An evolving thought: nondenominational affectional/sexual orientation

[Blackking]

Just want to interject real quick and point out that the clitoris does serve a purpose. Pleasure has an evolutionary purpose as it leads to humans seeking sexual intercourse in high volume. If we only had sex for the purpose of reproducing, we would have ceased to exist a long time ago. We're so intelligent that we are in some ways dumb as fukk as well.

@blatantlyobvious

I agree that sex isn't only for reproductive purposes, but reproduction is the reason we have a thing called sex and it's the reason for our reproductive organs. I'd be 'hard' pressed to form an argument as to why a man would develop a penis, just to put it into another man’s anus. There is no evolutionary, biological argument there.

We can't point to every abnormality in nature to formulate a case as to why something should be accepted as normal. If I killed my sons, I'm not going to say, "well fukk I only want ladies in my pack, and that's normal, lions do it" !

Women have clits for pleasure and also encouragement...the encouragement however is to reproduce - as you say, we would have ceased to exist. Just like our ability to determine what is detrimental is another survival technique.

 

[blatantlyobvious]

no spellcheck rightnow. on phone, but...


lol, it's not natural. The discrimnaton doesn't come from the entire world randomly coming to a consensus about chastising the gays. Why do you think that for most of history homo hasn't been accepted as normal? Has nothing to do with religion either.

The same reason, most of the world wouldn't think it's OK for a person to have sex with a human toddler, or a dog, monkey, lizards, and dolphins. People, for the most part, can agree that the male parts fit into the females parts and that can usually produce children, and survival of the species. IF you actually look at the thousands of things that have to fall into place to even produce a baby, you will see that that is what is natural.

There are openly gay people in my family. I wasn't raised with discrimination. I don't even discriminate actually. I basically just know that it simply doesn't make sense to say it's natural. You can't say, look at nature and just because there are VERY rare cases of gay sh1t in nature- then say that it must be natural. We are in Nature, we are a part of nature... we don't need to point to animals. Not only do we natually don't participate in homo activities without hormanol inbalances and genetic defects, or child hood abuse... We don't usually find it particularly useful with our survival as a species. I thought it was painfully obvious as why the recent surge in Gay convo and push for acceptance-- Its not because we are mentally evolving, it's because we are comforable, internationally connected, saturated with media, and now more than ever aren't leaning on our natural instincts for survival. If we were a True part of 'nature' then we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

And for symantics sakes-- LETS say that it's natural. Well, so is mental retardation in that sense of the word natural. So is Albonism. So is parents killing offspring for various reasons. All- either not idea for society or detrimental to the individual.

10 gays on an island isolated.. come back in 200 years, probably wont be one homo on the island. Unless you want to state that homosexuality is taught.

[sighs]
Dude, I really am in total disbelief right now... Like, I swear it's to the point to where I'm starting to believe you're: (1) not reading anything I'm posting; (2) reading it, but simply not giving a fukk about the content; (3) trolling me; (4) mentally incapacitated to a small degree; and/or (5) all of the above.

What more can I say?

Apparently, you're in denial... So hard that you refuse to support your outlandish claims with anything logically sound (probably because you're aware of just how ridiculous they are). But I will not attack your character in this debate. That'd be fallacious.

I just think I'm going to have to refuse to debate with you on this furthermore because you're being blatantly ignorant and it's becoming circular with me proving you wrong more and more in different ways, and you reiterating over and over trying to advocate against fact. Lol.

You can't save them all. [shrug]Yeezy[/shrug]

When you find some sound facts to support support your fallacies, please come back and try this again. Remember to cite your references I'm some way so I can follow them to see if your sources are credible, relevant, and sound.

No hard feelings either, buddy. I'm just not up for the trolling at the moment. I've been typing up A+-worthy essays from my phone for you all day, yet you're still resorting to this circular, nonsensical babble.

I'll wait for a logical response from you, though, because it's hard for me to just give up on people. You aren't hopeless - you're just (1) trolling or (2)extremely naive/ignorant.

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[blatantlyobvious]

@blatantlyobvious

I agree that sex isn't only for reproductive purposes, but reproduction is the reason we have a thing called sex and it's the reason for our reproductive organs. I'd be 'hard' pressed to form an argument as to why a man would develop a penis, just to put it into another man’s anus. There is no evolutionary, biological argument there.

We can't point to every abnormality in nature to formulate a case as to why something should be accepted as normal. If I killed my sons, I'm not going to say, "well fukk I only want ladies in my pack, and that's normal, lions do it" !

Women have clits for pleasure and also encouragement...the encouragement however is to reproduce - as you say, we would have ceased to exist. Just like our ability to determine what is detrimental is another survival technique.

[see other response]
You aren't dumb, so stop pretending to be, please.

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[blatantlyobvious]

i read the last one... and i agree

How can you sit here and say you agree to something that you've been negating all day? [facepalm]

Dude, how old are you? [shakes head in dismay]

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[Blackking]

[see other response]
You aren't dumb, so stop pretending to be, please.

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You really haven't proven a point about homo being natural, normal, or made a case as to why it's acceptable. I made simple points and the why the opposite is obviously the case. I really didn't think you would get upset. Shame.

Dumb is making "logical" arguments like, it's in nature, so look its natural. Or saying it's rare, not normal, and genetics are different in some cases.. bu but but it's not a disorder.

It's ok though, don't get sassy with me bro I don't dislike gay people and I'm not a hostile... str8 guys also some in every "color of the rainbow" as u put it, lol

 

[Blackking]

How can you sit here and say you agree to something that you've been negating all day? [facepalm]

Dude, how old are you? [shakes head in dismay]

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28, and I guess you can't figure out why out of the four that is the one that I would say I agree with. Not my fault you missed it. Genetic variation isn't always normal, or common, or the way something is supposed to be simply because it rarely exist in a species. SMH.

 

[blatantlyobvious]

You really haven't proven a point about homo being natural, normal, or made a case as to why it's acceptable. I made simple points and the why the opposite is obviously the case. I really didn't think you would get upset. Shame.

Dumb is making "logical" arguments like, it's in nature, so look its natural. Or saying it's rare, not normal, and genetics are different in some cases.. bu but but it's not a disorder.

It's ok though, don't get sassy with me bro I don't dislike gay people and I'm not a hostile... str8 guys also some in every color of the rainbow, lol

#"God"BlessYou
Okay, so I'm on my computer now, and instead of me repeating everything I typed, I am going to provide you with a few links and just let you do some research on your own:

For starters, what is sexuality, and what is sexual orientation?

Sexual Orientation

The WebMD defines sexuality as:

Sexuality is an important part of who we are as humans. Beyond the ability to reproduce, sexuality also defines how we see ourselves and how we physically relate to others. Sexual orientation is a term used to refer to a person's emotional, romantic, and sexual attraction to individuals of a particular gender (male or female).​

How is homosexuality natural (you ask)?

1,500 animal species practice homosexuality

1,500 animal species [not including us] practice homosexuality:
Homosexuality is quite common in the animal kingdom, especially among herding animals. Many animals solve conflicts by practicing same gender sex.​

That's a lot of species of animals in nature exhibiting homosexuality for it to not be natural (not including US); you don't think? You also speak on how it goes against "natural reproduction" since homosexuals cannot "reproduce", but you fail to understand that regardless of how a person is oriented, they can still procreate naturally if they so choose to. Are you implying that women born without ovaries or men with "stale sperm" are unnatural beings since they are unable to reproduce? [shrug]Yeezy[/shrug] Sexual behavior does not define a person's sexual orientation, as a virgin recognizes that they are gay/straight/bi long before being deflowered. In addition to that, a person may experiment with the same sex (for heteros) or the opposite (for homos), for whatever reason (money, situation, "just to try it", and so forth), and still be oriented in a distinguished way.

Is homosexuality normal?

Sexual orientation, homosexuality and bisexuality

Both heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Both have been documented in many different cultures and historical eras. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience. Lesbian, gay, and bisexual relationships are normal forms of human bonding. Therefore, these mainstream organizations long ago abandoned classifications of homosexuality as a mental disorder.​

Should Homosexuality be acceptable?

In an earlier response to you, I spoke of the detriments associated with the discrimination of non-heterosexuals. I discussed the psychological disorders can form because of conflicts in cognition(s) (ego-dystonic sexual orientation disorder; internalized homophobia). I also covered how hard it is for non-heterosexuals to seek out testing/treatment for various virus/diseases because of stigmatization. Lastly, there's also the difficulty of "coming out" (of the closet), which is essential to non-heterosexual establishing comfort with self and sexuality, as well as among those which share similar interests and lifestyles (LGBTQ communities). If this is not enough for you, I can gladly send you a paper I recently wrote for a communications class pertaining to the detriments of non-heterosexual discrimination which places an emphasis on just how important acceptance can be.​

I am not angered by you in anyway, bud--I promise. [bats lashes innocently]
My frustration was derived by the fact that I had to constantly repeat myself over and over--typing all of that over and over on my phone--as it was becoming quite tedious. Now that I am home, and on my computer, I can go back and forth with you all night if you'd like.

Feel free to review the attached links for any bias, too. I am interested in hearing what you have to say in response to this. Will it be the exact same thing you've been rambling on about all day? Hmmm.

Looking forward to it, bro. Good luck.

 

[blatantlyobvious]

28, and I guess you can't figure out why out of the four that is the one that I would say I agree with. Not my fault you missed it. Genetic variation isn't always normal, or common, or the way something is supposed to be simply because it rarely exist in a species. SMH.

Oddly, my dude's the same age as you, and despite him being bisexual, he shared the same outdated views on homosexuality being abnormal. But as time went on and he read my papers, the professional feed back from, well, professionals, and my maintained 4.0 and just grew to understand that I knew what I was talking about.

You, of course, are different in a sense that you're heterosexist, whereas he was unhappy with his sexuality and orientation. Your ideology and logic (or lack thereof) implies that heterosexuality is the only "right" orientation as procreation aligns perfectly with it; meaning everyone should be, or is supposed to be, heterosexual. My thing with that is that you're discrediting the truths. The truths being that people do not have to be emotionally or romantically attracted to someone to have sex with them. Hell, nowadays, they don't even have to be sexually attracted to someone to have sex with them--they can fake it 'til they make it. Just because men are born with penises and women are born with vaginas doesn't mean that a person has to be heterosexually oriented to make use of these sexual organs for sexual purpose; nor does it mean that a person has to be affectionally oriented towards members of the opposite sex in order to find love and happiness.

 

[Blackking]

I'll have to review later... but i will.

I wish u n ur dude the best.

 

[Yuzo Lightheart]

Ooh, great post, bro. I completely agree. That notion can be applied to almost everyone sexually active nowadays. People simply love sex, and they often even look to build relationships based on it. So, this is an evolving thought, buddy. Welcome to the critical thinking clique. [daps]

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do you think you would make a good parent

 

[MeachTheMonster]

#"God"BlessYou
Okay, so I'm on my computer now, and instead of me repeating everything I typed, I am going to provide you with a few links and just let you do some research on your own:

For starters, what is sexuality, and what is sexual orientation?

Sexual Orientation

The WebMD defines sexuality as:

Sexuality is an important part of who we are as humans. Beyond the ability to reproduce, sexuality also defines how we see ourselves and how we physically relate to others. Sexual orientation is a term used to refer to a person's emotional, romantic, and sexual attraction to individuals of a particular gender (male or female).​

How is homosexuality natural (you ask)?

1,500 animal species practice homosexuality

1,500 animal species [not including us] practice homosexuality:
Homosexuality is quite common in the animal kingdom, especially among herding animals. Many animals solve conflicts by practicing same gender sex.​

That's a lot of species of animals in nature exhibiting homosexuality for it to not be natural (not including US); you don't think? You also speak on how it goes against "natural reproduction" since homosexuals cannot "reproduce", but you fail to understand that regardless of how a person is oriented, they can still procreate naturally if they so choose to. Are you implying that women born without ovaries or men with "stale sperm" are unnatural beings since they are unable to reproduce? [shrug]Yeezy[/shrug] Sexual behavior does not define a person's sexual orientation, as a virgin recognizes that they are gay/straight/bi long before being deflowered. In addition to that, a person may experiment with the same sex (for heteros) or the opposite (for homos), for whatever reason (money, situation, "just to try it", and so forth), and still be oriented in a distinguished way.

Is homosexuality normal?

Sexual orientation, homosexuality and bisexuality

Both heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Both have been documented in many different cultures and historical eras. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience. Lesbian, gay, and bisexual relationships are normal forms of human bonding. Therefore, these mainstream organizations long ago abandoned classifications of homosexuality as a mental disorder.​

Should Homosexuality be acceptable?

In an earlier response to you, I spoke of the detriments associated with the discrimination of non-heterosexuals. I discussed the psychological disorders can form because of conflicts in cognition(s) (ego-dystonic sexual orientation disorder; internalized homophobia). I also covered how hard it is for non-heterosexuals to seek out testing/treatment for various virus/diseases because of stigmatization. Lastly, there's also the difficulty of "coming out" (of the closet), which is essential to non-heterosexual establishing comfort with self and sexuality, as well as among those which share similar interests and lifestyles (LGBTQ communities). If this is not enough for you, I can gladly send you a paper I recently wrote for a communications class pertaining to the detriments of non-heterosexual discrimination which places an emphasis on just how important acceptance can be.​

I am not angered by you in anyway, bud--I promise. [bats lashes innocently]
My frustration was derived by the fact that I had to constantly repeat myself over and over--typing all of that over and over on my phone--as it was becoming quite tedious. Now that I am home, and on my computer, I can go back and forth with you all night if you'd like.

Feel free to review the attached links for any bias, too. I am interested in hearing what you have to say in response to this. Will it be the exact same thing you've been rambling on about all day? Hmmm.

Looking forward to it, bro. Good luck.

Where your premise fails is that there are no examples of actual homosexuality in the wild. Yes some animals exhibit homosexual behavior, but there is no animal on earth who's lifestyle dictates that they will only have intercourse with the same gender. What we call sexuality in humans is bonding in animals. For humans we don't need to have sex to form these bonds. Plenty of men have strong bonds with friends and family members of the same gender without actually engaging in sexual activity. Same sex animals may have intercourse for plenty of reasons, sometimes its just pure confusion, sometimes it's for practice, sometimes it's to create a strong bond between mates, and sometimes it's some type of birth defect/abnormality, but the end game is always to find the opposite sex and reproduce.

Furthermore 1500 out of millions of species isn't exactly "normal". Plenty of species kill their babies is that "normal" for humans? And yes women born without eggs and men born without sperm are unnatural species. They can't reproduce and the genes that cause those defects won't get passed on.

 

[rapdonttweet]

the whole point of monogamy is that this is the person you intend to raise children with. how is that supposed to work when people just want to feel good. raising children is a sacrifice and a struggle not something you do just to feel good. thats why monogamy doesnt work when you have a culture that just wants to feel good for the sake of feeling good.

there was a thread in the locker room about clitoral orgasms vs vaginal orgasms and that lead me to realize that most women are just clitoral in their ability to orgasm AND their entire personalities as a whole. the clitoris is just a small penis but unlike a penis the urethra doesnt run through it so it doesnt pass any fluids like sperm or urine. that means that the only thing a clitoris can do is just feel good. it has no other purpose to exist other than to just feel good. thats it.

a lot of women i feel have succumbed to just obeying their clitoris and i think a lot of men today are also very clitoral themselves. people like this (men and women) tend to be more outlandish out of a constant need to feel good (stimulate their clitoris) and just say and do anything to bring about a selfish feeling of reward i noticed. theyre more excited than normal and use more excited style of speaking and expressing themselves a lot

it goes without saying they would make terrible parents. .you have to remember that a clitoris never gave birth to a child. its only function is to feel good. people that are very clitoral basically just use other people/things as a way to masturbate thier clitoris and thats pretty much the entire point of their lives

I don't really get what point you are trying to make. Literally everyone has had sex with the sole purpose being pleasure. We aren't having sex with the intent of making babies, unless its a preconceived decision between a man and a woman. This makes up a tiny portion of the reasons people are having sex. And even the people who are having sex to have kids are also having sex strictly for pleasure. Otherwise they would cease having sex once the kids come.

You're also wrong on the point of monogamy. Many people want a monogamous relationship but aren't interested in raising kids, me included.

 

[Type Username Here]

I don't really get what point you are trying to make. Literally everyone has had sex with the sole purpose being pleasure. We aren't having sex with the intent of making babies, unless its a preconceived decision between a man and a woman. This makes up a tiny portion of the reasons people are having sex. And even the people who are having sex to have kids are also having sex strictly for pleasure. Otherwise they would cease having sex once the kids come.

You're also wrong on the point of monogamy. Many people want a monogamous relationship but aren't interested in raising kids, me included.

Yup. This was my point earlier.

Pleasure serves a purpose to our genes. It increases the chances of us having sex because it feels good, thus directly increasing the possibility of insemination and procreating.

The genes run the show, you're just there for the ride.

 

[Yuzo Lightheart]

I don't really get what point you are trying to make. Literally everyone has had sex with the sole purpose being pleasure. We aren't having sex with the intent of making babies, unless its a preconceived decision between a man and a woman. This makes up a tiny portion of the reasons people are having sex. And even the people who are having sex to have kids are also having sex strictly for pleasure. Otherwise they would cease having sex once the kids come.

You're also wrong on the point of monogamy. Many people want a monogamous relationship but aren't interested in raising kids, me included.

good because your pleasure comes first outlook wouldnt be a good thing to pass on to your kids

 

[rapdonttweet]

good because your pleasure comes first outlook wouldnt be a good thing to pass on to your kids

Your own outlook is kinda fukked up to be honest. You seem more concerned with passing on genes than you would be with actually caring for a child and showing it unconditional love.

Everyone has sex strictly for pleasure. Literally everyone. A boy wetting his dikk for the first time isn't intending to make babies. Neither is a man who already has kids but wants to have sex with his wife.

I believe the obsession with having kids is the reason so many marriages are failing. People are marrying with the intent of having kids, rather than the intent of living the rest of their life with that one person. After the kids, then what? You still have to live with the person. Kids add to a marriage, but they shouldn't be the foundation for one.