American-Liberians=/=African-American

[xoxodede]

Wtf are you arguing we already said those people who say look at what AA did to Liberia don't know shyt about liberian history.

So what is there to argue

Exactly.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

I ran across this

Settlers to Liberia (1843-187?)

(project in progress)

The following information is taken from The African Repository, and Colonial Journal (later just The African Repository). The publication documents the activities of the American Colonization Society. The publication first appeared in 1825 monthly until 1839, “The tenth volume was completed in ten numbers, in order that the subsequent volumes might commence with the beginning of the year. From February, 1839, until February, 1842, both inclusive, it was published semi-monthly. Volume 15 was, however, completed in nineteen numbers, one number only having been issued in each of the months of January and July of that year, (1839) and the publication of the second number for November and the two for December having been suspended in consequence of the destruction by fire of the materials in the office of publication. Volumes 16 and 17 contained twenty four numbers each, and volume 18 fourteen numbers; the monthly issues having been resumed in March 1842; since which time it has been issued regularly every month–each volume commencing with the beginning of the year, and containing twelve numbers.” [January 1855] It contains letters and reports of the Society. It also contains the names of many of the vessels used to carry the emigrants to Liberia.


The places many of these emigrants were from is more numerous/diverse than I thought

March 1843
“ ...Anxious to comply with the philanthropic views of this gentleman [John McDONOGH, Esq., of New Orleans] as well as to aid many applicants for a passage for various sections of the Union, the ship Mariposa, was chartered and ordered to New Orleans, whence (after her outfit with all needful supplies, and the embarkation under the superintendance [sic] of the

Rev. Wm. McLAIN, the Treasurer of the Society, of seventy-nine persons, liberated by Mr. McDONOGH, and one other respectable colored family,) she sailed on the 9th of June, for Norfolk, to receive there her complement of emigrants. This fine ship sailed from Norfolk, on the 7th July, with a very intelligent and select company of two hundred and thirty-four emigrants, from the States of Louisiana, Alabama, Missouri, Illinois, Tennessee, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, and the Territory of Iowa, and after a voyage in all respects auspicious, arrived at Monrovia, on the 21st August....

Of the other emigrants by the Mariposa, eighty were from the State of Tennessee, (more than twenty of them emancipated, and to some extent assisted by generous masters) and most of them by their agricultural, and mechanical knowledge, well qualified to overcome the difficulties which emigrants to new countries must inevitably encounter.

Seventeen, all with one exception liberated slaves, were from the State of Virginia.

Fourteen liberated by the will of the late Thos. BLACKLEDGE, Esquire, of North Carolina, were not only supplied by this will with the means of emigration, but also with eight hundred dollars to enable them to commence with comfort and cheerfulness, their new mode of life.

Ten were from Murfreesboro, North Carolina, emancipated by the will of the late Mr. BROWN, of that place, and some small provision made for their benefit. Two enterprising, free colored families, comprising fourteen persons, having experienced much unkindness from the people among whom they had resided, came by the way of New Orleans, from Illinois to Norfolk, that they might embark for a land of real freedom. Another family of four persons travelled by land from the Territory of Iowa, and took passage in this vessel.

A venerable colored minister of the Baptist Church, from Alabama, who had received his freedom as the reward of merit, embarked with his wife and three children, in the hope that his other children (for whom he has paid more than $7,000) will yet follow him. These with a family of six persons from Louisiana, and the superintendents of the company, Messrs. Harris & Brown, completed the number of this expedition...” pages 75-77

“Slave Trade–The Fantome 16, Commander P.G. HAYNES, took a prize into Rio De Janeiro on the 2nd of September having on board 337 slaves. Captain FOOTE of the Madagascar, on the 22nd of May, landed a party of marines on the African Coast, near the Congo, destroyed several barrac00ns and took 956 slaves. They afterwards landed at Ambrig and took 260 slaves. These slaves have been sent to St. Helena.” page 91

NYT - Nov 17, 1851 p. 2
The Liberia Packet is daily expected to arrive at Baltimore, on her return from Africa, whither she went some months since with emigrants and supplies for the Liberian Republic. She will be fitted out again immediately after her arrival, and is expected to sail for the African Coast about Christmas, touching at Savannah, Georgia, for the purpose of receiving on board two hundred and ten emigrants destined for the Republic. Among these are the members of the family of the liberated slave ANTHONY SHERMAN. It was expected that a company of from three to four hundred emigrants would be sent from New-Orleans at the same time. The number will be necessarily reduced to two hundred, for want of pecuniary means to carry out the original design. . . . . more

NYT - Oct 1, 1851 p. 1
FROM LIBERIA:—Liberia papers have been received to June 18th. The accounts indicate the steady prosperity of the colony. The U. S. brig Perry, Capt. A. H. FOOTE, arrived at Monrovia, June 16, in nine days from St. Helena, all well. She reports that the slave trade on the South coast is "on its last legs." Farther North, it is already nearly extinct.
About June 1st fire broke out in the new town of Buchanan, at Grand Bassa Point, and consumed five houses. In all other respects, the new settlement was prospering. The natives in the region were delighted with the change since the expulsion of the Fishman Grando.
In Bassa County, large numbers of palm oil were coming into the different settlements ; the farmers at Bexley were planting large quantities of arrowroot ; and there was a prospect of a large crop of rice.
JAS. K. STRAW, the English agent, offers a premium of $50 for the best five acres of cotton, and promises to furnish the means to any competent persons who wish to make the experiment.
The Herald urges attention to the collection of India Rubber, as a new and profitable branch of industry. The same paper alludes to Captain Forbes' work on the "Dahomey and Dahomas," accusing the Liberians of "buying and selling God's image" and says the whole thing is too ridiculous to deserve any thing but a flat contradiction.
Judge Benson has been about forty miles inland, with and exploring party, to select a site in the mountainous region, for a new settlement. He found the country fertile, well wooded and watered, and the natives friendly, and quite superior to those near the coast. he selected a site some thirty miles inland from Bexley.
The emigrants by the brig Alida, from New Orleans, were doing well at Sinoe. There had been no case of the small-pox among them, since they landed ; nor had there been any deaths, except of four children. They had nearly all passed through the acclimatiing fever, and were at work on their farms. One of them had built a large boat, propelled by paddle-wheels, to ply between the different settlements on the Sinoe river.
The emigrants by the Baltimore, from Savannah, were all landed in good health and spirits.
The "G.O.U. of the Daughters of Temperance, Fidelity Division, No. 1," had an anniverary festival in the Senate Chamber, at Monrovia, May 29, with vocal and instrumental music, and addresses by the Rev. Mr. Russell and other gentlemen ; followed, in the evening, by a splendid entertainment at the residence of Col. Yates.

NYT - Jun 30, 1856 p. 1
Rev. JOHN SEYS, a special agent of the Colonization Society, has sailed from Savannah for Liberia, in the ship Elvira Owen. He goes out charged with the commission of examining the interior of the country, with a view of establishing receptacles for emigrants in the higher regions, back of Monrovia, where the fevers are not prevalent, and where the new-comers may struggle with little discomfort against the tribulations of acclimation.
The following interesting analysis of the passenger list of the Elvira Owen is furnished by the Savannah papers. It will be observed that two sets of colored of emigrants are liberated slaves, who have received handsome bequests from their former masters.
"Of the emigrants, 2 were from Litchfield, Ct. ; 4 from Maryland, free ; 5 from Virginia, liberated by the will of Mr. Noel ; 43 from Virginia, liberated by the will of Mr. Kelly, and by him furnished with $15,000 ; 9 from Norfolk, Va., free ; 12 from Halifax, N.C., liberated by the will of Mr. Simmons ; 29 from Kentucky, liberated by the will of Mr. Graves, and by him furnished with $14,800 ; 38 from Kentucky, liberated by sundry persons ; 7 from Missouri, liberated by Mr. Fullerson ; 7 from Gallatin, Tenn., liberated by Mr. Barr ; 2 from Tuscaloosa, Ala., liberated by the will of Lincoln Clark ; 5 from Augusta, Ga., liberated by the will of Mr. Martin ; 2 from Columbus, Ga., free ; 34 from Winchester, Tenn., liberated by Mrs. Sharp ; 14 from Columbus, Miss., liberated by Mrs. Holderness ; 1 from Adairsville, Ga., bought himself ; 4 from Augusta, Ga., free ; 2 from Augusta, Ga, liberated by Mrs. Bryson ; 3 from Augusta, Ga, liberated by Mrs. Marks ; 19 from Rocky Plains, Ga, liberated by David Floyd ; 1 from Columbia, Tenn., liberated by Judge Kennedy ; 41 from Gwinnett County, Ga., liberated by the will of Geo. M. Watters ; 3 from Savannah, Ga. ; 1 from Raleigh, N.C. ; and two citizens of Liberia who had come to this country on business."

Settlers to Liberia (1843-187?)

 

[BigMan]

Then what is Malcom X considered then?

AA/Grenadian

 

[Yehuda]

I mean, it's why we're naturally very wary of light skinned black people over here. Yet colorism is still very much a thing, even though people front.
They talk like the portuguese, feel like they're portuguese and often discriminate like the portuguese. But it's all very low key, I have yet to hear of anyone who OD'd on it. It's a very insidious job.

That's interesting I saw a guy from Cabo Verde saying when he went to Lisbon all the Guineans and Angolans were giving him the he had to find out it was cause Cape Verdeans used to run public administration in the mainland before independence.

 

[Crayola Coyote]

Doe was the one they cut his ear off?

Samuel doe I guess. Idk after that Charles Taylor was president I think. I went back to Liberia 2 months ago it was lit but not much to do over there. Everything looks the same.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Samuel doe I guess. Idk after that Charles Taylor was president I think. I went back to Liberia 2 months ago it was lit but not much to do over there. Everything looks the same.

Prince Johnson [his men] Cut Doe's ear off.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

There were definitely South Carolinian rooted emigrants to Liberia. You even had Kentuckians

The Liberian Connection | Kentucky Life

Kentucky in Africa

 

[NoirDynosaur]

There's also a Maryland county.

That's where my mom is from...but never got to chance to visit.

Shyt it's like 5 hrs from Monrovia...I'll visit prolly again mid 2019

 

[Apollo Creed]

There's also a Maryland county.

That's where my mom is from...but never got to chance to visit.

Shyt it's like 5 hrs from Monrovia...I'll visit prolly again mid 2019

5 hours probably because there are barely roads lol. Liberia is like the size of Maryland.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

The origins of Liberia.

 

[Crayola Coyote]

The origins of Liberia.

brah, I went there for 2 weeks I had to come back. I cannot see myself living there. Nothing to do, people always looking for a come up, your cousin always fukking up your money (we told dude to go to the nearest town to go wash our truck we went to another one, hit some dude on that was riding his bike and got our truck stuck in the mud. Had to pay 7 people to take it out) and police and other government officials looking to fine you with paper work to run your business over there. Man my dad and I almost threw hands with the police. This was last year. But Back in 2001 when I went there in 6th grade man my dad was gonna fight soldiers that were carrying ak-47 cause they kept asking us to give them money at every check point. I remember there were bullet holes on people houses including my cousin From the civil war.

 

[Crayola Coyote]

5 hours probably because there are barely roads lol. Liberia is like the size of Maryland.

Nothing but forest, Firestone tires, hills and rivers and lakes.

 

[Crayola Coyote]

wouldn’t that one ... African American if One was born in America but families were from Liberia?

 

[Crayola Coyote]

Prince Johnson [his men] Cut Doe's ear off.

I bet that video is on the internet somewhere. I refuse to see it. I’m good. My folks talk about it time to time.

 

[Crayola Coyote]

Now if we want to have a REAL discussion on the whole “Americo Liberians were c00ns” argument.

One could argue that WHILE their (or at least a segment of their) Ancestors were Black Descendants of American Slavery the LEGAL STATUS / or legal designation may have played a factor of how they viewed black life as a whole.

If there is documented history of examples of “free people of color” viewing enslaved blacks in America as lesser than them then we can not be surprised they viewed the indiginous tribes as lesser than them.

Indoctrination of white supremacy