Ancient astronomical observatory unearthed in Georgia

[zerozero]

I'm just tired of these "alternative" non-educated motherfukkers making these pseudo-filled facebook status comments without backing anything up.

Nothing new under the sun? What about a fukking particle smasher and replicates and let's science understand the fundamental aspects of nature? Was that in the pyramids somewhere?

Instead of challenging people to back up their statements, you guys just sit back and nod your head like these people are saying something meaningful and profound.

I did agree with with his comment to some degree. I don't embrace the Noble Savage myth but I was impressed that Native Americans had built this thing and it points to their depth and mystery as a culture and society. You are excited about materialistic types of progress--we got a telescope, we got the germ theory of disease, we got the large hadron collider, etc. -- I am too, but I'm not sure it changes life in a profound way all that much.

My comment was more general though, I've seen your coli career make an intense switch into totally embracing a sort of transcendent obsession with humanistic intelligence; you got the brain avi, the 'earth' location, going into threads and telling people their accomplishments are baseline, being a complete constitutional literalist , etc... this combined with your earlier stated affection for Sam Harris and cultural cross analysis just makes me think you're going through a phase of hyperfetishizing science, math, the enlightenment etc. It's just something I noticed in a heuristic way rather than in an analytical way. I may be wrong and you may just be like this for the rest of your life but I kinda doubt it, it seems like a subconscious identity construction based on an rationalist aesthetic

 

[Type Username Here]

I did agree with with his comment to some degree. I don't embrace the Noble Savage myth but I was impressed that Native Americans had built this thing and it points to their depth and mystery as a culture and society. You are excited about materialistic types of progress--we got a telescope, we got the germ theory of disease, we got the large hadron collider, etc. -- I am too, but I'm not sure it changes life in a profound way all that much.

Brother 00, I got love for you breh, but this is just some shyt right here. Are you telling me germ theory, electricity, advancements in biology and medicine, magnetism, and calculus didn't change life in a profound way?

Seriously?

My comment was more general though, I've seen your coli career make an intense switch into totally embracing a sort of transcendent obsession with humanistic intelligence; you got the brain avi, the 'earth' location, going into threads and telling people their accomplishments are baseline, being a complete constitutional literalist , etc... this combined with your earlier stated affection for Sam Harris and cultural cross analysis just makes me think you're going through a phase of hyperfetishizing science, math, the enlightenment etc. It's just something I noticed in a heuristic way rather than in an analytical way. I may be wrong and you may just be like this for the rest of your life but I kinda doubt it, it seems like a subconscious identity construction based on an rationalist aesthetic

When people act like science, math, and philosophy are not to be held in the highest regarded, I just don't know what to say to that. I'd argue those 3 things, along with emotion and art, are the quintessential purposes of sentient beings.

 

[zerozero]

Brother 00, I got love for you breh, but this is just some shyt right here. Are you telling me germ theory, electricity, advancements in biology and medicine, magnetism, and calculus didn't change life in a profound way?

Seriously?

Definitely possible man. I'm always going back and forth on this but these days the "things don't really change" side of the scale is heavier for me. From an existential perspective I don't think it'd really make a difference whether one was born when the neanderthals were around or later in the aztec empire or today in some uzbek city, psychologically we're pretty much the same, socially we have our family / community / leadership units, all that matters is whether you're safe and comfortable for a certain period of time or not. heck the 20th century is a pretty bad place to leave a human being if we're going to count deaths by poison gas, lung cancer, heart disease, or just jumping out the window of your soul-crushing office building one day

 

[Type Username Here]

So the needs for survival/worship and the likes changed? The practices and actions of these civilizations been the same since B.C

They have not.

In the aspect of technological advancement, we still haven't learn the majority of their knowledge.

We only expanded and provided a means to write down and describe the laws of nature that plagued them.

I want to know TUH, where is the disagreement with this?

You are making a blanket statement that is false. Our ancestors did many great things, but they were not more advanced and did not know more than we do now. I mean, do you really know what Isaac Newton did?

Everything is the same from sex, murder, science which as I stated we are not touching them and religion. What changed?

Everything is not the same. For example, the Central American and South American natives were great astronomers and healers. They knew their land extremely well. They had a basic knowledge of botany.

They also killed infants because they thought it would appease the sun, which they thought "circled" the earth.

 

[Serious]

Nah friend, no hatred towards you. You sound like many of my good friends.

But some of my good friends come out of nowhere with this shyt.

It just isn't true breh.

The time just before, during, and after the Scientific Revolution and Age of Enlightenment expanded our knowledge of everything exponentially. That is just a fact. Sure, some of our ancestors had some fantastic and amazing discoveries, that we later built on and expanded, but to blatantly say there is nothing new under the sun?

That shyt is ridiculous.

Man I always find it crazy how the Native Americans essentially came up with a system of checks and balances......

and their pursuit of curing diseases through plants found in nature....

 

[Outlaw]

This doesn't even make any sense.

Actually it does

 

[88m3]

Ancient?

 

[PewPew]

This thread is a great read!

 

[OsO]

Man I always find it crazy how the Native Americans essentially came up with a system of checks and balances......

and their pursuit of curing diseases through plants found in nature....

oh shyt, is this the first visual book reference on HL?! lol

i think we gotta incorporate this as part of the new standard for citing sources

 

[OsO]

Nah friend, no hatred towards you. You sound like many of my good friends.

But some of my good friends come out of nowhere with this shyt.

It just isn't true breh.

The time just before, during, and after the Scientific Revolution and Age of Enlightenment expanded our knowledge of everything exponentially. That is just a fact. Sure, some of our ancestors had some fantastic and amazing discoveries, that we later built on and expanded, but to blatantly say there is nothing new under the sun?

That shyt is ridiculous.

i feel where youre coming from... and i also see leasys point as well.

many ancient traditions uncovered a lot of this knowledge already to some degree, but it may have just come under a different name

the ancients taught for thousands of years that all things in existence are connected internally. and now quantum physics has reported on things like the vacuum or zero point field, which is a field of energy in which we all have our existence, and thus we are all connected through.

the ancient taught mind over matter and the use of one's thoughts to manipulate reality, now you have physics describing how atoms and electrons are altered and affected by human consciousness.

the ancients taught we live in a universe full of infinite energy, and einstein came with e=mc2, which is such an enormous amount of energy that it would seem infinite to humans.

the dogon knew about sirius A and B hundreds of years before the europeans did, and before there was even a telescope.

and if we really had a full understanding of how the pyramids were built then i think that would also clear up whether the ancients knew about the gravitational constant lol

these are a few examples and there are more.

and im not trying to discredit any modern discoveries, or rediscoveries, that may come under a different name or a different context... i just want you to see where the brotha leasy is coming from

 

[Type Username Here]

i feel where youre coming from... and i also see leasys point as well.

many ancient traditions uncovered a lot of this knowledge already to some degree, but it may have just come under a different name

the ancients taught for thousands of years that all things in existence are connected internally. and now quantum physics has reported on things like the vacuum or zero point field, which is a field of energy in which we all have our existence, and thus we are all connected through.

the ancient taught mind over matter and the use of one's thoughts to manipulate reality, now you have physics describing how atoms and electrons are altered and affected by human consciousness.

the ancients taught we live in a universe full of infinite energy, and einstein came with e=mc2, which is such an enormous amount of energy that it would seem infinite to humans.

the dogon knew about sirius A and B hundreds of years before the europeans did, and before there was even a telescope.

and if we really had a full understanding of how the pyramids were built then i think that would also clear up whether the ancients knew about the gravitational constant lol

these are a few examples and there are more.

and im not trying to discredit any modern discoveries, or rediscoveries, that may come under a different name or a different context... i just want you to see where the brotha leasy is coming from

I don't understand why people have to make these blanket statements though. It's disingenuous. Human Knowledge has been an ever growing process from the start, built on top of other findings and serving as pillars for the next generation.

To discredit anyone is silly. I love history. I love the history of math especially. Our ancestors were masters before technology. We should be extremely grateful for their contributions to philosophy, mathematics, science, astronomy, medicine and the like. It doesn't mean everything they said was right. It doesn't mean they had discovered everything. Far from it actually.

For example: The Greeks, my favorite ancient civilization, were absolutely dominant in geometry, trigonometry and other maths. Yet, they still couldn't prove that the number pi or square root of two was irrational. They came close but they couldn't determine it, even though they suspect it. Their philosophers understood the concept of an atom, but they couldn't prove it. It took damn 1500+ years for advancements in knowledge to truly prove and determine those things.

Why rob 1500 years of hard work and human achievement by making blanket statements that are disingenuous? That's all I am asking.

 

[Serious]

Why rob 1500 years of hard work and human achievement by making blanket statements that are disingenuous? That's all I am asking.

I think my only gripe, when it comes to your philosophy, about the scientific revolution / enlightenment is that like math, there's more than one way of doing things.

And I feel like Native Americans were on the verge of something epic and they were greatly striped of their potential / power due to European / Western influence. I just try to imagine what they would have came up with in another 50-200 years.

I mean these cats were doing, open heart / brain surgeries while Europeans during the Enlightenment thought leeches sucking blood out people was a cure for everything

Who's wrong there......

The power who may not understand what an atom,molecule,electron,neutron etc is yet are finding natural cures for diseases like scurvy in the wild


or

The great philosophers who were going through the Enlightenment, while Europe was going a very unsanitized time period, where diseases like TB and Small Pox, were wiping out generations...

 

[Leasy]

i feel where youre coming from... and i also see leasys point as well.

many ancient traditions uncovered a lot of this knowledge already to some degree, but it may have just come under a different name

the ancients taught for thousands of years that all things in existence are connected internally. and now quantum physics has reported on things like the vacuum or zero point field, which is a field of energy in which we all have our existence, and thus we are all connected through.

the ancient taught mind over matter and the use of one's thoughts to manipulate reality, now you have physics describing how atoms and electrons are altered and affected by human consciousness.

the ancients taught we live in a universe full of infinite energy, and einstein came with e=mc2, which is such an enormous amount of energy that it would seem infinite to humans.

the dogon knew about sirius A and B hundreds of years before the europeans did, and before there was even a telescope.

and if we really had a full understanding of how the pyramids were built then i think that would also clear up whether the ancients knew about the gravitational constant lol

these are a few examples and there are more.

and im not trying to discredit any modern discoveries, or rediscoveries, that may come under a different name or a different context... i just want you to see where the brotha leasy is coming from

I think my only gripe, when it comes to your philosophy, about the scientific revolution / enlightenment is that like math, there's more than one way of doing things.

And I feel like Native Americans were on the verge of something epic and they were greatly striped of their potential / power due to European / Western influence. I just try to imagine what they would have came up with in another 50-200 years.

I mean these cats were doing, open heart / brain surgeries while Europeans during the Enlightenment thought leeches sucking blood out people was a cure for everything

Who's wrong there......

The power who may not understand what an atom,molecule,electron,neutron etc is yet are finding natural cures for diseases like scurvy in the wild


or

The great philosophers who were going through the Enlightenment, while Europe was going a very unsanitized time period, where diseases like TB and Small Pox, were wiping out generations...

Beautiful..... Please bear I am typing on touch screen phone because I am not using my job network.

Technically we as a people of this generation is not evolving but devoling. We created the process of computing with microchips and possibly space travel (possible) but we haven't created anything besides that which will benefit humankind. We have no knowledge anything of importance and that is not to say we are idiots but in our society greed and materalistic wealth is more important than knowledge. We teach schools in a linear fashion of repition which shows mo benefit of anything. Our pollution of Earth is a topic of a different matter... We are still using religion from the past... We have hidden and destroy history and the study of the spiritual which have more power than anything. Just alot of things we have regressed.

Just wanted to add this.

 

[Megatron Island]

I think my only gripe, when it comes to your philosophy, about the scientific revolution / enlightenment is that like math, there's more than one way of doing things.

And I feel like Native Americans were on the verge of something epic and they were greatly striped of their potential / power due to European / Western influence. I just try to imagine what they would have came up with in another 50-200 years.

I mean these cats were doing, open heart / brain surgeries while Europeans during the Enlightenment thought leeches sucking blood out people was a cure for everything

Who's wrong there......

The power who may not understand what an atom,molecule,electron,neutron etc is yet are finding natural cures for diseases like scurvy in the wild


or

The great philosophers who were going through the Enlightenment, while Europe was going a very unsanitized time period, where diseases like TB and Small Pox, were wiping out generations...

Great point, that's like asking who is smarter between these two:
Edward Witten - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Vs
Terence Tao - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Keep in mind Ed Witten was a History and Linguistics major (earned his Bachelor's) before he became physicist. If you were a scientist at that time and met him at some party while he was talking history, you would've thought you were way smarter than him, and felt more important.

 

[ItalianoCAC]

human ingenuity

we don't give our ancestors enough credit, and the whole "Ancient Aliens" thing kinds irks me.