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then she should say that, I am for justice reform for black people

No, you should know that by now. Especially seeing as 3 people have told you this already.

I warned you earlier...

so really it's just pseudo-intellectualizing for the sake of feeling important.

There might be things that PBT is right about. But Ocasio-Cortez's platform or her is not worth arguing about. Clearly, there's nothing to argue about.

Now that all the strawmen have been knocked out and removed, can we (as in black Dems, liberals, progressives, and leftists) agree that more Democrats should be like this?
 
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I looked up the numbers - only 45% of immigrants are Hispanic. 10% are Black. So it affects both groups.

Even for illegal immigrants, it's just over 3/4 Hispanic.

you are just repeating what i just told you, the vast majority of illegal immigrants are Hispanic and immigration only effects a miniscule amount of black people, 90 percent of immigrants are non black

so making promises about immigration is a promise to latinos

But what was her "specific" promise to illegal immigrants? When the grown ups in the room were talking, we already pointed out that ICE affects far more than just illegal immigrants, it affected me LAST MONTH. Ending ICE isn't "granting amnesty", you're just wrong.

i thought you read her platform, she promised to end ICE and grant amnesty to dreamers and presumable their parents also




She said EXACTLY that, I quoted it twice. :what:

she said african americans AND people of color

She added "and people of color", but when you're talking about Jim Crow, redlining, etc. you're obviously talking about Black people, and then she specifically said, "African Americans."

thats nice

Everything she's said about immigration you take as being "specifically" Hispanic even though only 45% of immigrants are Hispanic (75% of illegals), but the things she says about African Americans and Black Lives matter and justice reform you don't take as "specifically" Black even though the % of those affected who are Black has got to be close to 50% and she calls out Black people by name.

yeah she is basiaclly throwing a bone out to black people, compare mention of african americans with her promises to puerto rico

Months after Hurricane Maria, which ravaged Puerto Rico, our fellow Americans still suffer for want of basic utilities and billions in federal aid that they are entitled to as citizens. In that time the United States has allowed its own citizens to go without reliable electricity, potable water, and open schools. That includes Alexandria’s own family. Our friends and family in Puerto Rico thus suffer the double humiliation of being denied disaster relief from their own government on the basis of their disenfranchisement. As a member of Congress, Alex commits to championing justice for Puerto Rico on the House floor.


The US Government has done nothing while Puerto Ricans have suffered an island-wide blackout, seen public tuition double for all aspiring collegiate students, and been deprived of their humanity with under-reporting of hurricane-related deaths. A recent Harvard report stating that the real numbers are approaching 5,000, more than 70 times what is being reported. Americans would not stand for this in any other city or state, and we can’t stand for it now. Our government has a responsibility to act and pursue a just recovery in Puerto Rico.


As a Congresswoman, Alexandria intends to fight for sweeping change in the way that the United States relates to Puerto Rico, including 5 main policy priorities:


1) A Marshall Plan for Puerto Rico, helping the island not only recover from Hurricane Maria, but thrive with modern infrastructure and renewable energy systems.

2) A community-led, sustainable, and just recovery - including protections for Puerto Rico’s public education system from kindergarten to college and trade school.

3) An immediate waiver and full review of the Jones Act, which hamstrings the Puerto Rican economy with restrictions that other American communities do not have to face.

4) Cancellation of Puerto Rico’s Wall Street debt: this debt has been accrued by vulture funds using irresponsible and unjust behavior reminiscent of the 2008 financial crisis.

5) Condemnation of the PROMESA Act, which handed over the island to “La Junta,” a corporate governance board installed with the support of my opponent and his private equity donors.


These issues just scrape the surface of the long and difficult history of the U.S. in Puerto Rico. In fact, many of our most pressing issues of justice today - from Puerto Rico, to Standing Rock, to Riker’s Island - are extensions of the dark histories that our nation has never fully remedied: whether that be slavery, Jim Crow, and the War on Drugs; the genocide of native peoples and the plight of modern-day reservations; or the colonization and continued disenfranchisement of Puerto Ricans and people in U.S. territories. To move forward, we must recognize that our present-day issues have deep-past roots. That healing feat is both emotionally and legislatively difficult, but ultimately, it’s the right thing to do.


Over time, we hope to continue our work with activists, community leaders, and policymakers to figure out what social, economic, and racial justice looks like in the modern day. As your Congresswoman, Alexandria will seek to make sure that everyone in the United States is treated fairly by our government, and that the unequal, traumatic relationships of the past are replaced with the true spirit of this great nation: liberty and justice for all.

puerto rico gets the equivalent of a verse, black people get the equivalent of half a bar, thanks alexandria
 
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yeah she is basiaclly throwing a bone out to black people, compare mention of african americans with her promises to puerto rico

puerto rico gets the equivalent of a verse, black people get the equivalent of half a bar, thanks alexandria

There were THREE ENTIRE BILLS linked to the spot regarding African-Americans and justice reform.

The Puerto Rico relief was spelled out instead of linked because there aren't any existing bills addressing what she wants to do yet.

Is that seriously what your whole issue boils down to? :why:

"Sure, her platform would help Black people, but not 'specifically' Black people. Okay, maybe specifically black people, but she doesn't put enough words about it on her website, she links the relevant bills instead! We might as well be electing Stephen Miller!"
 

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These issues just scrape the surface of the long and difficult history of the U.S. in Puerto Rico. In fact, many of our most pressing issues of justice today - from Puerto Rico, to Standing Rock, to Riker’s Island - are extensions of the dark histories that our nation has never fully remedied: whether that be slavery, Jim Crow, and the War on Drugs; the genocide of native peoples and the plight of modern-day reservations; or the colonization and continued disenfranchisement of Puerto Ricans and people in U.S. territories. To move forward, we must recognize that our present-day issues have deep-past roots. That healing feat is both emotionally and legislatively difficult, but ultimately, it’s the right thing to do.

Sounds like an alley-oop for reparations. Given the rest of her platform, I'm willing to give her a chance to see what else she does.
 

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There were THREE ENTIRE BILLS linked to the spot regarding African-Americans and justice reform.

The Puerto Rico relief was spelled out instead of linked because there aren't any existing bills addressing what she wants to do yet.

Is that seriously what your whole issue boils down to? :why:

"Sure, her platform would help Black people, but not 'specifically' Black people. Okay, maybe specifically black people, but she doesn't put enough words about it on her website, she links the relevant bills instead! We might as well be electing Stephen Miller!"

you are focusing on sentences, im just responding to your questions, im not even arguing about her actual platform

my point is bigger than just sentences, and her promising to do something about justice reform doesnt cover it

im saying that black issues will ultimately fall be the wayside if black people dont force politicians to address black issues specifically and black people are not winning anything by her winning
 

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Sounds like an alley-oop for reparations. Given the rest of her platform, I'm willing to give her a chance to see what else she does.


you are doing what PBT was talking about, people read things into empty broad statements made by politicians

what she is actually doing in that statement you quoted is using black history to advocate for benefits for non black people

in other words we need 200 million dollars for PR because of Jim Crow...thats how black people get bamboozled, she is actually a dangerous woman from a black power perspective, she got a bunch of black people celebrating her while she focuses on non black people
 

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How is this a bad thing? Our democracy is dying due to our political system being an oligopoly
:snoop: breh i would PROUDLY vote for this woman

you guys think im a real piece of shyt, huh :laff: i know we dont always see eye to eye on like 3 issues, but im not the enemy
 
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