An evolving thought: nondenominational affectional/sexual orientation

[Yuzo Lightheart]

never said that sex isnt pleasurable or that people shouldnt be promiscuous or selfish for that matter. they can. its just that these kinds of traits have certain consequences in my own opinion.

just because things feel good it doesnt mean they actually are good just by merit of that alone

 

[blatantlyobvious]

Your own outlook is kinda fukked up to be honest. You seem more concerned with passing on genes than you would be with actually caring for a child and showing it unconditional love.

Everyone has sex strictly for pleasure. Literally everyone. A boy wetting his dikk for the first time isn't intending to make babies. Neither is a man who already has kids but wants to have sex with his wife.

I believe the obsession with having kids is the reason so many marriages are failing. People are marrying with the intent of having kids, rather than the intent of living the rest of their life with that one person. After the kids, then what? You still have to live with the person. Kids add to a marriage, but they shouldn't be the foundation for one.

I am almost 100% certain that not everyone has sex simply for pleasure, as some people literally wait until they find "the right one" or are in love before they lose their virginity (regardless of sexual orientation).

Another thing to consider is that not "everyone" even has sex. There are nuns, monks, asexuals, and simply people who cannot have sex that do not have sex. So to try and pass that statement off as universal truth is logically fallacious.

Also, it is traditional for some cultures and religions to marry for the sake of their (future) children to prevent having children out of wedlock.

I do agree that there are some people that don't really care about having kids when having sex, nor do they care about the unplanned child when it's born; hence the high volume of single parents with negligent partners abandoning their kids. This is probably out of some unspoken fear of responsibility, or because they simply don't give a floating fukk. [Shrugging]

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[blatantlyobvious]

Where your premise fails is that there are no examples of actual homosexuality in the wild. Yes some animals exhibit homosexual behavior, but there is no animal on earth who's lifestyle dictates that they will only have intercourse with the same gender. What we call sexuality in humans is bonding in animals. For humans we don't need to have sex to form these bonds. Plenty of men have strong bonds with friends and family members of the same gender without actually engaging in sexual activity. Same sex animals may have intercourse for plenty of reasons, sometimes its just pure confusion, sometimes it's for practice, sometimes it's to create a strong bond between mates, and sometimes it's some type of birth defect/abnormality, but the end game is always to find the opposite sex and reproduce.

Furthermore 1500 out of millions of species isn't exactly "normal". Plenty of species kill their babies is that "normal" for humans? And yes women born without eggs and men born without sperm are unnatural species. They can't reproduce and the genes that cause those defects won't get passed on.

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Yes, it's normal for humans to kill their babies. This is exemplified by abortions. There are even a large amount of people that (1) sacrifice their children for some ceremonial reasons, also (2) parents that just kill their children because they're psychotic and "can't deal".

As for your argument suggesting that I'm not proving that animals are homosexual: the mere fact that animals exhibit homosexual behaviors (i.e. same-sex sex) is homosexual by instance, making homosexual behavior undoubtedly homosexuality -- just not as an orientation. But even beyond that, you're failing to recognize that affectional orientation is simply a part of human and animal sexuality. There's sexual identification/identity, sexual behavior, and affectional/sexual orientation -- each distinguished.

Lastly and furthermore, you may not have read the article -- or have done any research on sexuality at all -- but there are species of dolphins and monkeys that are endowed with the capacity to be affectionally oriented; meaning they form non-heterosexual relationships with members of the same sex much like we humans do.

What more must I say? As I've stated before, you're in denial of non-heterosexuality being a natural variant of human sexuality, and I don't know why. I do know that it's your own personal problem, though, and that there isn't much more I care to say on the matter since you clearly aren't accepting it for what it is, what it always has been, and what it's going to always be...

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[blatantlyobvious]

do you think you would make a good parent

Yes, I do. In fact, I know I would, as I have been raising children all my life (even though they aren't my own) -- none of which are non-heterosexual, by the way.

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[rapdonttweet]

I am almost 100% certain that not everyone has sex simply for pleasure, as some people literally wait until they find "the right one" or are in love before they lose their virginity (regardless of sexual orientation).

Another thing to consider is that not "everyone" even has sex. There are nuns, monks, asexuals, and simply people who cannot have sex that do not have sex. So to try and pass that statement off as universal truth is logically fallacious.

Also, it is traditional for some cultures and religions to marry for the sake of their (future) children to prevent having children out of wedlock.

I do agree that there are some people that don't really care about having kids when having sex, nor do they care about the unplanned child when it's born; hence the high volume of single parents with negligent partners abandoning their kids. This is probably out of some unspoken fear of responsibility, or because they simply don't give a floating fukk. [Shrugging]

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A person who waits until they find love is still having sex for pleasure....unless the specific intent of every sexual encounter is to make babies. Which would be crazy.

Now nuns/monks don't have sex at all. They don't apply to the discussion as we are talking about the people that do. The whole point of my post was to point out that there is nothing inherently wrong with sex for pleasure. Everyone who has sex, does so for pleasure most of the time (assuming they like sex in the first place). You do, I do, and I'm fairly sure Yuzo does, assuming he's not a monk somewhere.

 

[Dwolf]

Summarize nikka!!!! Not reading all that!!!!

 

[Yuzo Lightheart]

A person who waits until they find love is still having sex for pleasure....unless the specific intent of every sexual encounter is to make babies. Which would be crazy.

Now nuns/monks don't have sex at all. They don't apply to the discussion as we are talking about the people that do. The whole point of my post was to point out that there is nothing inherently wrong with sex for pleasure. Everyone who has sex, does so for pleasure most of the time (assuming they like sex in the first place). You do, I do, and I'm fairly sure Yuzo does, assuming he's not a monk somewhere.

thats true but everything has a limit, which is on you to decide, but whatever your decision it will have consequences based in reality not just whatever you wish reality would be. you dont have to keep saying sex feels good thats all rhetorical and not something i was disagreeing with

the interesting statement in this thread was in the original post which went something along the lines of i dont think this generation is capable of actual love

thats what triggered my responses. thats a legitimate criticism when you consider things like plummeting marriage rates, 50% divorce rate, the culture of the internet (ie digital narcissism), young kids growing up watching porn from a very early age and becoming oversexed etc

 

[MeachTheMonster]

From the bottom to the top:
Yes, it's normal for humans to kill their babies. This is exemplified by abortions. There are even a large amount of people that (1) sacrifice their children for some ceremonial reasons, also (2) parents that just kill their children because they're psychotic and "can't deal".

As for your argument suggesting that I'm not proving that animals are homosexual: the mere fact that animals exhibit homosexual behaviors (i.e. same-sex sex) is homosexual by instance, making homosexual behavior undoubtedly homosexuality -- just not as an orientation. But even beyond that, you're failing to recognize that affectional orientation is simply a part of human and animal sexuality. There's sexual identification/identity, sexual behavior, and affectional/sexual orientation -- each distinguished.

Lastly and furthermore, you may not have read the article -- or have done any research on sexuality at all -- but there are species of dolphins and monkeys that are endowed with the capacity to be affectionally oriented; meaning they form non-heterosexual relationships with members of the same sex much like we humans do.

What more must I say? As I've stated before, you're in denial of non-heterosexuality being a natural variant of human sexuality, and I don't know why. I do know that it's your own personal problem, though, and that there isn't much more I care to say on the matter since you clearly aren't accepting it for what it is, what it always has been, and what it's going to always be...

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What your calling homosexuality in the wild, is the equivalent to humans having roommates.

Yes some dolphins and primates shack up with the same sex, but they are always looking to find females and to reproduce.

The humans species forms emotional bonds through our language, our care for each other, common goals etc.

As for your last paragraph it seems as though you should point that at yourself. I don't have a personal problem and I don't feel the need to justify my deviant behavior by trying to prove everyone else is wrong.

You are gay, that's your choice and that's ok, but you should accept that your lifestyle choice is not normal and quit trying to tell other people they are wrong.
Physically mentally and emotional men and women are perfect compliments of each other. That is normal human behavior, nothing you or anyone else says can change that fact.

 

[Mr. Somebody]

I dont see anything about homosexuality as progressive evolution. Its acceptance is just an adaptation to a sick world. Typically, Homosexuals, like endangered species need government protection to exist openly because it is natural for men to attempt to weed them out and subvert them to the lower levels of society. When the government gets involved and sets up demonic barriers between men who would seek to eliminate their presence from influencing culture on such a high level you get where we are today. If things fell apart and government did not have such a heavy presence in the lives of friends in western societies the order of things would change so dramatically for the gay community overnight it would seem like the Twilight Zone for them similar to how cosigning it seems like the Twilight Zone for the people who disagree.

Its an evolution of demonic thought to make the perverse and satanic, normal, like butt injections. Its so demonic, friends.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

but they are always looking to find females and to reproduce.

he/she seems to forget this small simple thing

 

[Slang]

I dont see anything about homosexuality as progressive evolution. Its acceptance is just an adaptation to a sick world. Typically, Homosexuals, like endangered species need government protection to exist openly because it is natural for men to attempt to weed them out and subvert them to the lower levels of society. When the government gets involved and sets up demonic barriers between men who would seek to eliminate their presence from influencing culture on such a high level you get where we are today. If things fell apart and government did not have such a heavy presence in the lives of friends in western societies the order of things would change so dramatically for the gay community overnight it would seem like the Twilight Zone for them similar to how cosigning it seems like the Twilight Zone for the people who disagree.

Its an evolution of demonic thought to make the perverse and satanic, normal, like butt injections. Its so demonic, friends.