Birnin Zana
Honorary Wakandan
There will always be extremists on some sort, no matter the ideology. I wouldn't worry too much about that, at the moment.
AFROCENTRISM AS ELITISM: THE GIFT AND CURSE OF CONSCIOUSNESS IN THE SOCIAL MEDIA AGE
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There will always be extremists on some sort, no matter the ideology. I wouldn't worry too much about that, at the moment.
yardman
Mad movements!
I mean there are studies saying that the pigment mutation or lack there of occurred around 8,000 years ago. Along with the fact that white people display albinism in different forms through the follicles and eyes. Hell blue eyes are also called ocular albinism. The pigment is a deeper discussion that I'd rather not going into due to the lack of time I currently have.
Crayola Coyote
Superstar
Africans traveled the entire planet breh, the Olmec were clearly Nile Valley Africans.
The Chinese were originally black, their own scientists admit this. The oppressed aboriginal dark skinned/wooly haired Asiatics can prove this.
Greeks were a mulatto nation started by Minoan Crete civilization that came from Africans traveling across the Mediterranean.
I understand going against that hokus pokus alien shyt but don't deny our history across the globe.
So basically everyone was mixed then turn out to be the people we have today like Arabs and ore groups?
MajorVitaman
Superstar
What do you mean?
MajorVitaman
Superstar
so tell me how Asiatic natives who never developed stone masonry anywhere from Alaska all the way to north mexico... Yet all of a sudden in a spot that has a direct current from west Africa to central mexico you see African stone masonry, pyramids and calendars all over the place?Just a coincidence right?
And I agree with you on the hokus pokus shyt. I just don't understand why you want to give foreigners the credit of time travel. Yet the idea of a civilization who circumnavigated the planet don't know how to operate a boat
Just a coincidence right?
No all you're doing is using ABC logic. And its getting ridiculous. But I'm going to use you're own flawed logic against you. The coast of West Africa and Central Mexica have direct current right? How come we don't see any pyramids in West Africa? Why the heck would Nile Valley people in Northeast literally travel ACROSS the entire continent to the Atlantic ocean to sail to the New World. Why not West Africans who are CLOSER to the Atlantic ocean??? And why do we not see ruins of Ancinet Egyptian ports on the West African coast nor do we have Ancient Egyptian accounts of sailing across the Atlantic. They would have noted. Do you not see how ridclous your argument is?
Also you claiming MesoAmerican pyramids as African influenced is even more ridiculous as its been noted many times that the pyramids of MesoAmerica are of totally different structure and building technique compared to the ones in Egypt. Not only that, but their pyramids served different purposes. For example the Mayans/Aztecs served as ceremonial and was the reason why they had steps with a temple on top. Meanwhile the Egyptian ones only served as a place for the dead to be buried i.e tombs. Are you serious???? If MesoAmericans were influenced by the Egyptians then why the hell would their pyramids be of different built structure and serve different purposes???
As for calendars? Explain why the Egyptian calendar is 365 days long while the Mayan(most well known one) is only 260 days. Yeah where is the influence? The Phoenicans were people who were actually influenced by the Ancient Egyptians. We do not see an Ancient Egyptian like influence with MesoAmericans.
Stop trying to rob people of their culture and civilizations. You're no different than those Eurocentric who try to white wash Africa, especially Northeast Africans. Like I said there is a much better argument that Muslim West Africans may have reached the Americas. I.e the Mali Empire.
And I agree with you on the hokus pokus shyt. I just don't understand why you want to give foreigners the credit of time travel. Yet the idea of a civilization who circumnavigated the planet don't know how to operate a boat
You have no argument but projection. But go on...
MajorVitaman
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the fact that you call a calendar over thousands of years older than the Mayan civilization "Mayan" shows me where you're coming from.It's funny how you like to draw up imaginary boarders between the continent of Africa as if going from the left side of the same land mass is some extreme task coming from the right side of the same land mass. Also you use this same theory for the north side of the land mass & south side. Yet you DONT use this same theory for the Americas, why is that? Not only do you not use this theory, you think it was some mega uniform culture from Alaska down to Brazil.
So not only do you assume 1 uniform culture from north america to the south, but you also have this idea that Asiatic natives who have no history of using stone masonry. Yet all of a sudden they're building pyramids in mexico like master masons who've done it for thousands of years?
Do you have this same theory for America? Did Britain, France, Portugal & Spain also not influence the cultures in America after 1492AD?
Idk man, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one
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What heck are you even getting at now? I said the Ancient Egyptian calendar has 365 days while the Mayan only has 260. How would the Ancient Egyptians influence the Mayan calendar or anything MesoAmerican calendar if their days aren't even the same. And yes the Mayan calendar is the most well known calendar of MesoAmerican as far as I know.
No ones drawing up any imaginary borders. Its just common sense! Why the heck would the Ancient Egyptians all the way in Northeast Africa cross the entire continent to West Africa to sail to the New World??? What purpose would they have doing that? It would be more logical for the Egyptians to sail the Mediterranean or Indian Ocean. Since those two oceans were closer to Ancient Egyptians. Why am I even having to explain this?
I'm still waiting for you to post accounts from the Ancient Egyptians themselves and ancient ports used by the Ancient Egyptians in West Africa....
What are you talking about? No ones using this logic for the Americas.
And for your information the people of the Americas are more HOMOGENEOUS for the most part compared to Africans who are way more diverse. The indigenous people of the Americas all share a common ancestor going back to the land bridge and its more recent compared.
The Olmec civilization wasn't African. Get over it already.
Again stop putting words in my mouth. No one said there was a unified culture. And what do you mean Asiatics? Are you referring to people from the Americas or Asia? Because both have history with stone building. And you also fail to take in mind that Central America and Mexico was more developed than mainland modern day USA when it came to the natives American Natives had less resources than those from Central America and were mostly nomadic and didn't have large settlements to build large cities like those found in Central America. And why even use Alaska for an example??? Alaska wouldn't even be the right place for stone building. Also you forget the Incas who not only tok built in stone structure, but they were as far as I can remember isolated from most people in the Americas including the Olmecs.So not only do you assume 1 uniform culture from north america to the south, but you also have this idea that Asiatic natives who have no history of using stone masonry. Yet all of a sudden they're building pyramids in mexico like master masons who've done it for thousands of years?
Do you have this same theory for America? Did Britain, France, Portugal & Spain also not influence the cultures in America after 1492AD?
Idk man, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one
Either way referring back to this point I made...
Sure we can agree-disagree. But just saying the facts don't lie.
MajorVitaman
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I agree with this postA bunch of Youtube videos? Anyone can do that. The first video the guy is talking about the findings of South American "Negroid" findings. Those "Negroids" were NOT Africans, because the remain which is named "Naia" was said to carry Haplogroup D1 which is not even found in Africans, but instead found in Siberia(where the ancestors of Native Americans are from).
Naia's 12,000-Year-Old Skeleton Holds Map to Ancient American Genes
Basically Paleao-Americans would have resembled Africans early on as MOST Eurasians did also including Europeans. Does not mean they were genetically African.
As for the videos about Van Sertima, I read his work and again he NEVER says the Olmecs were African themselves.
Black People : - Ivan Van Sertima: "Reply to My Critics"
So again Van Sertima NEVER said Africans were the fore founders of the Olmec civilization, but only that they influenced one another. And even so there is very little strong evidence to suggest Nile Valley civilizations traveled to the Americas. There have been no physical remains, Ancient Egyptians who were known for writing down people they met and yet no mention of indigenous Americans, no pre-American items found in Egypt or vice versa,etc.
Now Muslim West Africans reaching the Americas? That's another story which actually has a good argument backed behind it. We actually HAVE historical records of an attempt for that!
As for the video titled, "Black people of Asia". "Black" indigenous people in Asia? So. They're still not African...
The one of African origins of Asians is just silly and all it is just picture spamming. The DNA of Asians Negritos and non-Negritos show them distant from Africans anyway.
The video about the Tamils and Dravidians is also even sillier and the video uploader is citing Clyde Winters who is a hack and not taken serious in acedemia. This is the same guy that tries to argue that their is a connection between Niger-Congo and Dravidian... Yet claim Berber is not African.
And don't even dare say he's not taken serious because he's black. Because while academia in the early days did not agree with Diop, they actually respected him and he is known as advancing opening to Africanist thinking in the field he is in, where as Winters is just a joke.
More importantly you can find Winters on Egyptsearch where no one takes him seriously.
Both Dravidians and Tamils carry clades that are distant from both Africans and Europeans...
Like I said Afrocentrism has a positive part but then sometimes it transmutate into radicalism where it tries to become like Eurocentrism.
Or smartdumbnikkadomism
nikkas think "woke" equals defiance of anything not black. Replace lies and made up history with their own lies and made up history
MajorVitaman
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Or smartdumbnikkadomism
nikkas think "woke" equals defiance of anything not black. Replace lies and made up history with their own lies and made up history
Is it a lie that modern day north east Brazil has the earliest human remains in the America's?