Alligators and crocodiles are smarter than we thought

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/wi...-alligators-use-sticks-to-fish-for-birds.html

They are the ultimate ambush predators – capable of lying perfectly on the bottom of a river until the right moment to strike.

But it seems crocodiles are even sneakier than had been previously believed – they use twigs to lure nesting birds into their jaws.

Researchers noticed both mugger crocodiles, which are found in India, and American alligators in Louisiana, used small sticks to “fish” for the birds.

It is thought to be the first time reptiles have been found to use tools – something that was thought to be restricted to apes and intelligent birds such as crows.

The findings suggest that crocodiles and alligators are far more intelligent than has been previously thought.

Dr Vladimir Dinets, a researcher at the University of Tennessee in Knoxville who led the research, said: "This study changes the way crocodiles have historically been viewed.

"They are typically seen as lethargic, stupid and boring but now they are known to exhibit flexible multimodal signalling, advanced parental care and highly coordinated group hunting tactics.

“It provides a surprising insight into previously unrecognised complexity of archosaurian behaviour.”

Crocodiles and are among the last remaining predators from the time of the dinosaurs and have remained virtually unchanged for millions of years.

Dr Dinets and his colleagues spent a year observing alligators in Louisiana at two rookeries used by great egrets, snowy egrets, white ibis and spoonbills. Their findings are published in the journal Ethology, Ecology and Evolution.

They observed alligators collected twigs and balanced them across their snouts as they floated in the water.

This behaviour was only seen during the birds’ breeding season – between March and June.

The scientists claim the sticks were then used as lures to bring birds within striking distance of the alligators’ jaws.

Dr Dinets also reported similar behaviour witnessed by mugger crocodiles at the Madras Crocodile Bank near Chennai in India.

He said if birds got close enough the crocodiles would lunge for them.

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Dr Dinets said: "The crocs and 'gators find floating sticks, submerge nearby and then re-surface from underneath the sticks, masterfully balancing them on their snouts.

"In the tropics, mugger crocs can be seen doing it at any time of year.

“Large muggers lay in shallow water along the edge of the pond with small sticks or twigs positioned across their snouts.

“The crocodiles remained perfectly still for hours and they did move to change position, they did it in such a way that the sticks remained balanced on their snouts.

“On one occasion, an intermediate egret approached one of the crocodiles and stretched its neck towards the stick. The crocodile lunged at the bird.”

"Up north, where birds have a short breeding season, gators mostly do it in early spring, when egrets are busy building nests.

"At that time around egret colonies small sticks are in short supply, and egrets are desperately looking for them.

"So sometimes they try to get the ones from the reptiles' noses, either by wading up to them or by flying low over them to snatch them. But crocs and gators are very fast hunters, and they catch those birds."

Dr Dinets said that juvenile alligators did not seem to use sticks to lure birds, perhaps because their heads were too narrow.

He believes tool use may in fact be more widespread in reptiles than has previously been recognised and the results may also help shed some light onto their extinct relatives, the dinosaurs.

He said: “At least on of the species we looked at uses this method predominantly during the nest building season of its prey.

“This is the first known case of a predator not just using objects as lures, but also taking into account the seasonality of prey behaviour.

"These discoveries are interesting not just because they show how easy it is to underestimate the intelligence of even relatively familiar animals, but also because crocodilians are a sister taxon of dinosaurs and flying reptiles."
 

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What's with this "we" crap? I knew crocodiles were smart from a long time ago, like since like Milli Vanilli were on the scene.
 

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Great thread. Like the article says I have never read much about reptiles using tools. I guess birds build and use objects in their environment in a tool like fashion though, so :yeshrug:
 

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Great thread. Like the article says I have never read much about reptiles using tools. I guess birds build and use objects in their environment in a tool like fashion though, so :yeshrug:
Yeah I was surprised at this article. I always took gators and crocs to be prehistoric beasts sitting there and reacting off of pure hunger instinct. I didn't think they had even the limited reasoning capacity it required to use tools in this way.
 

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Yeah I was surprised at this article. I always took gators and crocs to be prehistoric beasts sitting there and reacting off of pure hunger instinct. I didn't think they had even the limited reasoning capacity it required to use tools in this way.
Low key, I think humans also look down on them intellectually because they are pretty much the only apex predators we can subdue without the use of tools.. they are still dangerous animals, but years of seeing people trick them and wrestle them on MTV and swamp people makes an impression.
 

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No shyt....they been around for more than 65 million years, you have to be somewhat intelligent to survive a few mass extinctions.....good article though.
This logic doesn't really hold up breh, some of the toughest organisms on this planet are dumb as shyt.

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This logic doesn't really hold up breh, some of the toughest organisms on this planet are dumb as shyt.

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I feel that. I was only saying that live in a competitive and diverse environments. They compete with a lot of other predators for the same amount of prey. They have to be somewhat intelligent to not only catch their prey but be able to get to their prey before other predators are in the area. They can't rely off of pure, simply stimuli and instincts every time. Plus they also have a diverse array of prey they go after. Going after bird is different than going after a mammal. They been doing this for several different major organic eras/time periods.

Just my logic breh, take it for what it is worth lol
 

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I feel that. I was only saying that live in a competitive and diverse environments. They compete with a lot of other predators for the same amount of prey. They have to be somewhat intelligent to not only catch their prey but be able to get to their prey before other predators are in the area. They can't rely off of pure, simply stimuli and instincts every time. Plus they also have a diverse array of prey they go after. Going after bird is different than going after a mammal. They been doing this for several different major organic eras/time periods.

Just my logic breh, take it for what it is worth lol
Crocodiles are pretty much the apex predators of their environments. I agree that they use a clever breed of stalking and camouflage, but they are also gifted with size, strength, and sharp powerful jaws as well. In my opinion their success has as much or more to do with raw physicality then a clever system.
 

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Crocodiles are pretty much the apex predators of their environments. I agree that they use a clever breed of stalking and camouflage, but they are also gifted with size, strength, and sharp powerful jaws as well. In my opinion their success has as much or more to do with raw physicality then a clever system.

I was speaking about secondary predators like lions, birds of prey, etc. But you got a point there about the raw physicality they are blessed with :ohhh:
 

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Yeah humans have known crocs and alligators use twigs since homosapiens first came on the scene when they were by rivers...super late pass..every people that live by rivers right now from papa New Guinea to Ethiopia know this shyt...this guy didnt discover shyt
 
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