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I’ve been trying to find external references to his feud with MLK Jr. outside of Shirlee’s book.

Rev. Taylor was Vice President of the National Baptist Convention.

The NBC had a major feud that resulted in a splinter that created the Progressive National Baptist Convention. King was at the center of that feud.



Seems like King wanted to lead the NBC but got ousted and formed the Progressive National Baptist Convention.

Found some further explanations..



It’s crazy to me that “non-violent protest” would have been considered “militant” by Rev. Taylor’s NBC camp.

Considering Rev. Taylor’s own church...



Dr. Powell was a member of Taylor’s local Baptist network and dedicated Taylor’s church. We know about Powell Jr.’s militancy but it all came from his father.



I’m sure the Powell’s were members of the NBC so this story about the NBC being against non-violent protest doesn’t add up. The above narratives are, of course, from the PNBC camp. Gonna try to find what the NBC has to say on the rift.

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(Wait? A fist fight that led to an elderly minister dying?)

I remember this discussion from the LOG thread. You mentioned a comment that Rev. Taylor made after King passed that raised my eyebrow, and indicated that their issues were PERSONAL.

I have an opinion about how/why the style/actions of the Powell's was an exception within that religious organizations views toward social activism.
Harlem was the center of the English speaking Black world in that era. There was a tradition of protest /activism in NYC started by some of the people mentioned in this thread. Particularly the Black Gotham set. This was before the Black NYC community was centralized in Harlem.
Powell Sr.s quotes and actions were well in line with the proactive nature of the Black community that formed in NYC ,and why Harlem was the nerve center of Black activism for decades.
Other churches under that denomination could push the other line that was mentioned.
 
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I remember this discussion from the LOG thread. You mentioned a comment that Rev. Taylor made after King passed that raised my eyebrow, and indicated that their issues were PERSONAL.

It was. Was trying to find references outside the book. It was the reason why they didn’t want King leading the NBC. I have to find the book. It’s tucked away somewhere.
 

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Broadway's Brooks Atkinson Theatre Will Be Renamed for Lena Horne
Lena Horne



Broadway’s Brooks Atkinson Theatre, currently home to the Tony-nominated SIX: The Musical, will be renamed in honor of the late stage and screen star and activist Lena Horne. The renaming will mark the first time a Broadway theatre has been named for a Black woman.
The Nederlander Organization owns the Brooks Atkinson, one of its nine Broadway theatres. Built in 1926, the venue was renamed for the late, longtime New York Times theatre critic Atkinson in 1960.

The upcoming name change follows an agreement between Black Theater United and Broadway's three major landlords, who each agreed to rename at least one of its Broadway houses for a Black artist. The Shubert Organization previously announced that its Cort Theatre would be renamed for James Earl Jones, while Jujamcyn has a venue named for the late, Pulitzer Prize-winning playwright August Wilson.
Nederlander Organization President James L. Nederlander, whose father, James M. Nederlander, produced Horne's Tony-winning Broadway show, said, “We are proud to take this moment to rename one of our theatres in honor of the great civil rights activist, actress, and entertainer Lena Horne…I am so honored to have known Lena. She became a part of our family over the years. It means so much to me that my father was the producer of Lena Horne: The Lady and Her Music, and it is my privilege, honor, and duty to memorialize Lena for generations to come.”
Gail Lumet Buckley, Lena’s daughter, and the Horne Family added, “On February 13, 1939, Brooks Atkinson wrote a review of the musical Blackbirds of 1939 for the New York Times. His review was generally unfavorable except for the mention of ‘a radiantly beautiful girl, Lena Horne, who will be a winner once she has proper direction.’ The proper direction came from within Lena herself. She sought an artistic education, and a political education. She sought her own voice, found it, and then fought for the right that was always denied her - the right to tell her own story. In 1981, James M. Nederlander offered her their stage and Lena's one woman show, The Lady and her Music ran for more than a year. 366 performances, in three countries. It was her fullest expression as an artist and storyteller. We're grateful to the Nederlander Organization for rechristening this space to the Lena Horne Theater. We hope artists and audiences alike will tell their own stories here.”
Ms. Horne, the singer and actor who broke down color barriers by becoming one of Hollywood's first African-American female stars, passed away in 2010 at the age of 92.
Ms. Horne had been nominated for a Tony Award for the hit 1957 Harold Arlen musical Jamaica, but when she burst back onto the scene as the star of her own one-woman show, Lena Horne: The Lady and Her Music, in 1981, it was as if the public was discovering her anew. Initially, the Nederlander Organization, Michael Frazier, and Fred Walker had booked her for four weeks into the Nederlander Theatre, but critics hailed her talents and the show ultimately ran for 14 months and won a Tony Award. The production was filmed for television broadcast and home video release. A tour began at Tanglewood during the July 4 weekend in 1982, and played 41 cities in the U.S. and Canada. It also played in London for a month in August, and ended its run in Stockholm, Sweden, September 14, 1984. Additionally, the cast album won a Grammy Award.
Ms. Horne's other Broadway credits included Dance With Your Gods, Lew Leslie's Blackbirds of 1939, and Tony & Lena Sing.
The Nederlander Organization will host an event this fall for the renaming ceremony. An official date will be announced in the coming weeks.
About the renaming, six-time Tony winner Audra McDonald stated, “I am overjoyed that the Nederlander Organization is honoring Lena Horne’s powerful legacy by renaming a theatre in her honor. Representation is everything. A Black woman being recognized and memorialized in this way is powerful. Lena Horne was a woman of fierce talent, incredible strength, and profound conviction. With the utmost grace, she broke down barriers. Beyond her indelible work on stage and screen, she was a civil rights activist who continues to inspire many of us today. Newly christened with her name, the Lena Horne Theater will affirm that Black women and girls are seen; we are heard, we BELONG and when we stand in her theatre, we will stand even taller on her mighty shoulders and her enduring legacy. This is truly a historic day.”
“Lena Horne devoted her life to theatre and the entertainment industry for seven decades,” added Tony winner and current Tony nominee LaChanze. “She was a pioneer. A trailblazer. An inspiration to so many of us who stand on her shoulders to this day. She was an outspoken advocate for civil rights, using her platform to speak up for equality. And in the time of the global demand for inclusivity, I am deeply grateful that the Nederlander organization has committed to being a part of this movement by renaming one of their theater’s honoring the life and legacy of Lena Horne.”
 
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Whole other topic but parts of the thread I made, help put the old guard black elites into better context


 

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*As part of the campaign to get the designation, one organization put together an extensive report about the history of the area. I've only included the appendix, about some of the notable residents

 

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Lol, It's not that big of a reveal if you're familiar with the creole bloodlines of families from Lower Mississippi, Louisiana, and Alabama.

Maybe I should drop the deets on..

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and...

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kissing cousins??

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I can't find the link (this is was some Cajun history group on facebook) right now, but Chris Broussard

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comes from the same stock as beyo's mother via their Acadian ancestor


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@1:56 her niece, actress Taye Hansberry speaks



Statue of Lorraine Hansberry Unveiled in Times Square

The statue is part of the The Lilly Awards Foundation's Lorraine Hansberry Initiative, honoring the late playwright.





June 09, 2022

Lorraine Hansberry
Lorraine Hansberry



The Lilly Awards Foundation unveils a statue of playwright Lorraine Hansberry June 9 at 4 PM in Times Square. The statue is part of the Foundation's Lorraine Hansberry Initiative, honoring the late American playwright and civil rights leader’s legacy while investing in those following in her footsteps.
In 1959 Ms. Hansberry became the first Black female playwright produced on Broadway with her landmark play A Raisin in the Sun.
The statue will subsequently tour the country to raise awareness of the full breadth of her work and teachings. Created by sculptor Alison Saar, the statue is entitled "To Sit Awhile," and features the figure of Hansberry surrounded by five bronze chairs, each representing a different aspect of her life and work. The life-size chairs are an invitation to the public to do just that: sit with her and think.

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Lorraine Hansberry Statue by Saar Maquette

The June 9 unveiling in Duffy Square features a performance from Tony winner (and 2022 Tony nominee) LaChanze, plus remarks from playwright Lynn Nottage; Ms. Hansberry’s older sister, Mamie Hansberry; Tony nominee LaTanya Richardson Jackson; and Legal Defense Fund President Janai Nelson.
The ceremony will also include a photo moment honoring several of the BIPOC, female, and/or LGBTQ+ writers, composers, and lyricists whose work graced Broadway stages this season, including Paula Vogel (How I Learned to Drive), Ruben Santiago-Hudson (Lackawanna Blues), Jeanine Tesori (Caroline, or Change), Masi Asare (Paradise Square), Lucy Moss (SIX), Christina Anderson (Paradise Square), and more.
An invitation-only showcase of student works from the New Victory Theater's Speak Up, Act Out: Celebrating Student Voices will follow. The project, a collaboration between New Victory, the Lillys, and 24 Hour Plays, showcases monologues and short works inspired by Hansberry from NYC middle school students, performed and directed by professional artists, including Quincy Tyler Bernstein, Kate Whoriskey, Russell Jones, Jessica Hecht, April Mathis, Shariffa Ali, and Seret Scott.
The statue will remain in Times Square through June 12, followed by two other New York City installations: The Schomburg Center for Research in Black Culture (June 13–18) and Brooklyn Bridge Park (June 23-29).

The statue will subsequently tour major U.S. cities—including Philadelphia, Detroit, Minneapolis, Washington D.C., Atlanta, Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles, and Chicago (Hansberry's birthplace will enjoy an enhanced and permanent installation in 2023)—and historically Black colleges and universities. In each city, the Initiative will work with local theatres and social justice organizations to showcase the work of contemporary writers of color concurrent with the sculpture’s placement.
The Lorraine Hansberry Initiative also announced a scholarship to make sure the next generation is able to follow in Hansberry’s footsteps, regardless of race, gender, or economic situation. The grant is primarily intended to cover the living expenses of three female and/or non-binary dramatic writers of color entering graduate school, with two additional recipients added each year. Recipients will receive $25,000 for each year of their education, ensuring that they have protected time to write, work with collaborators, and benefit from the guidance of professional mentors in their respective fields.
“One can draw a straight line from the issue of real estate and racial discrimination that Hansberry pointed to so clearly in A Raisin in the Sun, to the generational wealth gap that is preventing women of color, specifically Black women, from following in her footsteps today,” said The Lillys Executive Director Julia Jordan in an earlier statement.
“We know that graduate school is the primary gateway to a career as a dramatic writer,” added Pulitzer Prize-winning playwright Nottage. “In my 20 years of teaching at the graduate level, I have had only four Black female students. If we want theatre to tell the full story of humanity, we need to nurture the full breadth of talent.”
 

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I can't find the link (this is was some Cajun history group on facebook) right now, but Chris Broussard

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comes from the same stock as beyo's mother via their Acadian ancestor


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There are stories floating around claiming that Mathew Knowles is a Bahamian born native. Can you confirm this or not?
 

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There are stories floating around claiming that Mathew Knowles is a Bahamian born native. Can you confirm this or not?

False


Overstated. He doesn't even know which island.

He talks about it briefly around the 3:15 mark:



He has no Bahamian roots


he's pure Southern ADOS


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https://www.myheritage.com/names/mathew_knowles


also


Henry Thomas Knowles
Birthdate: circa 1837
Birthplace: Georgia, United States


Henry Thomas Knowles (his father's roots)

Jane Miller (Hall)
Birthdate: 1865
Birthplace: Alabama, United States


Jane Miller (his mother's roots)


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The reach/speculation is based on the Knowles surname being common the Bahamas but if you do some digging, you'll find that there were white Loyalist from the USA that went to the Bahamas with that surname but that there were also numerous slave owners in the American south with that same surname.


Thomas Knowles (Slave Owner)​

1773 - 1843


Born in Sussex, Delaware, United States in 1773 ...







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he had a son born in georgia

Isaac Knowles​

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Knowles surname distribution in the USA

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False




He has no Bahamian roots


he's pure Southern ADOS


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https://www.myheritage.com/names/mathew_knowles


also


Henry Thomas Knowles
Birthdate: circa 1837
Birthplace: Georgia, United States


Henry Thomas Knowles (his father's roots)

Jane Miller (Hall)
Birthdate: 1865
Birthplace: Alabama, United States


Jane Miller (his mother's roots)


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The reach/speculation is based on the Knowles surname being common the Bahamas but if you do some digging, you'll find that there were white Loyalist from the USA that went to the Bahamas with that their surname but that there were also numerous slave owners in the American south with that same surname.


Thomas Knowles (Slave Owner)​

1773 - 1843


Born in Sussex, Delaware, United States in 1773 ...







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he had a son born in georgia

Isaac Knowles​

(1790 - Unknown)

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Knowles surname distribution in the USA

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Thanks for confirming this.


Peace.
 

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****WARNING LONG POST*****

So this thread was inspired by a thread made about a year ago which I found interesting about rapper Prodigy's family tree and how he is a descendant of one of the founders of Morehouse College:

Prodigy's family tree is CRAZY

Wanted to make a similar but different thread trying to find the most powerful black American families (outside of the Obamas), how their fortunes were made, the current members of their families, and their contributions to the black community (if any). It would be great if posters can post families from their own cities. This is not restricted to old money black families but can include black sports and entertainment dynasties as well.

A few points though-
1) Want to keep this thread positive.
2) Yes, many of these families are members of the Boule.
3) Let's refrain from opinions about skin tone and whether one would consider these families "black". History books have already recognized them as such and your opinion is not changing that neither how they self-dentified.

I'll go first and start with a family from my own city.

Chicago

It was always said by my people that the most powerful black woman in America was from Chicago. In fact, her family may be the most powerful black family in all of America.

Cool fact: Her name isn't Oprah.



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Word around town is that Valerie Bowman Jarrett, leveraging both her personal and family's network got Barack Obama into the White House. Which is why Obama, knowing her value, appointed her Senior Advisor to the President. She was the longest serving advisor to Obama. Many Washingtonians were jealous of her access and power. She was essentially the "power behind the throne."

A few comments taken from articles written about her -

“She is the single most influential person in the Obama White House,” said one former senior White House official, who like many would speak candidly only on condition of anonymity.

Those whom she deems to have failed Mr. Obama tell of scolding late-night calls and her trademark accusation of betrayal: “You are hurting the president.”

“He’s got a real mess in the West Wing,” said one close presidential adviser. “Valerie is effectively the chief of staff, and he knows, but he doesn’t know. She’s almost like Nancy Reagan was with President Reagan, but more powerful.”


She was known as the "Night Walker" for being the only staff person having access to the Obamas after hours.

Valerie is a member of the extended Taylor/Bowman/Jarrett/Dibble/Cook/Dugas Clan of Chicago, Tuskeegee, and Washington DC.

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The family patriarch was Robert Robinson Taylor b.1868 (Valerie's Great Grandfather), who was the first black man to graduate from MIT. He was the son of a former slave that was freed by his slave-owning white father.

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Robert Taylor became the first accredited black US architect and was responsible for designing Tuskeegee University.

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Robert Taylor's son - Robert Rochon Taylor (Valerie's Grandfather), also an architect, became the Chairman of the Chicago Housing Authority (CHA). He attended Howard University and the University of Illinois.


somewhat related story I ran across. You posted Robert Taylor above

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Louis H. Persley (1888-1932)

You’d have to forgive Louis Persley if he had occasional bouts of identity crisis.

He was born in Macon in 1890 and died in 1932. You’ll find his first name spelled both “Lewis” and “Louis” in different registries. Census records from 1900, 1910 and 1920 spell his family’s last name “Pearsley,” “Parfley” and then “Persley.” There are even variations in his middle name (Hudson/Hudison).

A Macon street named for him (or his family) is spelled “Pursley,” and that’s how his name reads on his gravestone in Linwood Cemetery, where he is buried

But make no mistake. There was never any confusion about his talent in his chosen field, architecture. And that was at a time when such an achievement was virtually unheard of for a person of color. In fact, the Macon native was the first registered black architect in Georgia. It happened 100 years ago, on April 5, 1920.

Still, few people have ever heard of Persley. One reason is that there’s not a lot of information out there about him.

“He’s still obscure in history,” said Muriel McDowel Jackson, the head genealogy librarian and archivist at Washington Memorial Library. “We have black history, but we don’t have all of black history. We’re still learning information about people.”

(Jackson also told us about Wallace A. Rayfield, who was born in Macon in 1874 and also went on to become an architect. He designed the famous 16th Street Baptist Church in Birmingham, Ala., that was bombed in 1963 during the civil rights movement.)

Tuskegee Institute in Macon County, Alabama — now Tuskegee University — offered him a teaching job. (“He still had to come back south to practice,” Jackson said.) He taught mechanical drawing until 1917, when he volunteered to fight in World War I. (A man named Robert Robinson Taylor was director of the college’s Mechanical Industries Department at the time. Remember that name.)

When Persley returned from the war, he was promoted to head of the Architectural Drawing Division.

He hadn’t been at Tuskegee long when he designed a new building for the First African Methodist Episcopal Church in Athens, one of just a few projects he ever had in Georgia. (The church began as Pierce’s Chapel in 1866, during Reconstruction, and is thought to be the first congregation in Athens that black families forged after the Civil War.) A marker erected there in 2006 tells the story.

He designed the Chambliss Hotel in 1922 and helped with the seven-story Colored Masonic Temple in Birmingham, a Renaissance Revival building that was dedicated in 1924. There are also references to Atlanta jobs and design work on a two-story brick-and-stone funeral home in Macon.

But he really made his mark at Tuskegee, designing many of the campus’s iconic buildings, several of them while working in partnership with his colleague, Robert Taylor, during the last decade of Persley’s life. Taylor & Persley Architects may have been the country’s first-ever formal partnership of two black architects.

In 1921, the two men completed their first building for the campus, James Hall, a dorm for nursing students. Among the others were Sage Hall, a dorm for young men where the Tuskegee Airmen would later live; Logan Hall, which merged athletic and entertainment facilities; the Armstrong Science Building; and the Hollis Burke Frissell Library.

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An early rendering of Logan Hall

In a short YouTube video “The Persley House: An Architectural Gem in Tuskegee,” Persley’s granddaughter, Linda Kenney Miller, tells viewers about the house that Persley designed for his second wife, Phala Harper. He completed his final design for the home, located near the university, just months before he died, and he didn’t get to see the finished product.

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I came across him not because of his connection to Tuskegee but this other story about people who thought they were "white" until they got a DNA test done lol.

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The guy above had a brother who was a pioneering medical doctor, who also became lost to history:

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(the chick above is his granddaughter and the architect guy is her great uncle)

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While she grew up "white" (her mom is white and father was the son of Alonzo Bond Persley and a white woman but noone knew of this black ancestry)"Black" people kept telling her she looked "black" and she decides to do some research on her past and then got a DNA test to find that she actually was of African descent


As more Americans take advantage of genetic testing to pinpoint the makeup of their DNA, the technology is coming head to head with the country’s deep-rooted obsession with race and racial myths. This is perhaps no more true than for the growing number of self-identified European Americans who learn they are actually part African.

For those who are surprised by their genetic heritage, the new information can often set into motion a complicated recalibration of how they view their identity.

Nicole Persley, who grew up in Nokesville, Va., was stunned to learn that she is part African. Her youth could not have been whiter. In the 1970s and ’80s in her rural home town, she went to school with farmers’ kids who listened to country music and sometimes made racist jokes. She was, as she recalls, “basically raised a Southern white girl.”


But as a student at the University of Michigan: “My roommate was black. My friends were black. I was dating a black man.” And they saw something different in her facial features and hair.

“I was constantly being asked, ‘What are you? What’s your ethnic background?’ ”

While African Americans generally assume that they may carry non-African DNA dating back to the rape of African slaves by white slavetraders and owners, many white Americans like Persley grow up believing that their ancestry is fully European, a belief manifested in things from kitschy “100 percent Irish” T-shirts to more-sinister racial “purity” affiliations.



Nicole Persley grew up in the southern United States and always thought she was a white American.

That is, until she was a student at Michigan.

"Someone asked me which one of my parents was black, and I laughed and I said 'Neither, I'm a white girl from Virginia,'" she said.

So she decided to do technological DNA testing, which confirmed she is African-American. She also discovered her paternal grandfather, Dr. Alonzo Persley, was black and a graduate of the University of Michigan Medical School in 1915.

When Nicole saw her grandfather's date of birth and handwriting for the first time from archives at the University of Michigan, she couldn't contain her excitement.

"October 15, 1890. Mason, Georgia," she read. "His handwriting looks like a doctor's."

She also discovered he was a Michigan football fan after he wrote he was interested in receiving Michigan football announcements and ticket information.

"He was into football! Yes, go blue!" she exclaimed.

Persley's fandom for football was not in doubt, but one thing that was in doubt was whether or not he identified as an African-American before or during medical school. It was an unknown because Nicole's grandfather died when her father was a teenager, so her father and immediate family members had no idea about their African-American heritage.

Nicole was the first person in her family to question it. With the help of University of Michigan Archivist Brian Williams, she was able to unveil the answer to that generation-old question.

Williams discovered Persley attended undergraduate school at Lincoln University, a historically black university. Williams also discovered Persley lived in a traditionally African American area while at the University of Michigan, and tha he was featured in the NAACP's Crisis Magazine.

With all this information, it appears Persley identified as an African-American.

"I love that," Nicole said. "That makes me feel even more proud of him."


^^if you click on the link there's a video interview with her talking about her grandpa/great uncle


the lady has since been getting in touch with her roots:troll:


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her son talking about it :pachaha:

 
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