America's Most Powerful Black Families

[IllmaticDelta]

@Dorian Gray

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Never seen it.



This is her sister. Same parents.

Her mother was like my grandmother. Had a thing for dark skin men.

Actually, most of them do.

In reality, this was the actual black elite power couple.

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But as to her father's credentials.



And actually, I think her mother, even though very fair, I think her father was brown skin as well. I read their family biography about 20 years ago and I think she said that's what attracted her to Harold because he in some ways reminded her of her father

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to follow up this observation that you once made,


Adele Logan Alexander own words:

I grew up in a family whose members proudly considered and spoke of themselves as “Negroes.” They healed, taught, and counseled “Our People,” identified with and staunchly defended “the race,” never boasted of their Native American or white “blood,” but were mostly blue-, green-, or hazel-eyed and paler skinned, narrower featured, and straighter haired than many of my Jewish friends at school and my diverse, upper-Manhattan neighborhood’s Italian American cobblers and greengrocers. And those relatives who looked “white” all had darker-skinned spouses. It didn’t seem unusual to me. That’s just how my world was populated.

Also looked into this interesting part:

I also heard about my father’s “mystery uncle” Thomas Hunt (he roared with laughter about having an “Uncle Tom”), who’d “disappeared” in California, where he saw his even whiter-looking but black-identified sis- ter Sarah “by appointment only.” And once a year, my own uncle Paul came from “way out west” to visit us.

Tracing the Family Legacy From My Suffragette Grandmothers

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Thomas Francis Hunt, Agricultural Extension: Berkeley and Riverside

1879-1942
Associate Professor of Agricultural Extension

The death of Thomas Francis Hunt in Berkeley on September 27, 1942, brought to an end a career of almost forty years spent in the service of the College of Agriculture. A lifetime in carrying to the farms and farmers of California a better knowledge of improved practices as developed by this and other institutions brought Hunt into a broad and intimate acquaintance with the agriculturists of the State. Many are those who will miss his helpful service.

Born of old American stock in Sparta, Georgia, on July 16, 1879, Hunt moved in boyhood to Massachusetts. There he was tutored by a devoted sister whose assistance enabled him to enter and later to graduate from the State Agricultural College in 1905, with a major in horticulture and plant pathology. Although entirely self-supported by means of student work in the Experiment Station, Hunt found time during college days to develop a high degree of proficiency in athletics, especially basketball and baseball, and to take part in other college activities. He became well-known in his earlier days in California as a semiprofessional baseball pitcher. In 1905, the year of his graduation from college, he was appointed to the College of Agriculture of the University of California, as an assistant in the newly organized Division of Plant Pathology. In this field he took an active part in the first experiments and research on some of California's most important plant diseases, including pear blight, peach blight, and the curly top of sugar beets.

In September, 1906, he was transferred to Riverside, as one of the first two men in charge of the newly established Citrus Experiment Station on Rubidoux Heights, where he remained until his return to Berkeley in 1909 as Chief Field Assistant in Plant Pathology. During the reorganization and expansion of the College of Agriculture beginning in 1912, his broad acquaintance with the agriculture of the state was recognized by his appointment to the position of Assistant Professor of Agricultural Extension, followed by advancement in 1919 to the Associate Professorship, a position held until his death. In his work for the Agricultural Extension Service, he was for many years in charge of the work in counties which had no regular Farm Advisor, acting also as specialist in horticulture and plant diseases. His touch with practical agriculture was furthered by his ownership of agricultural lands in the Sacramento Valley, upon which he grew orchards of peaches and pears.

Professor Hunt was married to Jane McKeand in June, 1916. Their two sons, Thomas Davis and Daniel Eugene, were educated at the University of California. The latter son, Daniel, was killed in the service of his country and in the performance of duty as an ensign in naval aviation, in January, 1943.

In the broad field of the public service of the University of California, as well as among his fellow faculty members and other associates, the passing of "Tom" Hunt will mean to many the loss both of a conscientious public servant and a personal friend.

Son of Capt. Henry Alexander (C.S.A.) and Mariah "Cherokee Mariah Lilly" Hunt Hunt, Sr.

Ambiguous Lives, Free Women of Color in Rural Georgia, 1789 - 1879 (1991).

Author, Adele Logan Alexander (Mrs. Clifford Alexander), Washington, D.C.

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the "whiter" looking but black-identified sister

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[jerzboy]

Great thread

 

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“Uncle Tom”

Also, did the schools he was employed and his colleagues figure out he was passing?

the "whiter" looking but black-identified sister

Married her cousin? That used to happen a lot, actually. Especially with the old stock Virginia/Carolina families. There was one black family that was known for it. I can’t remember their name at the moment but they had suffered all types of maladies because of it.



Adele is a brilliant woman. I’ve always admired her. And she’s a good writer.

I like how she characterized certain black figures.

Among them, my relatives talked about the fellow they admired, respected, and often saw in New York City but called “Dr. Dubious”; another, the brilliant scientist whom they warmly referred to as “Uncle ’Fess” Carver; and the family’s Alabama neighbors, “the Great Man,” Booker T. Washington, and his obdurate spouse.

I wonder which of his wives was the ‘obdurate spouse’?

In past generations, I learned, there had been other legendary relatives: someone called Judge Sayre; his “wife,” Susan Hunt (one of my greatgreat- grandmothers); and their daughter, known as “Cherokee Mariah”—her name pronounced with a long i and spelled with an h.

I mentioned in here that my own family had the ‘Cherokee’ naming tradition. Though haven’t been able to find any Cherokee.

I had a 4th great grand aunt named "Sarah Ann Brown 'Charokee' Surname" - the "Charokee" given to her because of the supposed Indian blood we had and in each successive generation of my family, some woman has carried the name of "Charokee" as tradition because of the oral history.

I also heard about my father’s “mystery uncle” Thomas Hunt (he roared with laughter about having an “Uncle Tom”), who’d “disappeared” in California

California must have a large population of whites with African ancestry.

When I used to think of passing, I always thought it happened, but with not much regularity.

But when you think about it, a large proportion of white southerners have African ancestry. How did it get there? If interracial relationships were ‘illegal’, it had to be a situation where an Afro-descendant person passed for white and married into a white family. Which means passing happened on a much larger scale than we can imagine.

We need to better understand the similarities with and differences between the children of our recent, post–Loving v. Virginia generations and the myriad pre-Loving offspring, born as a result of sometimes (fortunately) true loving or (unforgivably) rape or comparable coercion.

This narrative about interracial relationships being illegal in the US has always perplexed me. My 4th great grandfather, who lived in Ohio, married three times, his third wife was white. This was before the Civil War and I observed other families in proximity to them with interracial households.

I have cousins in my family from Lower Mississippi whose branch was started by a white man and black woman in the early 1900’s. They had about eleven kids.

And didn’t Booker T. Washington marry a white woman?

So I’ve been trying to figure out the significance of the Loving v. Virginia case because as Adele pointed out, there was a multitude of legal pre-Loving interracial relationships. I’ve seen it in my own family and I’ve seen it among others. And of course, not talking about the relationships that happened in the 1600’s, but relationships that occurred around and directly after the freeing of slaves.

 

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D.C.’s Newest Park Opens In NoMa, Honoring Alethia Tanner
February 17, 2021

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I see how Alethia ties into one of the Cook clans of Washington but trying to figure out who her husband was to tie her back to the Tanners. Have you come across his name?

John Francis Cook Sr. was her nephew, the son of her sister Laurena.

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---He was also the grandnephew of Julian F. Abele of Philadelphia, who designed Duke University, the Philadelphia Museum of Art, Widener Library at Harvard, and other classic buildings.

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Cook’s great great grandfather was John Francis Cook, a freed slave who along with other leaders founded the Columbian Harmony Cemetery, the 15th Street Presbyterian Church, and a school for freed slaves.---


Obituary: Julian Abele Cook Jr. > Macomb Legal News

--John F. Cook II, his great grandfather, became recorder of deeds in Washington, D.C. His great uncle, George F. T. Cook, became the first superintendent of colored D.C. public schools.--




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--Julian Abele died at home in Philadelphia on April 23, 1950. His descendants have continued to gravitate toward architecture. His son Julian Abele, Jr., and his nephew Julian Abele Cook both became architects. Julian Abele Cook studied architecture at Penn with the Class of 1927; two of his grandchildren have continued the family tradition, Susan Cook as an architectural engineer and Peter Cook as an architect in Washington, D.C. Ironically, it was Susan Cook, while a student at Duke University during the 1986 student protests against apartheid in South Africa, who wrote the letter to the student newspaper which made public Julian Abele’s role in the creation of the Duke campus. His portrait now hangs in one of the buildings he designed, and the Duke University Web site proudly acknowledges his work.---


Julian Francis Abele


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Peter Cook



Peter Cook Joins HGA in Washington, DC - HGA


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John Cook III



Julian A. Cook III | www.law.uga.edu

 

[IllmaticDelta]

“Uncle Tom”



Married her cousin? That used to happen a lot, actually. Especially with the old stock Virginia/Carolina families.

There was one black family that was known for it. I can’t remember their name at the moment but they had suffered all types of maladies because of it.

Adele is a brilliant woman. I’ve always admired her. And she’s a good writer.

I like how she characterized certain black figures.



I wonder which of his wives was the ‘obdurate spouse’?

this one from some the passages I read

I mentioned in here that my own family had the ‘Cherokee’ naming tradition. Though haven’t been able to find any Cherokee.

California must have a large population of whites with African ancestry.

When I used to think of passing, I always thought it happened, but with not much regularity.

But when you think about it, a large proportion of white southerners have African ancestry. How did it get there? If interracial relationships were ‘illegal’, it had to be a situation where an Afro-descendant person passed for white and married into a white family. Which means passing happened on a much larger scale than we can imagine.

Yeah, it definitely happened on a much larger scale than most would think. On findagrave, I've noticed many "black" families (1800s to around 1950s) with some member(s) that would have a white spouse and todays, "white" identified descendants of them, be posting things like: "RIP to my great great aunt/uncle that I never met" or "This was our ggg ______,We only found out recently that we're part African American"

This narrative about interracial relationships being illegal in the US has always perplexed me. My 4th great grandfather, who lived in Ohio, married three times, his third wife was white. This was before the Civil War and I observed other families in proximity to them with interracial households.

I have cousins in my family from Lower Mississippi whose branch was started by a white man and black woman in the early 1900’s. They had about eleven kids.

It was illegal/frowned upon but it def was going down; I posted this from dad's side in the genealogy thread

Genealogy Thread

And didn’t Booker T. Washington marry a white woman?

na, that was Douglass

So I’ve been trying to figure out the significance of the Loving v. Virginia case because as Adele pointed out, there was a multitude of legal pre-Loving interracial relationships. I’ve seen it in my own family and I’ve seen it among others. And of course, not talking about the relationships that happened in the 1600’s, but relationships that occurred around and directly after the freeing of slaves.

The case just made it fully legal; it didn't birth/start interracial pairings though:

In the United States, anti-miscegenation laws (also known as miscegenation laws) were laws passed by most states that prohibited interracial marriage and interracial sexual relations. Some such laws predate the establishment of the United States, some dating to the later 17th or early 18th century, a century or more after the complete racialization of slavery.[1] Most states had repealed such laws by 1967, when the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Loving v. Virginia that such laws were unconstitutional in the remaining 16 states.[2][3] The term miscegenation was first used in 1863, during the American Civil War, by journalists to discredit the abolitionist movement by stirring up debate over the prospect of interracial marriage after the abolition of slavery.[4]

Typically defining mixed race marriages or sexual relations as a felony, these laws also prohibited the issue of marriage licenses and the solemnization of weddings between mixed race couples and prohibited the officiating of such ceremonies. Sometimes, the individuals attempting to marry would not be held guilty of miscegenation itself, but felony charges of adultery or fornication would be brought against them instead. All anti-miscegenation laws banned marriage between Whites and non-White groups, primarily Black people, but often also Native Americans and Asian Americans.[5]

In many states, anti-miscegenation laws also criminalized cohabitation and sex between Whites and non-Whites. In addition, Oklahoma in 1908 banned marriage "between a person of African descent" and "any person not of African descent"; Louisiana in 1920 banned marriage between Native Americans and African Americans (and from 1920–1942, concubinage as well); and Maryland in 1935 banned marriages between Black people and Filipinos.[6] While anti-miscegenation laws are often regarded as a Southern phenomenon, most western and plains states also enacted them.

Although anti-miscegenation amendments were proposed in United States Congress in 1871, 1912–1913 and 1928,[7][8] a nationwide law against mixed race marriages was never enacted. Prior to the California Supreme Court's ruling in Perez v. Sharp (1948), no court in the United States had ever struck down a ban on interracial marriage. In 1967, the United States Supreme Court (the Warren Court) unanimously ruled in Loving v. Virginia that anti-miscegenation laws are unconstitutional.

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This narrative about interracial relationships being illegal in the US has always perplexed me. My 4th great grandfather, who lived in Ohio, married three times, his third wife was white. This was before the Civil War and I observed other families in proximity to them with interracial households.

I have cousins in my family from Lower Mississippi whose branch was started by a white man and black woman in the early 1900’s. They had about eleven kids.

And didn’t Booker T. Washington marry a white woman?

So I’ve been trying to figure out the significance of the Loving v. Virginia case because as Adele pointed out, there was a multitude of legal pre-Loving interracial relationships. I’ve seen it in my own family and I’ve seen it among others. And of course, not talking about the relationships that happened in the 1600’s, but relationships that occurred around and directly after the freeing of slaves.

When Reconstruction ended, the discrimination laws were drafted and passed in the Southern States, including the marriage restrictions. Local and state laws, I imagine. Some returning to what the statutes were before the South lost, and some newly written, now that Blacks were recognized as citizens.
Loving v. Virginia was decided by the Supreme Court, and overrode all those state and county marriage restriction laws. In the same way that Brown v. Board of Education struck down the state and local laws about which students could attend which public schools.

When people start talking about "states' rights", it's Make America JimCrow Again language.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

“Uncle Tom”

Also, did the schools he was employed and his colleagues figure out he was passing?



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Nope, they never knew

 

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this one from some the passages I read

Now that you mention it, I have read from a few sources that she was basically a hot mess.

Yeah, it definitely happened on a much larger scale than most would think. On findagrave, I've noticed many "black" families (1800s to around 1950s) with some member(s) that would have a white spouse and todays, "white" identified descendants of them, be posting things like: "RIP to my great great aunt/uncle that I never met" or "This was our ggg ______,We only found out recently that we're

It was illegal/frowned upon but it def was going down; I posted this from dad's side in the genealogy thread

Genealogy Thread

I’ve been sleeping on this thread. Gonna start posting my findings in it.

na, that was Douglass

Ah, that’s right.

 

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Nope, they never knew

Damn.

 

[get these nets]

I see how Alethia ties into one of the Cook clans of Washington but trying to figure out who her husband was to tie her back to the Tanners. Have you come across his name?

John Francis Cook Sr. was her nephew, the son of her sister Laurena.

Did not come across his name before I posted. Saw the Tanner name and the AME ties and figured there had to be at least a distant tie to the Tanners out of Pittsburgh.
I did note that I couldn't find a quote from modern day Tanners about the park dedication.

I've been Jason Terry'd before in this thread, but I'm gonna dig before that gif comes out again. Not looking good though. hehehehe

 

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I've been Jason Terry'd before in this thread, but I'm gonna dig before that gif comes out again. Not looking good though. hehehehe

just jokes.

there has to be a connection. tanner just didn’t pop up from outer space. i saw some literature that mentioned her husband but it didn’t give a name.

 

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Can’t wait for this thread to make 100 pages.

 

[ISO]

The fact of the matter is that the liklihood of this happening is zero because Blue IV will most likely end up with a white dude.

This shyt weird as fukk

 

[IllmaticDelta]

...I don't think anyone from this fam/clan was posted yet

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Warren Logan (1859-1942)





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his wife...

Adella Hunt Logan (February 10, 1863 – December 10, 1915)

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Warren and Adele's children

a few more people/connections.....


Adella's brother

Henry Alexander Hunt (October 10, 1866[2] – October 1, 1938)

was an American educator who led efforts to reach blacks in rural areas of Georgia. He was awarded the Spingarn Medal by the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), as well as the Harmon Prize. In addition, he was recruited in the 1930s by President Franklin D. Roosevelt to join the president's Black Cabinet, an informal group of more than 40 prominent African Americans appointed to positions in the executive agencies.

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his wife:

Florence S Johnson Hunt (1866-1953)

Born in Raleigh, N.C. to Columbus and Eliza Johnson. Married to Henry Alexander Hunt, Sr., the 2nd principal of the Fort Valley Normal and Industrial School which became Fort Valley State College. Her brother was Edward Austin Johnson, the 1st black assemblyman of New York. A social reform activist, she was the 9th president of the Georgia Federation of Colored Womens' Clubs.

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Edward Austin Johnson (November 23, 1860 – July 24, 1944)

was an attorney who became the first African-American member of the New York state legislature when he was elected to the New York State Assembly in 1917.


Johnson was born in slavery in Wake County, North Carolina. Johnson, in his early education, was taught by a free colored woman, Miss Nancy Walton.[1] He continued his education at Washington High School. He then attended Atlanta University and worked as a school principal from 1883 until 1891, first in Atlanta and then in Raleigh, North Carolina. Meanwhile, he wrote A School History of the Negro Race in America, which was the first textbook by a black author to be approved by the North Carolina State Board of Education for use in the public schools.

Johnson earned a law degree at Shaw University in 1891 and thereafter practiced law in the Raleigh area while also teaching at Shaw. He was the first graduate of the law school at Shaw and served as dean, following John S. Leary in that capacity.[2] Johnson won every case that he argued before the North Carolina Supreme Court. From 1899 to 1907, he was an assistant to the U.S. Attorney for eastern North Carolina. Johnson became active in the Republican Party and served a term on Raleigh's city board of aldermen.

In 1907, Johnson left North Carolina for New York City. He became active in Harlem and in the Republican Party there. He was a member of the New York State Assembly (New York Co., 19th D.) in 1918. In 1928, he ran for Congress in the 21st District but lost to Royal H. Weller. Despite his loss, he received the greatest number of votes from the Republican party in his district.[3] Even with the loss of his sight in 1925, he continued to work in politics and on various projects that supported his country and race.[4]



In 1890, Johnson wrote a children's textbook entitled A School History of the Negro Race in America from 1619 to 1890, after the Raleigh School Superintendent convinced him that there was need for a history textbook for children about African American achievements. It was published in four editions until 1911 and was adopted by Virginia and North Carolina black schools. In 1899, Johnson wrote his second textbook entitled History of the Negro Soldiers in the Spanish American War and Other Items of Interest. In 1904, Johnson wrote a utopian novel entitled Light Ahead for the Negro, which describes a 2006 future in which there is no anti-black discrimination. In 1928, Johnson published his last book, Adam vs Ape-Man in Ethiopia

 

[IllmaticDelta]

a few more people/connections.....

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Adella's brother

Henry Alexander Hunt (October 10, 1866[2] – October 1, 1938)

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his wife:

Florence S Johnson Hunt (1866-1953)

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Edward Austin Johnson (November 23, 1860 – July 24, 1944)

The Times turned Du Bois down in 1926 and eventually relented in 1930. The newspaper called the change "not merely a typographical change" but "an act in recognition of racial self-respect," The Times wrote earlier this month when it decided to capitalize Black.
Roughly 40 years before the Times changed its stance on Negro, Johnson published "A School History of the Negro Race in America from 1619 to 1890."
The book offers "sketches of slavery as it existed in the colonies — northern and southern" and describes the "accomplishments of some of the most distinguished slaves," the University of North Carolina wrote in a summary of the book.
Johnson's book was published in 1890. It implored teachers to adopt the use of Negro with a capitalized N.
"I respectfully request that my fellow-teachers will see to it that the word Negro is written with a capital N," Johnson wrote. "It deserves to be so enlarged, and will help, perhaps, to magnify the race it stands for in the minds of those who see it."

American students may start seeing Black capitalized in their history textbooks - CNN