Alexandria Ocasio Cortez - "Not All Dems Are The Same"

[theworldismine13]

by your rationale, everybody would be a side piece to her because she didn't mention anyone specifically. which logically doesn't make any sense.

her platform does not hurt the black community. it in fact makes it better. nothing that you've mentioned is detrimental to the cause or the community. so really it's just pseudo-intellectualizing for the sake of feeling important.

PBT has enlightened me so I already know everything you are saying is because subconsciously you want acceptance and sexual access and are afraid to put black people first

 

[Secure Da Bag]

PBT has enlightened me so I already know everything you are saying is because subconsciously you want acceptance and sexual access and are afraid to put black people first

I want reparations for AAs. I want America to stop meddling in the prosperity of its neighbors. I want America to stop oppressing the Caribbean. How is any of this affecting my sexual access? If we're being real, it increases it.

I'm assuming with all this talk that you're in the NOI. I hope you are with the rhetoric you talking.

 

[theworldismine13]

I want reparations for AAs. I want America to stop meddling in the prosperity of its neighbors. I want America to stop oppressing the Caribbean. How is any of this affecting my sexual access? If we're being real, it increases it.

I'm assuming with all this talk that you're in the NOI. I hope you are with the rhetoric you talking.

how do I sound like NOI?

the sexual access theory is that a lot of black people go along to get along because they want sexual access to other races, its not that you will have less access

in this thread dudes are blatantly salivating over her and at the same time refusing to put black first, subconsciously they know that if they start talking black first they will lose sexual access and they will loss acceptance in the wider democratic party, PBT broke it down

 

[southpawstyle]

She kinda looks like Rosario Dawson

@southpawstyle

 

[Secure Da Bag]

the sexual access theory is that a lot of black people go along to get along because they want sexual access to other races, its not that you will have less access

Breh. That has been going on since time immemorial. Going along with the status quo while advancing your own agenda quietly is not new. Plenty of people of every background do it. A black man looks some pawg or mami in the eye speak on the things they agree with them on, conquistador her fertile lands, and move on with the real agenda? That's a problem? Well fukk it then, judge 'em and keep it moving. Now if a black man is selling out his people or brokering bad deals in exchange for acceptance or p*ssy, then yeah, he's a terrible c00n and should be dragged.

 

[intra vires]

Probably because people act like it could be.

Yeah I just saw her TLR thread.... They really don't know do they?

 

[theworldismine13]

Now if a black man is selling out his people or brokering bad deals in exchange for acceptance or p*ssy, then yeah, he's a terrible c00n and should be dragged.

Exactly, so again, what is she doing for black people specifically? Why are black people so excited for someone who has promised them nothing?

 

[Secure Da Bag]

Exactly, so again, what is she doing for black people specifically? Why are black people so excited for someone who has promised them nothing?

You quote me but

• you haven't told us what the selling out or brokered bad deal is.
  
• You haven't told us what in her platform is detrimental to the black agenda or the community.
  
• You haven't told us how she plans to leave out black people from her plan.
  
• You haven't told us specifically what she's doing wrong to black people.

The onus is on you, breh, to explain. Not us.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Exactly, so again, what is she doing for black people specifically? Why are black people so excited for someone who has promised them nothing?

What do you mean "promised them nothing"? What legitimate promises can any minority House candidate make to Black people? She could say that she's going to hand out reparations, pardon Mumia and Shakur, and get Juneteenth declared a national holiday, but what would any of that mean when you know no one can deliver any of it?

It's damn hard to move the dial with me, I've refused to vote for a major party candidate in 3 of the last 4 elections. But she looks as good as I can imagine we're going to get.

Medicare for all.
End private prisons.
Justice system reform.
Federal jobs guarantee.
Housing as a human right.
Free college education.
Campaign finance reform, Wall Street regulation reform, etc.

Sounds pretty good to me. But if you have someone better on the table in the near future, shoot your shot and let's hear it.

 

[Scholar]

She won because her district is 50 percent Hispanic let be real about it

"BUT BUT BUT She only won because she got the votes of the people who live in her district"

Miss us with your nonsense. Real Progressives put here

 

[BillBanneker]

Y'all gotta stop taking the troll bait

 

[theworldismine13]

What do you mean "promised them nothing"? What legitimate promises can any minority House candidate make to Black people? She could say that she's going to hand out reparations, pardon Mumia and Shakur, and get Juneteenth declared a national holiday, but what would any of that mean when you know no one can deliver any of it?

It's damn hard to move the dial with me, I've refused to vote for a major party candidate in 3 of the last 4 elections. But she looks as good as I can imagine we're going to get.

Medicare for all.
End private prisons.
Justice system reform.
Federal jobs guarantee.
Housing as a human right.
Free college education.
Campaign finance reform, Wall Street regulation reform, etc.

Sounds pretty good to me. But if you have someone better on the table in the near future, shoot your shot and let's hear it.

what i mean is she has promised nothing specific to black people. What she represents is a leftist agenda, its not a black agenda, her leftist agenda has only marginal more chance of passing than any specific promises to black people

black leftsits have been trying to tie black people to marxism/socialism/communism/liberlism for the past 100 years all you are doing by supporting is continuing that tradition

the issue is that leftsim is simply a kinder gentler form of white supremacy so if there is no real answer to the question of what specifically black people will get then there is no reason for black people to get excited

i dont need to come up with an alternative to her, my pov is that black people need to get money and an economy first, politics is not going to help black people, for now black people are better off splitting the vote

 

[Professor Emeritus]

what i mean is she has promised nothing specific to black people. What she represents is a leftist agenda, its not a black agenda, her leftist agenda has only marginal more chance of passing than any specific promises to black people

As I asked you, what legitimate promises can any minority House candidate make to Black people?

And it's ridiculous to think that someone needs to make "specific" promises to Black people in order for their candidacy to be good for Black people. Does George W. Bush make specific promises to White people when he ran? You see anyone making meaningful, specific promises to Asian people? Or Jews?

black leftsits have been trying to tie black people to marxism/socialism/communism/liberlism for the past 100 years all you are doing by supporting is continuing that tradition

I sure as hell ain't a marxist or a communist and I diverge quite a bit from most socialists and liberals. But how is what you've said even an argument? You could say, "Black -------- have been trying to tie black people to --------- for the past ------ years" for anything. That doesn't constitute an argument against it.

the issue is that leftsim is simply a kinder gentler form of white supremacy so if there is no real answer to the question of what specifically black people will get then there is no reason for black people to get excited

You're really going to have to explain that one. If you mean neoliberalism, sure. Whatever kind of "leftism" you could possibly describe that way, I sure as hell don't subscribe to it.

i dont need to come up with an alternative to her, my pov is that black people need to get money and an economy first, politics is not going to help black people, for now black people are better off splitting the vote

If you follow my posts you'd see that I'm not a Democrat and I've been happy not to vote for Democrats more often than not. And I absolutely agree that the MAIN focus needs to be on community, not politics, and that politics ain't gonna save shyt. But as long as there are politicians out there and we talking about them, her agenda looks a lot better than what the Democrats in power have been trying to sell the Black community on. And the Republicans aren't even an option.

 

[theworldismine13]

As I asked you, what legitimate promises can any minority House candidate make to Black people?

if they cant make any legitamte promises to black people then what are black people excited about?

And it's ridiculous to think that someone needs to make "specific" promises to Black people in order for their candidacy to be good for Black people. Does George W. Bush make specific promises to White people when he ran? You see anyone making meaningful, specific promises to Asian people? Or Jews?

george bush's political existence is basically a promise to keep things white
she is making specific promises to LGBT and puerto ricans and other hispanics,

and nowadays all politicians make a specific promise to protect isreal which is a specific promise to jews

etc

I sure as hell ain't a marxist or a communist and I diverge quite a bit from most socialists and liberals.

you can call yourself whatever you want but this list

Medicare for all.
End private prisons.
Justice system reform.
Federal jobs guarantee.
Housing as a human right.
Free college education.
Campaign finance reform, Wall Street regulation reform, etc.


is essentially a leftist/socialist agenda and she herself call herself a democratic socialist

so regardless of what you consider yourself you have endorsed a "democratic socialist" agenda and are excited about it

But how is what you've said even an argument? You could say, "Black -------- have been trying to tie black people to --------- for the past ------ years" for anything. That doesn't constitute an argument against it.

the argument wasnt against her agenda per se, the argument was that there is nothing in it that is specific to black people and that it will continue that way when she gets in office

You're really going to have to explain that one. If you mean neoliberalism, sure. Whatever kind of "leftism" you could possibly describe that way, I sure as hell don't subscribe to it.

i just mean leftists like her, sanders and hillary clinton, they represents a kinder gentler form of white supremacy

If you follow my posts you'd see that I'm not a Democrat and I've been happy not to vote for Democrats more often than not. And I absolutely agree that the MAIN focus needs to be on community, not politics, and that politics ain't gonna save shyt. But as long as there are politicians out there and we talking about them, her agenda looks a lot better than what the Democrats in power have been trying to sell the Black community on. And the Republicans aren't even an option.

well first of all what she is selling is basically the same thing Sanders was selling which is basically a more leftist version of the mainstream democratic party, its not anything new, specifically she is like a puerto rican Kucinich, look him up, and i predict she will end up being as effective as he was

the main focus needs to be on money and economics, black people should be excited when the discussion is about increasing money and economic power in the black community, not when some random marxist politician wins[/QUOTE]

 

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