After watching BvS 3 times, I don't understand why people disliked this movie so much

[AquaCityBoy]

The only complaints I understand is the dumb Martha thing, the grim and joyless story (if that's not your cup of tea I get it), Lex portrayal (although I didn't mind it), and the plot was muddled (even though the Ultimate edition shows a much more linear cut).

*Doesn't understand why people didn't like the movie
*Lists all the biggest complaints people cited as why they didn't like the movie

 

[45123]

*Doesn't understand why people didn't like the movie
*Lists all the biggest complaints people cited as why they didn't like the movie

Can you really say those are movie breaking complaints though, to the point people can relentlessly shyt and hate on this movie like some have been? Like I said, those things make it a 50% movie at worst and I understand it if you thought it was just OK. What makes a movie really veer off into the shyt end is what they pulled with movies like X3, F4 movies, Green Lantern, etc.

 

[AquaCityBoy]

Can you really say those are movie breaking complaints though, to the point people can relentlessly shyt and hate on this movie like some have been?

Yes. The Martha scene is literally the most important scene in the movie, and it's dumb, forced, and awkward. The portrayal of Batman is horrible in this movie (he starts off as a broken, Dark Knight Returns-style Batman branding people with the Bat symbol, then after that scene is a wisecracking DCAU-type). And nobody cares if the Ultimate Edition fixes the editing problems. 90% of people who saw the theatrical cut will never see it.

Not to mention all the other dumb shyt in the movie (Justice League being introduced in a fukking e-mail in the middle of the climax, Flash looking like a dusthead, the final battle looking like shyt with over the top CGI and green screen).

 

[Return of the Jedi]

Hating a Batman movie for being grim and joyless is like hating a comedy for having a lack of fight scenes. My only major gripe is just Batman's willingness to kill, and I can STILL accept that this is just part of the director's vision.


The movie is 8/10 and I don't care what the critics say.

 

[Dwolf]

Hating a Batman movie for being grim and joyless is like hating a comedy for having a lack of fight scenes. My only major gripe is just Batman's willingness to kill, and I can STILL accept that this is just part of the director's vision.


The movie is 8/10 and I don't care what the critics say.

It wasn't a Batman movie.

 

[Dwolf]

That right there took me out the movie for the rest of the time i was in the theater. I couldn't get back into it after that. Batman.... with the full suit.... wearing a trench coat.

Thats like iron man putting a helmet....on top of his helmet

Thats like cyclops putting sunglasses over his star trek glasses

Thats like storm flying around with a barometer on her forehead

Thats like Charles Xavier trying to ride a bike while in his wheelchair

 

[David_TheMan]

Appreciate the detailed response, but to these points:



Let's be clear though, Jesse Eisenberg is a talented actor (albeit a bit one-note), the problem people had was that they felt it was a miscast/didn't like how he fit. Acting wise, if you put that character in some random movie other than BvS, it would have been fine



Agree on the Superman part, HOWEVER if you watch the Ultimate edition you'll see they left out a ton of Superman scenes (and I mean a ton) that greatly developed his character in the midst of his storyline.

I don't agree though that Batman had poor character development, if anything he was the shining star of the movie and they did a good job of depicting how he's been jaded and turned after 20 years in a still decrepit and corrupt Gotham



They blamed Superman for the massacre because they thought he caused all that collateral damage, what with the burned bodies and all, and they didn't "get mad" at him for not saving people in the court, they thought he had a hand in it



Why didn't it make sense? Lex created it as a contingency in case Superman came out on top, so he could kill "God"



I'm with you on these, but I feel like those parts were done for fan service, and if you're a fan of superheroes and the comic book movie genre, you excused the misplacement of those parts for how epic they were. That's just something that adds to the belief that this movie was "for fans and not critics"

We'll agree to disagree on Eisenberg. i think he is a poor one note actor and he was poorly casted and the job he did performed was poor and phoned in.

Didn't watch the ultimate edition and will not, if that is what they wanted they should have left it in or put out a different edit.

Batman had no development whatsoever, to even have batman branding people, killing people with his car, his car having machine guns, and etc shows me a poor grasp of the character period. That he started off crazed and plotting to rob from Luthor for his own benefit, isntead of using Wayne Enterprises to do what lex did is strange, to have that same man suddenly fight his demon, beat him, and then stop because of a shared mother's name and then be buddy buddy with Superman simply because of that makes no sense and is down right stupid.

They blamed superman for all the deaths, the collateral damage though was caused by the gun man, he had louis on the scene telling folks what happened, she had evidence presented to the government agents, yet it was all ignored so they could talk about superman. it literally makes no sense at all internally, especially when this is the man that saved the earth from the previous invasion. As for the explosion they blamed superman for not stopping it, they new very quickly that it was the man in the wheelchair who caused the explosion and that was shown on news clips remember.

Doomsday made no sense because how lex was able to override Kryptonian safeguards made no sense, how lex was able to make Zod comeback with his own blood made no sense, how it was ever reasoned that Doomsday would be controlled was non-existant, there was literally no internal logic into the making and use of Doomsday. He didn't even have the defining characteristic of being made of Kryptonite, it literally made no sense to have the name or the character in the movie, other than to have a fake "death of superman" in which there was no emotional payoff because in the movie universe Superman isn't even beloved globally or by the citizens of Metropolis. It was stupid and hamfisted.

I don't mind fan service when done in the context of the film and the story is preserved, like Adam Warlock in Guardians of the Galaxy or Thanos being in the background of the marvel universe, but you can't allow fan service to override basic story telling and disrupt the movie and that is what happened in this film.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

dc marks don't say i never gave you anything. get it before they take it down.

 

[kingdarius]

I loved it because it was jaw dropping visual ecstasy and straight out of a comic book. The homages to TDKR with Superman getting nuked and shriveling up from the radiation and the shot of Batman grappling away from Doomsday with lightning in the background, the Wonder Woman reveal and how she straight up whooped ass, as well as that shot of the 3 of them standing together And all the overbearing explosions and effects that belong in a comic book movie because it's a comic book movie, not just an action movie. We also get to see 3 heroes' working together flexing their greatest assets, Batman with his intellect, Superman with his compassion and sacrifice, WW with her unbridled power. Honestly was it any worse than any Avengers movies where they just fight an army of robots or aliens and then confront the big baddie?

as a comic book fan i thought it was trash....they didnt really work together at all just kinda went one on one with "doomsday" til the other found a opening. It was literally a noncohesive cgi-fest of a finale that was more michael bay than zack snyder imo....the way "doomsday" was gettin new powers and shyt throughout the fight like he was amazo or some shyt was lame. It should've just been him being an unstoppable rock monster machine but for some reason they threw in that zod shyt which just fukked it up. oh and yes the shot with the entire team working together in the first avengers shyts on every part of that fight at the end. Especially that "is she with you?" "i thought she was with u" shyt

 

[SumBlackguyz]

dc marks don't say i never gave you anything. get it before they take it down.

that was quick

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

This movie is the biggest "loveable loser" in the history of film.


"Leave BVS alone!!"

 

[Emoryal]

dc marks don't say i never gave you anything. get it before they take it down.

Damn. You ain't download the shyt or something.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

Damn. You ain't download the shyt or something.

Sorry my man.

The link is dead, bury it.

 

[Ukbrotha]

To whom much is given much is expected. You have 3 of the biggest superheroes in a movie, A decent movie isnt good enough. Obviously there' been a bit of an overreaction because its not a bad movie its just not very good. The ultimate edition was also a bloated mess in parts. Its a comic book movie so some of the plot silliness is acceptable but it really was just all over the place.It had some very good things about it like Affleck's Batman with some of the very best fight scenes in any Batman film ever. ( Nolan Batman had some laughable fight scences). Its really not that serious though. I dont get why people put so much stock in RT and the likes, unless its some stan beef then carry on.

 

[Black White Sox Hat]

I tried watching it but it was just too damn slow.