American life expectancy was already bad. Under Covid and the anti-vaccine movement, it's cratered.

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Don't things like the fact that heart attacks (which are a fairly constant level of death) suddenly vanishing during COVID

This is a total lie. Why do you just make up random bullshyt and expect us to believe it? :laff:


659,000 people died of heart disease in 2019
697,000 people died of heart disease in 2020


Heart attack deaths didn't vanish, they actually went UP during the pandemic. Almost certainly because many people with Covid deaths were falsely attributed to heart attacks, along with people who didn't get medical care in time because the hospitals were overrun with Covid patients.

You straight up lied and tried to push the polar opposite of reality.



Some people see through the illusion and realize the nakedness of the purported emperor in question whilst others manufacture proof as they lie to themselves. You'll be hard pressed to find an intelligent conversation about this

Oh, the irony.

I pointed out that the excess death data destroys your claims yet you completely ignored it. Then you made a claim about heart attacks that is obviously and provably false. So who is manufacturing proof and lying to themselves?




It'll be like the new old bombs bought down the Towers tinfoil think in a few as people move onto the next as they count on short attention spans even though you see things quite ridiculous like "Oh look, here's the terrorists passport in the rubble which proves it!".

At least you're an equal-opportunity ignoramus.
 

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Its sad that people can't see the other side of the coin and true cause of the problem:




There is a war being waged on many levels and many fronts but people don't see the segments hidden in their day to day. Either way I'm done with this topic as I've purposefully not spoke much since it kicked on here because I see how invested you all are.

Just like to check the temp, every now and then.
 
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Patients 'missing'

From mid-February and throughout March 2020 - when cases of coronavirus started to affect the UK - there were about 2,000 hospital admissions for suspected heart attacks and angina a week.
Admissions started to rise during April and May 2020 but were still below the 2019 average, of 3,000.
Lead study author Dr Marion Mafham, from the University of Oxford, said: "Our study shows that far fewer people with heart attacks have attended hospital during this pandemic.
"It is important that anyone with chest pain calls an ambulance immediately, because every minute of delay increases the risk of dying or experiencing serious complications from a heart attack."


I can't tell whether you're a bigger idiot or a bigger liar. That link does not support your claim AT ALL. Here are the actual heart attack death statistics for England/Wales:


2019: 19,386
2020: 19,440
2021: 20,061


Does that look like deaths attributed to heart attacks "disappeared"? No, you liar, just like USA heart attack deaths they went UP during Covid.



You just posted a link about people being admitted to the hospital with suspected heart attacks. That isn't remotely similar. In normal times, most people who go to a hospital for a suspected heart attack aren't actually having a fatal heart attack. They're just having cramps, stress-related symptoms, panic attacks, indisgestion, or something else. As Dr. Brendan Reilly, head of Cook County Hospital in Chicago, says in Blink when discussing the historic difficulty in diagnosing ER heart attacks, "only about 10 percent of those admitted to a hospital on suspicion of having a heart attack actually have a heart attack." (pg 131)


What happened during early 2020 Covid is that people whose medical symptoms weren't that bad were slower to get themselves checked out at the hospital, so admissions for non-Covid issues briefly declined. 90% of the time that just meant they recovered at home from whatever was bothering them, but in a small number of cases it might have resulted in unnecessary deaths. In no case does it mean heart attack deaths "disappeared", that was a total lie.

Once again, you straight up lied to try to bend reality to your agenda.





If you really want the OG data I'll have to go back through some old emails and dig as I'm going off the dome in this thread based on conversations but a quick search threw this up. What I'm speaking on is the fact that there definitely seems to be something up with the stats and you know what they say about them and lies.

You're the only person lying in this conversation.




Anyone who remembers the whole "Type any number you wish + COVID into a search engine and you'll find articles saying that many dead" in real time had to start wondering about the nature of this astroturfing. Or maybe not.

What a stupid claim. There were numerous sites where you could follow the exact # of reported Covid deaths in real time and those sites were all quite close to each other since they relied on official, published stats that can be tracked to the source. No one at the top could fabricate those numbers, every state's death toll is compiled from dozens of counties whose data is public. To fake the #'s, you'd have to have thousands of health professionals across the county in on the conspiracy who themselves would have tens of thousands of employees who could immediately expose their deception. And how the fukk would you create death certificates for people who didn't exist without being caught? You still can't explain why total deaths went up by even MORE than the reported Covid deaths.



Or maybe not.


That's an opinion piece published in a right-wing newspaper by Joseph Curl, who is a writer for Ben Shapiro's Daily Wire and formerly of the Drudge Report. That's seriously who you get your medical information from, literal right-wing hacks with no medical background whatsoever?



Yeah, they don’t.
And remember when the federal government told you COVID didn’t come from a lab in Wuhan, China? Well, it did. Who says? The federal government.

Again, what a dumb assertion. One federal investigative agency says they came to a "low confidence" decision that the virus "most likely" leaked from a lab, while multiple other federal investigative agencies came to the opposite conclusion. NONE of them claim to be certain or think they have all the data.

For you to turn that into "The federal government says Covid came from a lab" is blatantly dishonest.

And this has absolutely nothing to do with death certificates, which tell you definitively that someone is dead without having to do guesswork.

Why do you have such trouble staying on topic and proving your actual claims? You keep lying about Covid deaths in the USA, and when caught in your lie you move the goalposts and jump around to all sorts of ridiculous false claims.
 

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Not as idiotic as believing the party line and defending it with your life when they've proved again and again they want you dead and hate your flesh.

Don't things like the fact that heart attacks (which are a fairly constant level of death) suddenly vanishing during COVID (along with many other perennial killers) as this new mystery machine tore on the scene make you think its a bit strange?


I'm just quoting this again because he tried to bury his original lie under a Gish Gallop of additional lies.

Official statistics prove that heart attack deaths didn't "suddenly vanish" during Covid, they actually INCREASED during Covid. Both in the USA, which we were originally talking about, and in the UK, where he tried to move the goalposts too.

He based his entire thesis on a complete lie, and when caught in the lie he just deflected. Typical anti-vaxxer behavior.
 

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I wish people could see the big picture without constantly defaulting to their agendas alone.

* Poor health and short lives are real problems in America. Environmental pollution, poor diets, inferior food, bad lifestyle choices, poor health care access, high stress levels, and poverty are all responsible. Those are real issues that need to be addressed.

* Our response to Covid made those issues MUCH worse. The impact of public health issues is usually measured in months, but the resistance to vaccination and social distancing measures had an impact that can be measured in years. That's a real, serious, measurable problem that other nations avoided because they didn't have our particular political bullshyt.

Both of those can be true at the same time.
 
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