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Niko House is dope. Haven't watched this yet but from the title I'm disappointed in AOC. :francis:

I've been avoiding this thread on purpose because I know her fans can be rabid if you criticize anything about her (she's never bothered me much, but I've never liked her that much), BUT NOW her record is forming in front of us and her fans can't hide from criticism anymore.

She wasn't at that rally either for Ilhan Omar. :mjpls:

Meanwhile Ayanna Pressly been putting in work lately. :jawalrus:
 

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Niko House is dope. Haven't watched this yet but from the title I'm disappointed in AOC. :francis:

We're expressing opinions based on the title of Youtube videos now. :snoop:

AOC has repeatedly slammed the slightest idea of any military intervention from Bolton/Pompeo/Trump etc. She's one of the ones who sent the letter to Pompeo asking him to publicly rule out military intervention, while also condemning the sanctions against Venezuela. She made another statement last month denouncing the idea of any invasion and saying that it was the Venezuelan people's right to decide who their government is.

The complaining about her is solely due to her saying, "I defer to caucus leadership on how we navigate this," when a reporter tried to pin her down on supporting Maduro in the presidency. Maduro is obviously an extremely problematic president who wouldn't deserve support under any other circumstances. If it weren't for the Trump administration hating on Venezuela, progressives would have as many issues with Maduro as conservatives do. On top of that, she'd be stupid to tie herself closer to failed Venezuelan socialism when that's the exact thing that opponents of the Democratic Socialists want to use to taint the movement.

She's gone with a PC answer on an inconsequential sub-issue of one debate, in order to stave off a larger issue. It's not a big deal. So long as she keeps critiquing military intervention and sanctions, she's doing her job in regards to Venezuela, we don't need her caping for someone like Maduro.
 

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We're expressing opinions based on the title of Youtube videos now. :snoop:

AOC has repeatedly slammed the slightest idea of any military intervention from Bolton/Pompeo/Trump etc. She's one of the ones who sent the letter to Pompeo asking him to publicly rule out military intervention, while also condemning the sanctions against Venezuela. She made another statement last month denouncing the idea of any invasion and saying that it was the Venezuelan people's right to decide who their government is.

The complaining about her is solely due to her saying, "I defer to caucus leadership on how we navigate this," when a reporter tried to pin her down on supporting Maduro in the presidency. Maduro is obviously an extremely problematic president who wouldn't deserve support under any other circumstances. If it weren't for the Trump administration hating on Venezuela, progressives would have as many issues with Maduro as conservatives do. On top of that, she'd be stupid to tie herself closer to failed Venezuelan socialism when that's the exact thing that opponents of the Democratic Socialists want to use to taint the movement.

She's gone with a PC answer on an inconsequential sub-issue of one debate, in order to stave off a larger issue. It's not a big deal. So long as she keeps critiquing military intervention and sanctions, she's doing her job in regards to Venezuela, we don't need her caping for someone like Maduro.
Thanks for the information. Like I said I didn't watch the video.
 

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You are an adult. Not only are you to lazy to watch a YouTube video, you are basing your replies on the title of YouTube videos.

You are an adult. Grow up.
I'm busy not lazy. I haven't had a chance yet.
And why are we treating this board like they are scripture. I made an off hand comment fukkin' relax. It's not that serious.
 

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Someone should take the religious angle on this and hit it really really hard. The Bible is full of commands against profiting from interest. It was seen as a major sin and abuse of the poor. For most of church history interest was capped at 12% or less or outright banned. It's banned in Islam and a lot of other religious and secular systems too. I'm sure there are conservatives who would get on board - if the right person could get those conservatives to get vocal about it and push the religious angle hard, then it might have a chance.
 

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Someone should take the religious angle on this and hit it really really hard. The Bible is full of commands against profiting from interest. It was seen as a major sin and abuse of the poor. For most of church history interest was capped at 12% or less or outright banned. It's banned in Islam and a lot of other religious and secular systems too. I'm sure there are conservatives who would get on board - if the right person could get those conservatives to get vocal about it and push the religious angle hard, then it might have a chance.

Interesting. I thought that was only among your people. As in, Jews don't charge Jews predatory rates and Muslims don't charge Muslims predatory rates. But if you're outside, then everyone else can get it.
 

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Someone should take the religious angle on this and hit it really really hard. The Bible is full of commands against profiting from interest. It was seen as a major sin and abuse of the poor. For most of church history interest was capped at 12% or less or outright banned. It's banned in Islam and a lot of other religious and secular systems too. I'm sure there are conservatives who would get on board - if the right person could get those conservatives to get vocal about it and push the religious angle hard, then it might have a chance.

This is a dope idea for a different approach.
 

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Someone should take the religious angle on this and hit it really really hard. The Bible is full of commands against profiting from interest. It was seen as a major sin and abuse of the poor. For most of church history interest was capped at 12% or less or outright banned. It's banned in Islam and a lot of other religious and secular systems too. I'm sure there are conservatives who would get on board - if the right person could get those conservatives to get vocal about it and push the religious angle hard, then it might have a chance.

This is a dope idea for a different approach.

Bernie Sanders actually did bring that up when he and AOC first introduced this plan.
 

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Interesting. I thought that was only among your people. As in, Jews don't charge Jews predatory rates and Muslims don't charge Muslims predatory rates. But if you're outside, then everyone else can get it.
That's true within the theocracies but remember, by that same division you're allowed to go to war and commit genocide and all that good stuff to those outsiders too. So claims, "it's okay to charge high interest rates" are about as valid as saying, "it's okay to kill all their men and make their daughters your wives."

To go with the insider/outsider argument is to acknowledge that high interest rates are inherently abusive and damaging.

In the New Testament, when those dividing walls were torn down and everyone was to be considered your neighbor who you were responsible to love, it became a sin to take advantage of anyone whether they were an "insider" or not. So the church prohibitions against interest that started from the beginning and lasted in some cases all the way into the 1800s were general, then had nothing to do with inside or outside.
 

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Someone should take the religious angle on this and hit it really really hard. The Bible is full of commands against profiting from interest. It was seen as a major sin and abuse of the poor. For most of church history interest was capped at 12% or less or outright banned. It's banned in Islam and a lot of other religious and secular systems too. I'm sure there are conservatives who would get on board - if the right person could get those conservatives to get vocal about it and push the religious angle hard, then it might have a chance.
exactly. where do people think the wiping bad credit things on your credit report after 7 years, comes from?

He was most likely speaking to Jews which is why it says to foreigners you can ask for the money even after the 7 years. since at that time only jews were apart of the same spiritual family. since that family has been extended to ALL who Believe. then all those who believe should be extended the 7 year rule.

Deuteronomy 15 ASV
The Seventh Year
Deuteronomy 15:1-6

(Exodus 23:10-13; Leviticus 25:1-7)



1At the end of every seven years thou shalt make a release. 2And this is the manner of the release: every creditor shall release that which he hath lent unto his neighbor; he shall not exact it of his neighbor and his brother; because Jehovah's release hath been proclaimed. 3Of a foreigner thou mayest exact it: but whatsoever of thine is with thy brother thy hand shall release.4Howbeit there shall be no poor with thee; (for Jehovah will surely bless thee in the land which Jehovah thy God giveth thee for an inheritance to possess it;) 5if only thou diligently hearken unto the voice of Jehovah thy God, to observe to do all this commandment which I command thee this day. 6For Jehovah thy God will bless thee, as he promised thee: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, but thou shalt not borrow; and thou shalt rule over many nations, but they shall not rule over thee.
 
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