Alabama teacher unveils bulletproof room for class

[Seoul Gleou]

Harsher law like what? Criminals already know the consequences and don't care. Some of em even like jail.

Serve up the death penalty and you may have a point.

1. there are currently 4 federal laws that range from fines to imprisonment. all of which are being challenged constantly by lobbyists and interpreted differently on the state level. people forget that politicians WORK FOR US. we hire them by voting and their job is to do this shyt i.e. federal laws that are comprehensive and almost excessively punitive.

2. the VAST majority of these mass shooters have had mental problems and were not criminals. criminals tend to operate on opportunity; a criminal gets nothing from murdering a bunch of children. they DO get something from holding up a bank...and even then, they don't light up the place with their gun.

if its clear to EVERYONE, not just criminals, that not being a responsible gun owner is like not being a responsible car owner (having a license, going to school, the state knowing your limitations like vision and other handicaps), and that the punishment is severe...things would change drastically.

again, i seem to be the only one in this exchange coming up with solutions rather than rolling over and saying it is what it is. that mentality is what got us to this point

 

[50CentStan]

More realistic at stopping a threat than gun control.

 

[the elastic]

Well it's not like we can get Thanos to snap his finger.

The only solution is to sweep the streets of guns and even then there's so many on the streets.

Police are too p*ssy to do that. They'd only be motivated to do that if they were allowed to go Brazil mode on the suspects.

 

[Arcavian]

The important detail that people overlook when discussing the topic of arming teachers

That would happen

 

[KBtheKey]

i've read this a lot in comments sections after every shooting.

im genuinely curious. is the argument here that if we ban guns, there are less of them out there but shootings still happen?

are you aware that there would be less shootings as a result? cocaine is illegal, and people will get their hands on it if they want it. but how many mass coke overdoses have you heard of? alcohol is legal, people can drink and drive if they want to, but how many drink and drive deaths have happened since punishment for it became harsher?

i've also heard people will just use other means. currently, americans are more likely to die from guns than sharp objects like knifes and swords, terrorist attacks, and environmental disasters.
they are more likely to die from guns than car accidents.

what do you think a ban on guns or harsher laws will do to these odds? keep them the same or reduce them?

There are way too many guns here already and they aren't as disposable as drugs. The only difference is black market sales will increase but it might not even be by that much. The same way cocaine and bulk fent makes it over here is the same way guns make it over here. Making them legal didn't make it anywhere near impossible to obtain them. And overdoses are unintentional user error. Shooters hardly ever unintentionally kill people. Weak comparison.

Plus it's not incredibly difficult to manufacture firearms or ammunition. It will just be another trade/hobby that certain groups and enthusiasts pick up.

People without those means who still want to be a terrorist will also eventually settle for poisonous darts, gas, chemical attacks, homemade explosives, etc. The information on those is already all over the internet. They just go to guns because it's as simple as point and click

There's something wrong with the country and i think taking away legally obtained firearms puts more people at risk. How could you defend yourself against someone with a black market gun if you're unarmed? Police ain't showing up for 15 min and they might even peace out and call in the swat unit.

What will people do when guns get banned and shootings continue to happen at the same rate?

 

[Seoul Gleou]

There are way too many guns here already and they aren't as disposable as drugs. The only difference is black market sales will increase but it might not even be by that much. The same way cocaine and bulk fent makes it over here is the same way guns make it over here. Making them legal didn't make it anywhere near impossible to obtain them. And overdoses are unintentional user error. Shooters hardly ever unintentionally kill people. Weak comparison.

Plus it's not incredibly difficult to manufacture firearms or ammunition. It will just be another trade/hobby that certain groups and enthusiasts pick up.

People without those means who still want to be a terrorist will also eventually settle for poisonous darts, gas, chemical attacks, homemade explosives, etc. The information on those is already all over the internet. They just go to guns because it's as simple as point and click

There's something wrong with the country and i think taking away legally obtained firearms puts more people at risk. How could you defend yourself against someone with a black market gun if you're unarmed? Police ain't showing up for 15 min and they might even peace out and call in the swat unit.

What will people do when guns get banned and shootings continue to happen at the same rate?

there are more guns because there arent enough strict laws limiting the manufacturing and flow of them. like i mentioned earlier, there are now more guns than americans; the first time in its history. it wasn't always this way. so ask yourself what was different 60 years ago versus now? limitations on flows of guns and limitations consistent emphasis of the seriousness of owning and using them. again, there's a black market for illicit drugs but by and large they are not as available in the US as people may think. mass shooters may not unintentionally kill people but look at the chart; accidental gunshots kill people almost as much as mass shooters. unintentional kills by mass shooters is an oxymoron.

as for the manufacturing of firearms, ironically chris rock had a brilliant idea. if you make bullets incredibly expensive, it curbs access to a key part of using guns. so having legislation that taxes sales of bullets and manufacturing of them actually benefits everyone; the government and people who want to own them legally. afterall, if you love guns and want to be a responsible owner, you have no problem paying for bullets to protect yourself. if you're the government you're eating off the taxes from sales of bullets. if you're black market, you can keep your prices high because youre not trying to lose money on each sale of bullets

i'm not necessarily arguing for taking away guns. i'm saying there should be explicit, punitive laws that make it clear owning them is a big deal and owning them illegally might as well be worse than holding drugs illegally. i'm talking ads, police raiding homes, retailers facing prison time instead of just fines.
i think there should also be an incentive similar to cash for clunkers. there should be a one time program for people to get cash for their guns. have it in tiers for different guns (rifles, shotguns, pistols, etc). each citizen will receive an incentive, legal or illegal.

shootings will not continue at the same rate if there's a ban, though. that is fundamentally what bans do; reduce the rate of occurence for what is being banned. i mean, if we ban a user here that keeps posting dog dikks, do you think dog dikks will keep getting posted? of course not.

 

[fact]

Anybody that has any teachers in their family, or amongst their friends, are laughing. Schools, especially in fukking Alabama, can’t even afford pencils, but dropping 50k a wall shouldn’t be an issue at all. I fukking hate this country sometimes.

 

[fact]

There are way too many guns here already and they aren't as disposable as drugs. The only difference is black market sales will increase but it might not even be by that much. The same way cocaine and bulk fent makes it over here is the same way guns make it over here. Making them legal didn't make it anywhere near impossible to obtain them. And overdoses are unintentional user error. Shooters hardly ever unintentionally kill people. Weak comparison.

Plus it's not incredibly difficult to manufacture firearms or ammunition. It will just be another trade/hobby that certain groups and enthusiasts pick up.

People without those means who still want to be a terrorist will also eventually settle for poisonous darts, gas, chemical attacks, homemade explosives, etc. The information on those is already all over the internet. They just go to guns because it's as simple as point and click

There's something wrong with the country and i think taking away legally obtained firearms puts more people at risk. How could you defend yourself against someone with a black market gun if you're unarmed? Police ain't showing up for 15 min and they might even peace out and call in the swat unit.

What will people do when guns get banned and shootings continue to happen at the same rate?

You are right, too many guns, no point in doing anything at all, and just accept it all. You took that bait, hook, line, and sinker. Is it cynical or fright?

 

[KBtheKey]

You are right, too many guns, no point in doing anything at all, and just accept it all. You took that bait, hook, line, and sinker. Is it cynical or fright?

Something is better than nothing. I'm just saying the results aren't going to what a lot of people hope for. Not trying to be pessimistic, but the reality is there for all to see

 

[KBtheKey]

there are more guns because there arent enough strict laws limiting the manufacturing and flow of them. like i mentioned earlier, there are now more guns than americans; the first time in its history. it wasn't always this way. so ask yourself what was different 60 years ago versus now? limitations on flows of guns and limitations consistent emphasis of the seriousness of owning and using them. again, there's a black market for illicit drugs but by and large they are not as available in the US as people may think. mass shooters may not unintentionally kill people but look at the chart; accidental gunshots kill people almost as much as mass shooters. unintentional kills by mass shooters is an oxymoron.

as for the manufacturing of firearms, ironically chris rock had a brilliant idea. if you make bullets incredibly expensive, it curbs access to a key part of using guns. so having legislation that taxes sales of bullets and manufacturing of them actually benefits everyone; the government and people who want to own them legally. afterall, if you love guns and want to be a responsible owner, you have no problem paying for bullets to protect yourself. if you're the government you're eating off the taxes from sales of bullets. if you're black market, you can keep your prices high because youre not trying to lose money on each sale of bullets

i'm not necessarily arguing for taking away guns. i'm saying there should be explicit, punitive laws that make it clear owning them is a big deal and owning them illegally might as well be worse than holding drugs illegally. i'm talking ads, police raiding homes, retailers facing prison time instead of just fines.
i think there should also be an incentive similar to cash for clunkers. there should be a one time program for people to get cash for their guns. have it in tiers for different guns (rifles, shotguns, pistols, etc). each citizen will receive an incentive, legal or illegal.

shootings will not continue at the same rate if there's a ban, though. that is fundamentally what bans do; reduce the rate of occurence for what is being banned. i mean, if we ban a user here that keeps posting dog dikks, do you think dog dikks will keep getting posted? of course not.

I'm truly sorry breh, but i didn't come here to have an extended debate. Didn't read but i appreciate the effort

 

[old pig]

oh she got room for that??

 

[jwinfield]

Anybody that has any teachers in their family, or amongst their friends, are laughing. Schools, especially in fukking Alabama, can’t even afford pencils, but dropping 50k a wall shouldn’t be an issue at all. I fukking hate this country sometimes.

 

[The Prince of All Saiyans]

 

[boogers]

i will never understand how that demon was elected to office