Alexandria Ocasio Cortez - "Not All Dems Are The Same"

[Json]

The tax proposal and the green new deal isn't anything new or revolutionary ...You're falling for it and the tax proposal is being laughed at because it doesn't fund any of her programs . This is no different then the call for wealthy to pay thejr fairs are despite their 1% paying almost half of the taxes in America. I agree close tax loops and deductions and close these for rich and corporations but you don't need a progressive tax rate hike

You are so defensive. No one is falling for anything.

I said it's coming from a rookie congressman. That's what's showing how far America has come to distrust the wealthy. She has no policy experience on a local or national level. She isn't from some think tank or has a legacy name in the Democratic Party. Why is she on 60 minutes discussing any of this?

Progressives have been pushing about climate and tax since forever. There are way more people and egg heads who could talk about this with authority but she's the one with the wind at her back.

 

[Perfectson]

You are so defensive. No one is falling for anything.

I said it's coming from a rookie congressman. That's what's showing how far America has come to distrust the wealthy. She has no policy experience on a local or national level. She isn't from some think tank or has a legacy name in the Democratic Party. Why is she on 60 minutes discussing any of this?

Progressives have been pushing about climate and tax since forever. There are way more people and egg heads who could talk about this with authority but she's the one with the wind at her back.

um okay. look at the end of the day, progressives are the ones trumpeting that the 1% doesn't pay the fair share. Not amount of facts or math will prove otherwise because it's become the battle cry despite it being based in fallacy and myth. And she has been the first Bernie Crony elected from a large state and being young and energetic they are using her as the conduit now.

 

[Json]

um okay. look at the end of the day, progressives are the ones trumpeting that the 1% doesn't pay the fair share. Not amount of facts or math will prove otherwise because it's become the battle cry despite it being based in fallacy and myth. And she has been the first Bernie Crony elected from a large state and being young and energetic they are using her as the conduit now.

Well considering how many fallacies and false arguments the 1% and many in Congress have used to undermine the environment, endanger lives(gun control)and put peoples health at risk( like Flint) to line their pockets then they built the distrust that’s coming back at them.

 

[Perfectson]

Well considering how many fallacies and false arguments the 1% and many in Congress have used to undermine the environment, endanger lives(gun control)and put peoples health at risk( like Flint) to line their pockets then they built the distrust that’s coming back at them.

can you share these arguments from the 1% regarding gun control and clean water (flint)? Also last time I checked there alot of regular joes pushing deregulation and drill baby drill then whats in the 1%

these are the myths and fallacies Im talking about. You're just spouting what you believe is true with no actual proof and again this has nothing to do with taxing 1% more and the ineffectiveness of it. This is a red herring that you presented btw...but I'm happy to discuss because it's mostly false and you're generalizing alot


here's where most of the 1% work

The Top 1 Percent: What Jobs Do They Have?

Security exchanges, brokers, real estate, bankers, lawyers, and physicians top the list.

How does any of these have to do with destroying the environment or putting peoples health at risk (which is a municipality issue).? LOL I'll wait for you to take my information , misinterpret and skew it and use it against me and changing your argument to fit the facts I presented.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

It's a fallacy to say the rich are paying their fair share because they pay more in taxes than everyone else. The rich has and makes more money than everyone else. So basic math dictates that they'd pay more.

For instance, Warren Buffet (a) has a lower effective tax rate than his secretary (b). Let's say these are the tax rates:

(a) pays an effective tax rate of 10% on his $1.00M yearly salary = $100k in taxes
(b) pays an effective tax rate of 15% on her $100K yearly salary = $15k in taxes

Why would anyone consider this fair? At the very least (a) should be at the same tax rate as (b). Why would the tax code increase the tax burden of a person 10 times poorer than Warren Buffet? Why would I (or anyone else) be okay with that?

I believe it fair to have everyone at the same tax rate as long as they are in the same income tax bracket. Otherwise, it's greed that serves no one but people who don't need it in the first place.

 

[Perfectson]

It's a fallacy to say the rich are paying their fair share because they pay more in taxes than everyone else. The rich has and makes more money than everyone else. So basic math dictates that they'd pay more.

For instance, Warren Buffet (a) has a lower effective tax rate than his secretary (b). Let's say these are the tax rates:

(a) pays an effective tax rate of 10% on his $1.00M yearly salary = $100k in taxes
(b) pays an effective tax rate of 15% on her $100K yearly salary = $15k in taxes

Why would anyone consider this fair? At the very least (a) should be at the same tax rate as (b). Why would the tax code increase the tax burden of a person 10 times poorer than Warren Buffet? Why would I (or anyone else) be okay with that?

I believe it fair to have everyone at the same tax rate as long as they are in the same income tax bracket. Otherwise, it's greed that serves no one but people who don't need it in the first place.

I agree, with your math, your first statement could be communicated clearer as I was frothing initially lol.

I agree with a flatter tax however and you also showed 1 example, there are others where they do pay higher effective rates

 

[HiphopRelated]

can you share these arguments from the 1% regarding gun control and clean water (flint)? Also last time I checked there alot of regular joes pushing deregulation and drill baby drill then whats in the 1%

these are the myths and fallacies Im talking about. You're just spouting what you believe is true with no actual proof and again this has nothing to do with taxing 1% more and the ineffectiveness of it. This is a red herring that you presented btw...but I'm happy to discuss because it's mostly false and you're generalizing alot


here's where most of the 1% work

The Top 1 Percent: What Jobs Do They Have?

Security exchanges, brokers, real estate, bankers, lawyers, and physicians top the list.

How does any of these have to do with destroying the environment or putting peoples health at risk (which is a municipality issue).? LOL I'll wait for you to take my information , misinterpret and skew it and use it against me and changing your argument to fit the facts I presented.

Many regular Joe's are idiots who are swayed to vote against themselves....We spoke on that earlier. They'll magically find oil in their back yard one day and don't want to be restricted.

Meanwhile, you got this Bond Villain running one of the largest companies in the world

 

[Perfectson]

Many regular Joe's are idiots who are swayed to vote against themselves....We spoke on that earlier. They'll magically find oil in their back yard one day and don't want to be restricted.

Meanwhile, you got this Bond Villain running one of the largest companies in the world

Lol@ bond villain.

Avg Joe may just understand not to be a hater ! Lol

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

Lol@ bond villain.

Avg Joe may just understand not to be a hater ! Lol

 

[Json]

can you share these arguments from the 1% regarding gun control and clean water (flint)? Also last time I checked there alot of regular joes pushing deregulation and drill baby drill then whats in the 1%

these are the myths and fallacies Im talking about. You're just spouting what you believe is true with no actual proof and again this has nothing to do with taxing 1% more and the ineffectiveness of it. This is a red herring that you presented btw...but I'm happy to discuss because it's mostly false and you're generalizing alot


here's where most of the 1% work

The Top 1 Percent: What Jobs Do They Have?

Security exchanges, brokers, real estate, bankers, lawyers, and physicians top the list.

How does any of these have to do with destroying the environment or putting peoples health at risk (which is a municipality issue).? LOL I'll wait for you to take my information , misinterpret and skew it and use it against me and changing your argument to fit the facts I presented.

Do you take a pill to be that obtuse?

This everything to do with taxing the 1% to save the environment they can't seem to keep their hands off to exploit for profit. You think Trump and Zinke came up with idea of trying to run around the clean-water act and shrinking national protected lands so states could sell contracts on their own or was it lawyers for big oil and other who pay their campaigns?

Environmental damage to ground water or ocean water like in the Gulf isn't just a municipality issue. There is one party hellbent on lax regulations and weakening the EPA because corporate money tells them to.


LOL. First I said the 1% and Congress since influence peddling needs people to enact it.

I can destroy your whole lame distraction with two words: KOCH BROS.

I mean we can get into how Wall Street and Congress have a problem with insider trading but we'll stick to the big guns.

You remember that KEYSTONE XL pipeline that was pushed through despite protest from Native Americans(who got blasted with water cannons) that they were going against laws and treaties and was a danger to the environment(which did have a leak a few months after despite claiming how safe it was)? What brotherly duo was putting forth pro-pipeline statistics cause they owned a bunch of refineries in Canada? They bankroll the Tea Party, Cato, and Heritage who in turn are putting for the talking points Faux News uses to influence Trump voters into alternative facts against their interest. So yeah your Regular Joe is spouting DRILL,BABY, DRILL on talking points feed to them.

Koch Brothers Positioned To Be Big Winners If Keystone XL Pipeline Is Approved | Reuters



So even after all these, people see Trump passing tax cuts used for corporate buybacks but we don't have enough money to fix our infrastructure/bridges or get Flint new pipes? So yeah, people are going to want to get the money to fix these things and it coming from the ones peddling their influence.


You go ahead and play this game like the 1% is just some lowly bunch of Americans just struggling to make it in "real estate". There are a lot of hard working people all over in the 1% and the 99% but like with everything else in life some people benefit from bad actions of others in the swamp. And the swamp of the 1% has a lot of bad actors.

 

[Perfectson]

Do you take a pill to be that obtuse?

This everything to do with taxing the 1% to save the environment they can't seem to keep their hands off to exploit for profit. You think Trump and Zinke came up with idea of trying to run around the clean-water act and shrinking national protected lands so states could sell contracts on their own or was it lawyers for big oil and other who pay their campaigns?

Environmental damage to ground water or ocean water like in the Gulf isn't just a municipality issue. There is one party hellbent on lax regulations and weakening the EPA because corporate money tells them to.


LOL. First I said the 1% and Congress since influence peddling needs people to enact it.

I can destroy your whole lame distraction with two words: KOCH BROS.

I mean we can get into how Wall Street and Congress have a problem with insider trading but we'll stick to the big guns.

You remember that KEYSTONE XL pipeline that was pushed through despite protest from Native Americans(who got blasted with water cannons) that they were going against laws and treaties and was a danger to the environment(which did have a leak a few months after despite claiming how safe it was)? What brotherly duo was putting forth pro-pipeline statistics cause they owned a bunch of refineries in Canada? They bankroll the Tea Party, Cato, and Heritage who in turn are putting for the talking points Faux News uses to influence Trump voters into alternative facts against their interest. So yeah your Regular Joe is spouting DRILL,BABY, DRILL on talking points feed to them.

Koch Brothers Positioned To Be Big Winners If Keystone XL Pipeline Is Approved | Reuters



So even after all these, people see Trump passing tax cuts used for corporate buybacks but we don't have enough money to fix our infrastructure/bridges or get Flint new pipes? So yeah, people are going to want to get the money to fix these things and it coming from the ones peddling their influence.


You go ahead and play this game like the 1% is just some lowly bunch of Americans just struggling to make it in "real estate". There are a lot of hard working people all over in the 1% and the 99% but like with everything else in life some people benefit from bad actions of others in the swamp. And the swamp of the 1% has a lot of bad actors.

And here's where your bullshyt starts and end. Non 1% were for all those initiatives as well. Who were the people protesting for the keystone? The workers who would be building the pipeline who was riding for EPA deregulation, workers who would be gaining jobs from drilling and deforestation . You mentioned Koch brothers thats 2 guys, I just showed you where the 1% are... they are physicians they are invest bankers lawyers who represent different interests on both sides of the aisle. You blaming everything in 1% is you being narrow minded tin foiled obtuse Moron and perhaps you should actually do some real due diligence instead of the battle cry of blaming and handful of people when there's people of all classes complicit

Libs have rich corrupt donors just like republicans and there's several people who agree with poor values because it benefits them. You are the one painting with a wide brush because you're ignorant , naive, and foolish

 

[Json]

And here's where your bullshyt starts and end. Non 1% were for all those initiatives as well. Who were the people protesting for the keystone? The workers who would be building the pipeline who was riding for EPA deregulation, workers who would be gaining jobs from drilling and deforestation . You mentioned Koch brothers thats 2 guys, I just showed you where the 1% are... they are physicians they are invest bankers lawyers who represent different interests on both sides of the aisle. You blaming everything in 1% is you being narrow minded tin foiled obtuse Moron and perhaps you should actually do some real due diligence instead of the battle cry of blaming and handful of people when there's people of all classes complicit

Libs have rich corrupt donors just like republicans and there's several people who agree with poor values because it benefits them. You are the one painting with a wide brush because you're ignorant , naive, and foolish

Take your ignorant, sanctimonious, morally bankrupt behind to sleep.

Trying to broad bush physicians and bankers as 1%. That's like calling all artist poor and starving. There all kinds of any profession. Lin Manuel Miranda and Lady Gaga aren't the same as the waitress working on a daytime soap or that guy living off residuals from the Cosby show.

The truth is that money and influence is a swamp. It has an eco-system. The Kochs, NRA, and Trump has lawyers and wall street banks making money off doing illegal things. There are also a lot of upstanding lawyers making money off the laws that those NRA/Cato/Koch lawyers made. There are so public officials serving the underserved in local communities barely making anything. Same with doctors in rural Kansas keeping small communities healthy, but there are also medical officials at large hospital overcharging insurance to make extra money or to make sure they get a large bonus. Doctors taking money from drug companies to prescribe like in the opioid crisis. Drug companies working to stop public options cause they don't want universal health care.

So get out of here with this woes of the banker, real estate, or physician. Let's not even get started on the Bernie Madoff's of Wall Street.

You wanted examples of how they affected the environment and I gave it to you.

 

[Perfectson]

Take your ignorant, sanctimonious, morally bankrupt behind to sleep.

Trying to broad bush physicians and bankers as 1%. That's like calling all artist poor and starving. There all kinds of any profession. Lin Manuel Miranda and Lady Gaga aren't the same as the waitress working on a daytime soap or that guy living off residuals from the Cosby show.

The truth is that money and influence is a swamp. It has an eco-system. The Kochs, NRA, and Trump has lawyers and wall street banks making money off doing illegal things. There are also a lot of upstanding lawyers making money off the laws that those NRA/Cato/Koch lawyers made. There are so public officials serving the underserved in local communities barely making anything. Same with doctors in rural Kansas keeping small communities healthy, but there are also medical officials at large hospital overcharging insurance to make extra money or to make sure they get a large bonus. Doctors taking money from drug companies to prescribe like in the opioid crisis. Drug companies working to stop public options cause they don't want universal health care.

So get out of here with this woes of the banker, real estate, or physician. Let's not even get started on the Bernie Madoff's of Wall Street.

You wanted examples of how they affected the environment and I gave it to you.

I posted factual breakdown of what the 1% is made up of. . we can go with that our we can just go with your opinion.

The rest of your tirade is bullshyt, you have corrupt 1% and you have corrupt 99%. You have poor people who work and try to help their families live and you have some who commit crimes and hurt others to make a buck. Thats called life, blaming rich people for issues is a cop out .There are few bad apples and rich people are consuming all these trees themselves, they aren't consuming all the gas or oil. It's the regular average person - everyone could easily buy a battery car right now in America and curb or if environmental issues and those are owned by 1% ...but let me guess the 1% also has mind control over the consumers they serve? Lol...keep blaming the rich for societies problems thats what people who cannot accept responsibility and accountability do best

 

[Secure Da Bag]

everyone could easily buy a battery car right now in America

Easily? Electric cars are more expensive than gasoline cars and superchargers aren't all over the country. In any given state, they're certainly not nearly as ubiquitous as a gas pump.

Also, we can't act like there aren't lobbies actively trying to keep coal, oil, and gas as the major providers of energy in this country. They are certainly putting millions of dollars into keeping it that way. Mind you, as I said the 10 year plan for the New Green Deal is ambitious. You freaked out about it. Imagine how the oil, gas, and coal industries are reacting.

 

[Json]

I posted factual breakdown of what the 1% is made up of. . we can go with that our we can just go with your opinion.

The rest of your tirade is bullshyt, you have corrupt 1% and you have corrupt 99%. You have poor people who work and try to help their families live and you have some who commit crimes and hurt others to make a buck. Thats called life, blaming rich people for issues is a cop out .There are few bad apples and rich people are consuming all these trees themselves, they aren't consuming all the gas or oil. It's the regular average person - everyone could easily buy a battery car right now in America and curb or if environmental issues and those are owned by 1% ...but let me guess the 1% also has mind control over the consumers they serve? Lol...keep blaming the rich for societies problems thats what people who cannot accept responsibility and accountability do best

I literally said there were hard workers in the 1% and the 99%.

There are a lot of hard working people all over in the 1% and the 99% but like with everything else in life some people benefit from bad actions of others in the swamp. And the swamp of the 1% has a lot of bad actors.

No one is saying the poor, middle class, or anything between have no blame. You're just parroting that All LIVES MATTER BS in the face of obvious bias towards hurting POC of a certain class type both siding. Asking to not kill black men at an alarming rate isn't the same as saying just kill white people and leave us alone. It's asking for equal treatment. If you can stand there with a straight face in the light of Trump's obvious bias towards removing protections that will have lasting affects on our environment and public health in the interest of special interest groups to make money and not see some need for balance we have nothing to talk about.


And thanks for making my point. Big Oil killed the first generation of Electric Cars in the 90s. We'd be on like the third or fourth generation and super cheap by now if we'd gone on it back then.