Amazing how The Nfl is such a mediocre product yet has control over the general public

[Biscayne]

if the nba made regular season games matter more, restructured it's television format, and went away from the 7-7-7-7 playoff format in favor of something less drawn out and more exciting... it believe it would be a lot closer to competing with the nfl. they have the most television friendly product by far and hands down the most popular athletes.

unfortunately 90% of the regular season is filler exhibition and no one really checks in until the playoffs, and even then there's really only 2-3 teams that have a shot. it's a very predictable league.

What were the last NFL teams to make it to the Superbowl where everyone was like "How'd THEY make it?" Everyone talks about NBA predictability, but the Patriots are yet again, on their way to ANOTHER 13-3 season and ANOTHER AFC East title. They'll have yet ANOTHER year where they'll be able to chill in the 1st rd of the playoffs, and let the wild card teams battle it out. NFL parity is overstated.

 

[Biscayne]

I love the NBA as much as anyone else but they watered down the product. Look at the eastern conference. Who can even challenge the Cavs this year. The Bulls? nah. We're all getting ready for an 82-game season in which there is a 95% probability that the Cavs will represent the East in the finals.

I'll be watching mostly west coast games anyway and the western playoffs will be lit but discuss that East brehs. Discuss it.

AFC East in the NFL isn't any diffirent. The Pats have dominated their division longer than any team in the NBA has done to their division.

 

[Bolzmark]

The NFL product is mediocre? Nah. It does have some problems but it is still overall the most exciting sport out there.

 

[Biscayne]

The NBA is still the worst product even after all the reasons you just listed.

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[Biscayne]

two or three?? that's exactly why i know, you know shyt about football

shyt there's about 3 good teams in the afc east alone... i can name at least 10-12 good teams right now

and looking back at super bowl winners, it's always a quick change to the next set of great teams



but the reason football has it locked, cause it's an event

162 baseball games... you can miss half and not care... a team can lose 70 games and still make it

hockey 80 some games

basketball is 82




football is 16 games... and damn near all are must win games... and every play somebody is getting the shyt knocked out of them.... and it's (used to be) ONE day a week..

that's most important... that they scheduled it all for one day... a shytty lazy day where nobody is at work, everyone is tired or dreading monday... they schedule it right after church... nothing else is on tv... everything bout to close at 6pm... and there ain't shyt else to do except....................................

watch football

3 good teams in the AFC East, but we all know who's gonna win the division. Lets not play dumb.........

 

[godkiller]

This product isn't any good

-- as the consumer consumes the product








Consumers never lie

Right? The product is good because people consume it. If people didn't think the product was good, people wouldn't consume it. Capitalism is self-correcting.

 

[Biscayne]

I don't think people understand the meaning of parity.

perennially competitive teams does not mean there is no "real" parity.

Yet they use diffirent measures of parity between the NFL vs any other sport. New teams make the playoffs annually in the NBA also, but folks would still describe the NBA as "lacking parity". In the NFL, if a team that was 8-8 last year, makes it past the wild card round, than everyone celebrates the NFL's parity. But at the end of the day, the two teams that usually make it to the big game in the NFL, aren't much more unpredictable than the ones that make it to the NBA Finals...

 

[tru_m.a.c]

lol

This is why we have stats to check our information:

NFL Season By Season Kicking & Punting | Pro-Football-Reference.com
NFL Year-by-Year Field Goal % Leaders | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Right now, FG percentages are 84%, which is even with the league average for last year.
Only the 2013 and 2008 seasons had a higher FG percentage made EVER. And that was at 86.5 and and 84.5, respectively.

It's not like we're going back to the days of the early 1980's and before, before they figured out all these soccer players had better kicking techniques, when the league average as a whole was under 70%.

You see a few missed few goals and suddenly it's an epidemic like there aren't a few teams that get overly frustrated at their kickers every. single. year.

I don't know if you realize, but you can't compare a full season of kicking to 4 weeks.

Also because of the new rules, when we refer to kicking, we're also talking about extra point misses as well.

How many kickers get released by their teams before week 4 on a year to year basis?

Also, something stats can't pick up, is when a coach foregoes a field goal because they don't have faith in their kicker making the attempt.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

What were the last NFL teams to make it to the Superbowl where everyone was like "How'd THEY make it?" Everyone talks about NBA predictability, but the Patriots are yet again, on their way to ANOTHER 13-3 season and ANOTHER AFC East title. They'll have yet ANOTHER year where they'll be able to chill in the 1st rd of the playoffs, and let the wild card teams battle it out. NFL parity is overstated.

we're heading into week 5 now, almost 1/3 of the way into the season. i would say regardless of what team you're a fan of right now, you're probably excited and still looking forward to sunday. wouldn't you agree?

at the end of the day you just don't know what's going to happen. even if your teams that is 1-3 you still have hope. there's still a reason to watch. there's still a reason to be excited. you go on a little run, you creep into the playoffs, and from there anything can happen.

in the NBA you can count out 25 teams before the season even starts. fans of lesser teams in the NBA have absolutely no hope whatsoever. the "this could be our year" mentality just isn't there.

 

[Sccit]

Racism. The faces of the NFL are still white compared to the NBA that is all black.

THATS NOT IT

 

[Biscayne]

we're heading into week 5 now, almost 1/3 of the way into the season. i would say regardless of what team you're a fan of right now, you're probably excited and still looking forward to sunday. wouldn't you agree?

at the end of the day you just don't know what's going to happen. even if your teams that is 1-3 you still have hope. there's still a reason to watch. there's still a reason to be excited. you go on a little run, you creep into the playoffs, and from there anything can happen.

in the NBA you can count out 25 teams before the season even starts. fans of lesser teams in the NBA have absolutely no hope whatsoever. the "this could be our year" mentality just isn't there.

I'll still watch for sure, but the Dolphins are pretty much done. 1-3 to start the season is a death sentence in the NFL. In the NBA last year, the Cavs were barely over .500 by the midway mark of the season, then they made a few trades and went on a run. They were a 5th seed in January. The season ends waaay earlier in the NFL if your team loses a, couple games in the beginning of the season, more than any other sport. In the NBA you have time to make up the deficit. I'll still watch this Sunday, and Monday, and next Thursday, but but pretty much for no reason. It's over for the phins........yet again.

 

[concise]

I don't know if you realize, but you can't compare a full season of kicking to 4 weeks.

Also because of the new rules, when we refer to kicking, we're also talking about extra point misses as well.

How many kickers get released by their teams before week 4 on a year to year basis?

Also, something stats can't pick up, is when a coach foregoes a field goal because they don't have faith in their kicker making the attempt.

Look at the stats.
Every team is still averaging 2 field goal attempts per game.

Including Extra Points is disingenious because they just made it harder by moving the ball back 15 yards. Of course they're going to miss from a farther distance.

XPs are the equivalent of a 19 yd FG. XP percentages were steady at 98.something and 99.something for 20 years. They're at 94.5 from 15 yds further back. Hardly an epidemic. Those numbers are still consistent with the distance ranges for this era of kicking.


And every year, kickers get cut midseason because of panicking coaches. How else do these guys play for years with 3 or 4 stops along the way?


This is just like the old Lincoln Steffens anecdote of "creating crime waves" by over-reporting a story. The kicking percentages are consistent for the distances in this era. Only thing that has changed is an NFL rule intended to create more excitement.
Over-emphasize missed attempts, and make people feel as if things are changing - when they really aren't.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

AFC East in the NFL isn't any diffirent. The Pats have dominated their division longer than any team in the NBA has done to their division.

Football isn't a game that is built on series of games. It is built on series of plays. In one game anything can happen. The Pats will be favored to come out of the AFC but there is a greater possibility of them falling in one game than there is the Cavs losing 4 games to a much inferior eastern conference opponent.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

Look at the stats.
Every team is still averaging 2 field goal attempts per game.

Including Extra Points is disingenious because they just made it harder by moving the ball back 15 yards. Of course they're going to miss from a farther distance.

XPs are the equivalent of a 19 yd FG. XP percentages were steady at 98.something and 99.something for 20 years. They're at 94.5 from 15 yds further back. Hardly an epidemic. Those numbers are still consistent with the distance ranges for this era of kicking.


And every year, kickers get cut midseason because of panicking coaches. How else do these guys play for years with 3 or 4 stops along the way?


This is just like the old Lincoln Steffens anecdote of "creating crime waves" by over-reporting a story. The kicking percentages are consistent for the distances in this era. Only thing that has changed is an NFL rule intended to create more excitement.
Over-emphasize missed attempts, and make people feel as if things are changing - when they really aren't.

what I'm done....nikka the 94.5 is the lowest extra point percentage in modern history. What do you mean "hardly" an epidemic. I said the kicking is mediocre, I didn't say it was the worse of all time, or the end of the league. Those are assumptions you built into your explanation.

At this point this back and forth is ridiculous. On the second PFF link, Josh Brown is listed as having the top FG percentages in a season, despite only attempting 10 kicks. As I said before, comparing the stats on the first 4 games to the stats compiled during an entire season is wrong. If you can't understand that it's a wrap.

 

[Bless't]

Strong possibility.... They're asking way to much out of first year quarterbacks they force to start..... and on top of it, most coaches aren't gonna coach to their young QBs strength and bring them along slowly... like they did Big Ben and even Brady to an extent

Yeah. I agree with this completely. I mean, look at a lot of the O lines for teams this year. Pretty atrocious.

Build from the inside out again.

Back to a strong D and running the ball.

The NFL is Cyclical.