Always Online...... Lets discuss

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Without divulging into fanboy wars, lets discuss the implications of "always online" and the direction the industry is going as a whole.

I'll start by saying its no doubt worrisome, but some of the innovations may make it worth the trouble.

First off, for most games the new innovative features that are being added these days have something to do with connecting to the internet. I can only imagine this trend will continue. So even though "always online" sounds bad, will we really want to play our shiny new games without their shiny new features?

And things like cloud saves and computing obviously need the Internet. Having an "always online" console would ensure that developers use these features to improve gaming experiences

Also both Xbox and Ps4 are supposedly able to switch and save games on the fly, kinda like steam or a smartphone. If this is the case than having a disc in the drive is out of the question. Games would all have to be installed and ready to play at all times.

If games have to be installed and ready at all times, then it's reasonable that developers would want some type of protection against people installing and using one disc on multiple systems. This is where some type of online authentication needs to be done.

This could be alleviated if they set up the discs to only work on one console. Once the install is done the disc becomes usless, so there would be no need for authentication. But we as gamers wouldn't accept that because we love trading/reselling our games.

So how does Sony/Microsoft push for these innovations and satisfy customers?

My idea to address these problems would be to use a combination of both the discs and the Internet to authenticate ownership. Basically if the disc is in the drive you don't need to authenticate it. So as long as you have the disc you wouldn't need an Internet connection. Without the disc the ownership will have to be authenticated over the web. But then developers would have to choose between adding a totaly offline mode, or spending all it's resources on the core experience. The whole situation is quite a conundrum.

Thoughts? Do you think the new innovations are worth the new headaches? Would you rather them kill used games so online authentication wouldn't be required? Or would you rather them throw all these new features in the bushes and just let you play games how you've always played them?
 

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Without divulging into fanboy wars, lets discuss the implications of "always online" and the direction the industry is going as a whole.

I'll start by saying its no doubt worrisome, but some of the innovations may make it worth the trouble.

First off, for most games the new innovative features that are being added these days have something to do with connecting to the internet. I can only imagine this trend will continue. So even though "always online" sounds bad, will we really want to play our shiny new games without their shiny new features?

And things like cloud saves and computing obviously need the Internet. Having an "always online" console would ensure that developers use these features to improve gaming experiences

Also both Xbox and Ps4 are supposedly able to switch and save games on the fly, kinda like steam or a smartphone. If this is the case than having a disc in the drive is out of the question. Games would all have to be installed and ready to play at all times.

If games have to be installed and ready at all times, then it's reasonable that developers would want some type of protection against people installing and using one disc on multiple systems. This is where some type of online authentication needs to be done.

This could be alleviated if they set up the discs to only work on one console. Once the install is done the disc becomes usless, so there would be no need for authentication. But we as gamers wouldn't accept that because we love trading/reselling our games.

So how does Sony/Microsoft push for these innovations and satisfy customers?

My idea to address these problems would be to use a combination of both the discs and the Internet to authenticate ownership. Basically if the disc is in the drive you don't need to authenticate it. So as long as you have the disc you wouldn't need an Internet connection. Without the disc the ownership will have to be authenticated over the web. But then developers would have to choose between adding a totaly offline mode, or spending all it's resources on the core experience. The whole situation is quite a conundrum.

Thoughts? Do you think the new innovations are worth the new headaches? Would you rather them kill used games so online authentication wouldn't be required? Or would you rather them throw all these new features in the bushes and just let you play games how you've always played them?
I made a thread yesterday basically talking about this very subject. Truth is who cares what people say. People will complain about every and anything "innovative" until they get used to it. What you just explained is happening regardless if people like it or not. So lets look at it this way, what if this stuff happened 20yrs ago. What would life of been like? Well, who remembers going to there friends house to play games? Imagine you didn't have to bring the game with you, cuz they could just sign in via there gamertag and play the game on any console? Would of been awesome. Who remembers blowing into cartridges? Wouldn't of ever needed to happen. Who had a game damaged or stolen, maybe you let a friend borrow it and you never got it back? Impossible moving forward. Scratched disc, nope. Then when your done playing, you can still sell the game to gamestop/etc. And when the next man authenticates the disc? Then you lose ownership. Somebody might not even buy that game for months.. you probably still can access it til that happens. And if not, you sold it anyway so you shouldn't have that ability. But you might :ooh: Should we throw away all this innovation so some clown can be like "Hey, look at my lame fukk videogame collection!!!" (no offense to those who are ballin like that one guy) but its true. I'd much rather be able to switch between games on the fly than to admire a videogame collection. And if thats your angle, then used games isn't even an option. Lets embrace the future, or lets go back to music CD's. No more megamix's unless you got a 6disc in the car. There might be a little delay between CD's but hey, look at that CD case collection you get to carry around
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Lets go back to that my gamers!!!
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Ive been half ass paying attention to the console wars as of late but someone tell me why always online is bad?

Are cellphones,computers,tablets are always online no one seems to mind

or is always online in the console sense different?
 

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Ive been half ass paying attention to the console wars as of late but someone tell me why always online is bad?

Are cellphones,computers,tablets are always online no one seems to mind

or is always online in the console sense different?

Imagine being unable to use apps on your phone unless you had a signal. :cape:
 

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Imagine being unable to use apps on your phone unless you had a signal. :cape:

Now your just being idiotic about it. Can you use the netflix app on your phone without being connected? Your making it seem like the xbox is useless w/out an internet connection. Microsoft has made it clear thats not the case, then fanboys take out of context anything that is said. But in that ps4 thread where Kotaku called sony out for not being honest on there used game policy and you don't flinch or even seem to care that your being lied to again by a company that lied last gen. Its amazing how sad you guys are, how immature you guys are when things are not working out the way you hope. Remember the ps3 10yr cycle? PS3 didn't come out 10yrs ago, instead of saying "yeah, sony couldn't hold that promise down" you guys would rather then try to make it seem like sony meant something else :dead: When you guys stop trying to win a console war you already lost, maybe you'll start paying attention to what is really going on out here. This topic isn't Xbox One exclusive, you just want to believe that :smh:
 

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Now your just being idiotic about it. Can you use the netflix app on your phone without being connected? Your making it seem like the xbox is useless w/out an internet connection. Microsoft has made it clear thats not the case, then fanboys take out of context anything that is said. But in that ps4 thread where Kotaku called sony out for not being honest on there used game policy and you don't flinch or even seem to care that your being lied to again by a company that lied last gen. Its amazing how sad you guys are, how immature you guys are when things are not working out the way you hope. Remember the ps3 10yr cycle? PS3 didn't come out 10yrs ago, instead of saying "yeah, sony couldn't hold that promise down" you guys would rather then try to make it seem like sony meant something else :dead: When you guys stop trying to win a console war you already lost, maybe you'll start paying attention to what is really going on out here. This topic isn't Xbox One exclusive, you just want to believe that :smh:


Imagine not benig able to play angry birds unless you had a signal. :dead::cape:
 

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Imagine being unable to use apps on your phone unless you had a signal. :cape:

but my phone,tablet and computer ALWAYS has signal. In recent memory the only time they didn't was during hurricane sandy, and many many people did not, friend.
 

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Imagine not benig able to play angry birds unless you had a signal. :dead::cape:

Imagine having a signal, but hackers took down the network for over a month. Then when the network was back up, gamers of that platform didn't care that sony did little to prevent it from happening again. Then the "keys" was leaked and sony lost all control over its own PSN network. Imagine that, then imagine that same company is coming out with a new system and til this day hasn't said a single word about how PSN has or will improve. I hear MS now has dedicated everything, upped there servers from 15,000 to 300,000. I don't have to question if XBL is gonna improve, its already set in stone. PSN? Imagine what it'll be like for PS4? I know we all hope for one thing, but you can't seriously EXPECT much difference. Them being mum on the subject is beyond disturbing. Imagine them being silent on that topic. What would that make you feel like? This truth >>> Your angry bird story
 

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Imagine having a signal, but hackers took down the network for over a month. Then when the network was back up, gamers of that platform didn't care that sony did little to prevent it from happening again. Then the "keys" was leaked and sony lost all control over its own PSN network. Imagine that, then imagine that same company is coming out with a new system and til this day hasn't said a single word about how PSN has or will improve. I hear MS now has dedicated everything, upped there servers from 15,000 to 300,000. I don't have to question if XBL is gonna improve, its already set in stone. PSN? Imagine what it'll be like for PS4? I know we all hope for one thing, but you can't seriously EXPECT much difference. Them being mum on the subject is beyond disturbing. Imagine them being silent on that topic. What would that make you feel like? This truth >>> Your angry bird story

I dont feel the effects of this post on my gaming experience sorry, friend.

I do feel the effects of having to pay full price to let a friend borrow a game

I do feel the effects of having to connect my console to the internet to play a game i purchased

I do feel the effects of having to change AA batteries in my controller

I do feel the effects of seeing inferior multiplatform titles

I do feel the effects of being overseas with my system and being unable to access any of my television features.

This system........................................................................................................................................... :blessed: is trash!
 

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I dont feel the effects of this post on my gaming experience sorry, friend.

I do feel the effects of having to pay full price to let a friend borrow a game

I do feel the effects of having to connect my console to the internet to play a game i purchased

I do feel the effects of having to change AA batteries in my controller

I do feel the effects of seeing inferior multiplatform titles

I do feel the effects of being overseas with my system and being unable to access any of my television features.

This system........................................................................................................................................... :blessed: is trash!
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