Allen Iverson rated 6th best shooting guard of all-time ESPN shooting guard rankings.

[intruder]

earl monroe wouldve got a higher rank if he was more of an nba guy. they probably wouldve left him off altogether if he didnt help bring a chip to new york, so they hooked him up with that 10 spot like they did walt frazier on the other list.

my list:
1. jordan
2. bryant
3. iverson
4. west
5. wade
6. monroe
7. drexler
8. t-mac
9. richmond
10. vince carter or ray allen but i know im forgetting a few people. so this list is gonna be different next time i log on anyway.







the heat were one of the favorites to win it all going into that season.

revisionist history like a muhsukka.






every star player in the backcourt & on the wing is a ballhog. the only ones that arent are the spotty guys that arent great at creating.

dont just single out iverson because the media subliminally trained you to.

and you mention denver but they were cookin. had like 8 or 9 players droppin big numbers on a nightly basis. i couldve averaged at least 12 on that team.







yea.

at least bron is 6'8 and had mo williams.

iverson is like 5'10 and had no relief on offense.

Here we go. It's the media

 

[rapbeats]

That's why harden has so many rings because it's so easy to get to the line in playoffs with the slower pace and all

Oh wait shyt is actually hard as fukk

what does this DISPROVE? does anything you just said take away that dallas heat series being straight bogus? NO. we alll saw it. even the heat fans saw it. well fake heat fans that only pop up when they have a stacked squad. lol.

i've been a dwade fan since marquette. but i know what i saw. i saw a FT fest that won games for the heat. its not about just how many, its the TYPE of calls that were being made to give him a whistle vs say dirk being manhandeled by haslem for no calls. the same dirk that got that far with shaky calls vs the spurs. see i call it like i see it. that series was bogus. dwade couldnt shoot, so he had to rush the rim. but the paint was clogged with bodies. constantly giving him touch calls and calls everytime he bull rushes into traffic is bailing him out. This is what i mean years ago when i said the nba is starting to seriously MANUFACTURE their star players. they wont let them develop into all around players i.e JORDAN.

Jordan was a taller wade. all drive shaky jumper. but because they stop bailing him out. it Forced him to get a REAL jumper. then he became completely unguardable.

imagine if drex would've been bailed out vs the bulls.. when jordan/pippen would cut off his right hand dribble. when the entire world knew drex cant go left. imagine if the refs just kept bailing him out after the entire bulls teams and other teams were cutting off the right side. yet he still bull rushed the rim to that same side and ran into people. they would have drex above kobe knowing good and well he didnt deserve it.

again TMAC is a nba player. he never said one bad word about wade. so its not like they had beef. he didnt have skin in the game. he said he's boys hit him up about had suspect that series looked. and he had to agree. extremely spooky.

There is no defending it. it is what it is. wade's first ship was an * ship.

 

[ManBearPig]

Ray Allen is Def better than allen Iverson but this is the coli. People are more enamored with his swag then his actual play on the court. Iverson was the hood but one day we will admit he was overrated

Allen is easier to build around but Iverson is more talented

 

[Consumed]

yes it is indeed all analytical, and this is why people hate analytics.

youre focusing too much on numbers instead of acknowledging the obvious right in front of you.

the bucks had more going on than just ray allen offensively. as opposed to iverson, who was the sole source of 76ers offense, all while being a 5 footer..

No, this isn't about analytics. It's a FACT that Iverson played poorly and there is zero excuse for him shooting 34% from the field and averaging more shots taken that points scored. Who gives a fukk if he had a massive burden to carry on offense, it comes with the territory of being an offensive superstar and we've seen countless examples of players who were able to maintain high volume + efficiency despite a lack of talent around them. Iverson simply was not able to do the same. And Iverson was not the sole source of offense in that series, both Mckie and Mutumbo were quality contributors scoring 16ppg respectively (Mckie 6.7 apg) and the latter was monstrous on the offensive glass which was a key reason they even won the series.

Ya'll need to stop making excuses for Iverson and just admit when he plays like shyt and gets outplayed on the court. That's what happened in the '01 ECF and it's not even up for discussion. People hate analytics because it exposes their favorite player for what they really are.

 

[MoneyTron]

Jerry West over Dwade???? .

Don't even mention this doofy fukks name in the same sentence as DGAWD. .

I'm cringing at what passed for basketball back then .

West was better in his era than Wade in the current. Period.

 

[MewTwo]

Ehh, I'm a big fan of AI can go either way.. I just prefer Ray's effeciency and defense.. He was elite with Bucks and Sonics.. And obviously his clutch shooting..

He hit the most important shot in NBA history Game 6 vs Spurs

 

[Yayo Toure]

Good points but you gotta be realistic with the way the roster was set up. Ai had to Chuck just to give them a chance at winning. Think of LeBron in the finals last year he also had to Chuck since he was option 1-3 on offense

u forget the sixers had larry hughes, when AI came in the league he had stackhouse as a teammate... his play style isn't conducive to having another dynamic offensive player in the lineup. Same shyt with Lebron, Wade had to neuter his game to co-exist with Lebron and win those two championships. Kyrie is still balling out but if Lebron was truly an unselfish player(ie passing the ball not just to assist, but to encourage ball movement) kyrie would average 30+ppg.

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

No, this isn't about analytics. It's a FACT that Iverson played poorly and there is zero excuse for him shooting 34% from the field and averaging more shots taken that points scored. Who gives a fukk if he had a massive burden to carry on offense, it comes with the territory of being an offensive superstar and we've seen countless examples of players who were able to maintain high volume + efficiency despite a lack of talent around them. Iverson simply was not able to do the same. And Iverson was not the sole source of offense in that series, both Mckie and Mutumbo were quality contributors scoring 16ppg respectively (Mckie 6.7 apg) and the latter was monstrous on the offensive glass which was a key reason they even won the series.

Ya'll need to stop making excuses for Iverson and just admit when he plays like shyt and gets outplayed on the court. That's what happened in the '01 ECF and it's not even up for discussion. People hate analytics because it exposes their favorite player for what they really are.

Do you mean another year breh?

 

[big bun]

Iverson should be above Drexler.

 

[Roland Coltrane]

Where's Steve Smith

Eddie Jones too
both of them prolly top 20?

 

[rapbeats]

Ray Allen is Def better than allen Iverson but this is the coli. People are more enamored with his swag then his actual play on the court. Iverson was the hood but one day we will admit he was overrated

which ray allen? the boston ray was a decent defender. but anything prior to boston ray had NO DEFENSE> stop the lies.

AI's defense was shaky and all about playing the passing lanes.for steals.


but with that said. AI was a better player than ray allen. i'm talking ray's prime vs allens prime.

but lets just look at their head to head to find out for ourselves.

Ray Allen vs. Allen Iverson | Basketball-Reference.com

Player           G  W  L GS   MP  FG  FGA  FG%  3P 3PA  3P%  FT FTA  FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS
Allen Iverson   34 19 15 34 42.1 9.5 22.8 .416 1.2 3.5 .356 7.1 9.3 .766 1.0 3.0 4.0 5.4 1.9 0.1 3.2 1.9 27.4
Ray Allen       34 15 19 34 36.2 7.7 17.4 .444 2.3 6.6 .354 3.5 4.1 .856 1.2 3.0 4.3 4.0 1.1 0.2 2.9 3.0 21.2

 

[mvp_status]

Do you mean another year breh?

No AI shot 34% for the 2001 Eastern Conference Finals, he was terrible up until the 4th quarter of Game 6. Ray Allen outplayed him the whole series until Game 7

Btw Sixers won a game that series where AI shot 5-27 the carryjob narrative needs to stop

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

No AI shot 34% for the 2001 Eastern Conference Finals, he was terrible up until the 4th quarter of Game 6. Ray Allen outplayed him the whole series until Game 7

Btw Sixers won a game that series where AI shot 5-27 the carryjob narrative needs to stop

No fukking way we win one game against the Lakers without A.I.

Look at that season as a whole...A.I carried us breh...and for many seasons.

 

[Wacky D]

Allen is easier to build around but Iverson is more talented

what exactly are you building around ray allen?

people keep bringing up his rings but he won them while being like the 4th best player on those squads.

we might as well put robert horry over dominique, durant & them on our SF lists while we're at it.

Oh I get why people are high on Iverson, and the hype that he receives isn't proportionate to how good he actually was. Kobe & MJ were chuckers but they did so with far better efficiency and were on another planet offensively. Not to mention the fact that they were better defensively. Can say the same for Wade.

nah youre not getting it.

of course kobe & mj were more efficient. they had much better squads around them and theyre much bigger than iverson. the latter also attributes to why theyre better defensively.

its a basketball thing. its not just A & B.

u forget the sixers had larry hughes, when AI came in the league he had stackhouse as a teammate... his play style isn't conducive to having another dynamic offensive player in the lineup. Same shyt with Lebron, Wade had to neuter his game to co-exist with Lebron and win those two championships. Kyrie is still balling out but if Lebron was truly an unselfish player(ie passing the ball not just to assist, but to encourage ball movement) kyrie would average 30+ppg.

iverson co-existed well with larry hughes. the city loved that combo. the flight brothers.
iverson & stackhouse had beef, and that was prolly moreso on stack from what i remember.
iverson had no problem co-existing with players better than that in denver in detroit.

you should be criticizing kyrie irving. not lebron james. youre backwards.

No, this isn't about analytics. It's a FACT that Iverson played poorly and there is zero excuse for him shooting 34% from the field and averaging more shots taken that points scored. Who gives a fukk if he had a massive burden to carry on offense, it comes with the territory of being an offensive superstar and we've seen countless examples of players who were able to maintain high volume + efficiency despite a lack of talent around them. Iverson simply was not able to do the same. And Iverson was not the sole source of offense in that series, both Mckie and Mutumbo were quality contributors scoring 16ppg respectively (Mckie 6.7 apg) and the latter was monstrous on the offensive glass which was a key reason they even won the series.

Ya'll need to stop making excuses for Iverson and just admit when he plays like shyt and gets outplayed on the court. That's what happened in the '01 ECF and it's not even up for discussion. People hate analytics because it exposes their favorite player for what they really are.

you claim that youre not talking analytics, only to base an entire long-winded post on it, then brag about your use of analytics at the end of your post.

 

[Chico's Bail Bonds]

Jerry West over Dwade???? .

Don't even mention this doofy fukks name in the same sentence as DGAWD. .

I'm cringing at what passed for basketball back then .

That's not Jerry West. That's Bob Cousy who did not deserve his spot on the point guard list. Cousy was a product of the 50's. Jerry West played until 1974, basically the precipice of the modern era. He's not just a product of the 60's. Not saying he's better than Wade, but think of him as a white Steph Curry, quick shot, quick dribble, quick hands, slow feet. The man was the mvp of the 1972 all star game which featured Kareem, Elvin Hayes, Wes Unseld, Connie Hawkins, Walt Frazier and Wilt among others. He was far from a bum.