something. The other I'm not as sure on.

It's the recovery time. The guy that uses PEDs does cardio and strength and conditioning daily. He does 2 wrestling and jiu-jitsu sessions Tues-Sat, and he does 2 striking sessions Monday-Fri. He has a herniated disc too.

I'm in my early 30's and I'm in B+ level shape, and if I worked out on Monday how he does most days, I would need all of Tuesday to rest. So I could clean up my diet a little bit, and take a few more supplements, but I still would be wrecked the next day. I've done martial arts for 20 years, and there's just a level that guys are able to train at that are juicing versus when they aren't.

I've never had an MMA guy admit it to me, but juicing is VERY prevalent in BJJ and submission wrestling (there's little to no testing for PEDs, and juicing is not a taboo in Brazil) so I've had several jiu-jitsu players admit to me they were juicing. And seeing how much harder they can train and how little time they need to recover when using PEDs? I can't imagine any natural athlete being able to beat with someone in the same weight class, with a similar skill level, that made the decision to use PEDs.

I've seen a few guys in the past 15 years in jiu-jitsu that weren't juicing beat a few guys that were, but it's been incredibly rare.

In MMA I imagine it's about the same.

it sounds like the game is rigged.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

There is a difference between what GSP did to Hughes or Stevenson did to yves Edwards and Silva (post Weidman) tho. The 2 (former) examples are as you described the price of prize fighting silva's isnt. Dude has gone on the mic and publicly stated his time for going for belts is over. That he's old and he just wants to mix it up with the young guys now. That is a dude that is purposely sacrificing his legacy to collect a pay cheque. And it all stems from the 15 fight contract he greedily signed in 2014, in hindsight it was a poisoned chalice

I had no idea about that.



That's fukking crazy.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of that move. That's kind of sad.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

it sounds like the game is rigged.

It is breh.

One of the big arguments against making PEDs legal is that it will put pressure on people that don't want to use them to use them, but I sort of feel like that pressure is already there.

I'm torn. On one level I'd love to see a clean sport, but I also know we never will, and part of me just wants to see the fukkery of everybody out there on PEDs.

I do think usage in the UFC is probably down a bit since USADA. But in the other leagues?



Yo, did you see what the PRIDE drug test covered?

Inoue's Pride FC contract: Steroids not tested for

 

[AceAge]

It is breh.

One of the big arguments against making PEDs legal is that it will put pressure on people that don't want to use them to use them, but I sort of feel like that pressure is already there.

I'm torn. On one level I'd love to see a clean sport, but I also know we never will, and part of me just wants to see the fukkery of everybody out there on PEDs.

I do think usage in the UFC is probably down a bit since USADA. But in the other leagues?



Yo, did you see what the PRIDE drug test covered?

Inoue's Pride FC contract: Steroids not tested for

So what I'm seeing is as long as you don't do weed coke or heroin then you can use whatever steroids you want?
That is so unfair to natural competitors.

 

[Vilify]

Silva really destroyed his legacy racking up L's Non-Stop

1st he gets KTFO while clowning
2nd he suffers a traumatic leg break
3rd he gets caught doping
4th he loses to Bisping
5th he gets caught doping again.

 

[Big Boss]

He tarnished his legacy losing to a sloppy cac.....We been stop claiming him

 

[Primetime]

nikka tarnishing is legacy with this dumb shyt.

It's "been" tarnished only difference is before you could give him the benefit of the doubt that it was just to rehabilitate his shin injury. If this turns out to be another steroid then it's indisputable he was on the gear during his reign of terror

He tarnished his legacy losing to a sloppy cac.....We been stop claiming him

All of this. I still remember before the first Weidman fight how my major concern was that Anderson was going to take the Jon Jones superfight and get his ass whooped to end his career

Like for some reason i thought he only had like 2-3 fights left in his career and since Bones, Silva and GSP were the 3 "GOAT" nominees at the time, i was mad at the idea that GSP would sit back while Jones/Silva put their winning streaks on the line against each other. I wanted Silva/GSP to happen first, as unlikely as everyone was saying it was.

Turns out GSP would end up the winner of the 3 after all

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Silva really destroyed his legacy racking up L's Non-Stop

1st he gets KTFO while clowning
2nd he suffers a traumatic leg break
3rd he gets caught doping
4th he loses to Bisping
5th he gets caught doping again.

Daps. But honestly his first Weidman loss he didn't fukk up quite as bad as people thought. Silva would've been okay against most people. He did that shyt all the time and leaned back side to side.

The problem was, instead of throwing left right left right, Weidman threw left right right left. So the consecutive rights made it so Silva leaned into the final left.

I still think Silva fukked up majorly and underestimated Weidman, but Weidman to his credit threw a smart combo instead of a traditional left right left right, that Silva likely would have dodged.