Aisha Innocence Stolen

[feelosofer]

So prophets sent by God have morals based on the time period in which they are sent? Sounds like its all a bunch of bullshyt to me

I'm going off the basis that whether he was sent by god or not, he was of the time period, the 6th century in this case. In an idealistic view a Prophet's morals transcend all time periods, in Islam. This clearly is not the case, to anyone logical but I'm just going by how it is. Let's say Muhammed didn't marry a little girl would you respect him more, I doubt it. But if Islam is a 1400 year old religion with 'revalations' sent in that period, then yes, a Prophets moral's are based off the time period in which he existed, how can they not be? The issue is it's application by modern Muslims, not updating them to today's social standards then the standards in and of them selves. It's all relative.

 

[Techniec]

So prophets sent by God have morals based on the time period in which they are sent? Sounds like its all a bunch of bullshyt to me

thats where Islam

 

[The Real]

thats where Islam

Unless God is a moral relativist, which I can't imagine many religious people accepting as an idea because it would completely upset the rules and their relationship to the afterlife.

 

[blackzeus]

88m3 just got a bounty placed on his head All jokes aside, RELIGION is f*cked up. Not FAITH, religion. People twist religion to their sick ideologies, this is the problem, not Islam, not Christianity, not Judaism. The injection of customs and traditions into what is otherwise common human morality. Don't cheat, don't steal, don't kill, treat your brother like yourself, love your wife, love your husband, discipline your children, provide your family, etc.

 

[Torrential]

In the Arabian peninsula during the time of the Prophet the average life span was 40 for men. Y'all need to factor that into your little mathematics. We live in a time in age where the lifespan is almost double that if you're not living in a Native American reservation or being bombed to smithereens by US or NATO drones.

 

[Type Username Here]

In the Arabian peninsula during the time of the Prophet the average life span was 40 for men. You nikkas need to factor that into your little mathematics. We live in a time in age where the lifespan is almost double that if you're not living in a Native American reservation or being bombed to smithereens by US or NATO drones.

A grown man having sex with a little girl is not right in any period of time. Scientific evidence has shown that intercourse between a grown man and little girl has traumatic effect, not only emotionally, but physically.

Considering that he was the prophet of your religion (and "the perfect human"), and had direct access to communication with god (supposedly), you'd figure he would know better.

 

[Torrential]

A grown man having sex with a little girl is not right in any period of time. Scientific evidence has shown that intercourse between a grown man and little girl has traumatic effect, not only emotionally, but physically.

Considering that he was the prophet of your religion (and "the perfect human"), and had direct access to communication with god (supposedly), you'd figure he would know better.

I've read plenty of nonsense by the Junior Israeli Defense force attempting to defame the prophet. I don't know where you're getting Muslims consider the prophet to be perfect, he's considered a pure hearted human being and the greatest example for humanity. Which I whole heartedly agree with. Have you read the entire Quran? Have you even made an effort to read the hadith without some anti-muslim propagandists lacing it with hate and misinformation?

Of course some things in religion are relative to the time and society it is practiced in. The goofballs who think Islamic sharia should be practiced in non Muslim countries don't understand what the Prophet was saying. The early Muslims tried to live in peace in a society with polytheists but they were prosecuted and had to flee to other lands to follow their religion free from persecution.

Plus the prophet married women and encouraged the other muslims to marry more than one woman (God allows up to four but on the condition that each wife is loved equal) because of how short the life span of men was in the arabian peninsula. Not to mention how many women were financially dependent on men. Plus the Quarish killed many men leaving a lot of women widowed. The pagan Quarish were really backwards and only viewed women as objects. I think it should be noted the FIRST MUSLIM WOMAN was the Prophet Muhammad's boss. He worked for her. She owned an entire company.

You also realize Mary was near the same age when she gave birth to Christ right? Human life was entirely different than that it is today.

 

[feelosofer]

A grown man having sex with a little girl is not right in any period of time. Scientific evidence has shown that intercourse between a grown man and little girl has traumatic effect, not only emotionally, but physically.

Considering that he was the prophet of your religion (and "the perfect human"), and had direct access to communication with god (supposedly), you'd figure he would know better.

No one here is saying it was ok for a grown man to have sex with a little girl, but there was no scientific evidence for this 1400 years ago, are you trolling? It is wrong for any religion to deem acceptable this behavior, today. But in Muhammed's time, it was ok to have sex with little girls, in fact it was preferable to what they did to little girls prior to his birth, before the advent of Islam. God could not have told the the Prophet that it wasn't acceptable, then because it was.

Prior to Muhammed's birth it was ok to bury your baby daughter alive to spare you the shame of having a girl. Muhammeds 1st wife was a woman 15 years older than him who he stayed married to until she died. But I shouldn't even bother with this I'm just feeding the

 

[88m3]

Yesterday we were defending slavery today we're defending having sex with children?

Some of you guys really need to check your moral compus.

 

[Type Username Here]

I've read plenty of nonsense by the Junior Israeli Defense force attempting to defame the prophet.

First off, @ the bold. You must be new around here if you think in anyway I associate with Israel.

Secondly, how am I defaming your prophet? By telling the truth that he married and fukked a little 9 year old girl? Does that bother you?

If you read the beginning of this thread you c*nt, I said I fully understand the time and culture Mohammed was in.

I don't know where you're getting Muslims consider the prophet to be perfect, he's considered a pure hearted human being and the greatest example for humanity. Which I whole heartedly agree with. Have you read the entire Quran? Have you even made an effort to read the hadith without some anti-muslim propagandists lacing it with hate and misinformation?

Did he or did he not marry and have sex with a 9 year old girl? Yes or no? Simple question.

Did he or did he not, according to you, have access to information directly from God?

Of course some things in religion are relative to the time and society it is practiced in.

Which is the point I made in the beginning of the thread you a$$hole.

Plus the prophet married women and encouraged the other muslims to marry more than one woman (God allows up to four but on the condition that each wife is loved equal) because of how short the life span of men was in the arabian peninsula.

And your point is?

You also realize Mary was near the same age when she gave birth to Christ right? Human life was entirely different than that it is today.

So she also a victim of pedophilia. Your point?

I understand the times we are talking about, but you are talking about God/Prophet impregnating little girls.

 

[Type Username Here]

What I said in the beginning of the thread, one more time for the illiterate Muslims:

Abhorrent behavior, especially coming from a man who is supposed to be perfect BUT it was common in his culture and time for this to happen. Not giving him a pass, but we have to take it into context.

Especially considering that most pillars of Western Civilization were founded and established by the Greeks, who were well known for their acceptance of pedophilia and infant sacrifice.

What bothers me is that there are people on this earth, in modern times, that point to what Muhammad did as excuse to continue this primitive behavior.

But 88m3, what about your tribe? The Jews are still going around cutting foreskin off and sucking blood from baby dikk.

I'm not giving anyone a pass. It's abhorrent behavior, especially considering that he was the "Greatest human that has ever or will ever live". You'd figure that the Allah/Gabriel would teach him basic human biology and sexual anatomy regarding traumatizing a little girl.

That doesn't change the fact that this was normal and accepted in his time and culture. It's primitive but it's true nonetheless.

What I find disgusting is that grown ass men all over the globe still point to this fact and use it as an excuse to commit pedophilia.

 

[Techniec]

the Prophet was not a pedophile because at that time, it wasnt pedophillic to be marrying a woman at 9 or 12 or 13. the consensus was, if shes menstrauting and past puberty, she was a woman

again due to the life spans and other factors, that was the established protocol

thats not my issue. i always take context into consideration

the problem is, fukin retards who think that shiit applies today, ie some backwards fukks in parts of the islamic world

but this issue and the slavery issue speaks to the problem with islam. it isnt clear that there is a relativism. its pretty black and white and rigid and thats where islams incompatibility with modern western society is exposed

 

[Torrential]

Yesterday we were defending slavery today we're defending having sex with children?

Some of you guys really need to check your moral compus.

It's spelled compass first of all and this is a simple dealing with mathematics. If back then an entire society's males lives on average to the age of forty and a lot of them don't become financially able to support a family until they're 25-30 how else do you expect the group of people to sustain themselves?

These days it's entirely different. People are different, times have changed. Life is easier. Those cats lived on dates and water for months at a time living in the harsh desert. We have air conditioning and BET nikka.

Anyway you're entitled to believe whatever you want that's fine but don't twist our words.

 

[Torrential]

the Prophet was not a pedophile because at that time, it wasnt pedophillic to be marrying a woman at 9 or 12 or 13. the consensus was, if shes menstrauting and past puberty, she was a woman

again due to the life spans and other factors, that was the established protocol

thats not my issue. i always take context into consideration

the problem is, fukin retards who think that shiit applies today, ie some backwards fukks in parts of the islamic world

but this issue and the slavery issue speaks to the problem with islam. it isnt clear that there is a relativism. its pretty black and white and rigid and thats where islams incompatibility with modern western society is exposed

Bro, modern western society is incompatible with modern western society. We live in a time where 90% of all of the water is used on capital whilst 10 percent is used for muncipalities sprinkling systems for grass in the suburbs and other areas, swimming pools and we get factored in for our drinking and showers. We're burning through the earth's reserves for fossil fuel so fast and in the meanwhile we're not even looking for alternative forms of energy. Western civilization is not and will never be sustainable or a viable way of life. Talk to any respectable scientist and they'll tell you we're headed for disaster.

But I agree with you who think that people are foolish for thinking some things of 1400 still apply today.

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

George Washington was not a racist because at that time, it wasnt racist to be enslaving an African person. the consensus was, if they're African, they're fit for slavery

NO OFFENSE, BUT I THINK YOU SEE HOLLYWOOD'S POINT ABOUT THE SLIPPERY SLOPE OF YOUR CULTURAL RELATIVISM, BROTHER!