Boaventura de Sousa Santos: Marina Silva is Brazilian right instrument
Right tries to use 'tool' to return to power, says Bonaventure
Portuguese Brazilian sociologist says that autonomy bothers USA.'I was careful to watch the program of Marina and one of the things he says is, at bottom, back to Brazil alignment with the United States'
by Eduardo Maretti, the Brazil Current Network *
12/09/2014
Photo: Boaventura_EFE_Neco Varella
São Paulo - The PSB candidate for the presidency in 2014, Marina Silva, is a "tool" of the Brazilian right, who considered it very difficult to return to power directly through an ideological dispute between Dilma Rousseff and Aetius Neves. The opinion is the Portuguese sociologist Boaventura de Sousa Santos. "Right discovered very quickly that Aetius Neves is in no way an alternative, why would an ideological battle between left and right."
For him, the forces that "always" ruled Brazil "saw that it was easier to come to power without the ideological dispute, using a third person, which combines your ambiguity in some elements of the left, not what you say today, but at that was. "
Bonaventure is Professor, Faculty of Economics, University of Coimbra, where he also directs the Center for Social Studies, and the Faculty of Law, University of Wisconsin-Madison. He argues that neoliberal and the candidate who inherited the head plate of the PSB with the death of Eduardo Campos foreign policy proposals are clear in speeches and in the government program. "For us who come from Europe, just when comes that magical phrase of central bank independence ... It is the very hallmark of the neoliberal model" analyzes.
According to the sociologist, the foreign policy program of Marina is a return to the traditional alignment between Brazil and the United States, or "fundamentally", back to the time of Fernando Henrique Cardoso. The logic of autonomy of the Brazilian government toward the United States, started under President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, the BRICs and the creation of a development bank of the bloc that brings together Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa annoy Americans who try, with the Pacific Alliance, "neutralize the BRICs."
Bonaventure sees the political and electoral difficulties of PT governments as "fruits of their success." The teacher observes, for example, that youth found that, with the World Cup, there was a lot of money for some things and not others, which would have "dramatized" the error in the distribution of public money and disconnected that portion of society's political system . "Once and only increased 5000 jobs for teachers in the federal universities, which is absolutely outstanding, but this was not accompanied by an investment in infrastructure, in teacher salaries and equipment of universities," notes. "So I think the government is the victim of its success, not failure. Only it was so successful, that created so much anticipation, it's now a little hard not to frustrate the expectation.And the frustrated expectation is what brings people to the street. "Read the interview with RBA.
"President Lula has changed the conditions of hegemony in Brazil so that Brazil's right, that always ruled the country, can not return to power directly. Have to use a detour, and the deviation is necessary to pick someone who has a profile left after instrumentalize it. Marina is this instrument "
How do you see the political-electoral situation in Brazil?
Electoral processes often can be driven by events sometimes quite surprising, as happened with the tragic accident of Eduardo Campos. And right discovered very quickly that Aetius Neves is in no way an alternative, because it would cause an ideological battle between left and right. They saw that it was easier to come to power without the ideological dispute, using a third person, which combines, in its ambiguity, some elements of the left, not what you say today, but so it was in origin.
I think that electrocution Marina peaked. People are beginning to see the risks behind a new policy that, after all, is quite old; to the fragility of the Marina with the oscillations to those who control their campaign and support her. Begin to see that what has been done in this country was an extraordinary success - was not completed, has to overcome mistakes.There is still a hope that in the second term, President Dilma go do what you expect from a PT government. While Marina Silva, frankly, there is nothing to expect. It's just knowing how to read your program. Prospects are neoliberal policies. They (the financial system) and have had many profits, but not the windfall that allows them to Marina, and that's why they put it next to the Marina.
You wrote that with the election of Dilma, Brazil "would pick up the pace to become a global power." This path and what has been achieved in 12 years are threatened by an eventual election of Aetius or Marina Neves?
The election of Marina Silva is a threat on many other levels. I think what has changed substantially in Brazil, in the last 12 years, and this is a remarkable work of President Lula, is that it altered the conditions of hegemony in Brazil so that Brazil's right, that always ruled this country, can not return to power directly. Have to use a deviation and the deviation is necessary to seek someone who has a profile left after instrumentalize it. Marina Silva is at this point that instrument. It is, therefore, a deviation to the right is forced to seize power. And Marina Silva has said very clearly that this is what will happen.
For us who come from Europe, and we know very well, just when it comes that magical phrase of central bank independence. It is the very hallmark of the neoliberal model. I was careful to watch the program of Marina Silva and obviously one of the things says the foreign policy program is, at bottom, back to the traditional alignment between Brazil and the United States. Bilateral relations. Fundamentally, back to the time of Fernando Henrique Cardoso.
The fact that Brazil is deepening relations with the BRICs is bothering the United States to that point? Could be American interference in the electoral process in Brazil, for example?
I have no doubt. I am convinced that at this time, the United States, faced with its decline, seeking various ways trying to hold him as much as possible. On the one hand, through the free trade agreement that are trying to Europe and on the other, back to Latin America, not the old ways, which were dictatorships and military interventions. Today, there are other types of interventions. It is a technical support for the extreme events, the management of serious social protests, riots, disturbances in society, local development assistance. Countries are becoming infested with small NGOs financed by the United States that have this goal.
Well, the United States knows that Brazil is an autonomous force lately.There is a logic of autonomy from the United States that does not allow the liberalization they are wanting.
The United States is trying, with the Pacific Alliance, neutralize the BRICs.I just do not have, in any manner, the power to do, because just to see who is in Pacific Alliance (Chile, Colombia, Mexico and Peru) and who is in the BRICs. Therefore, the new bank development (BRIC) is an alternative to the World Bank. As the United States dominates the world primarily for the financial system, because they no longer have the industrial capacity to do so, all that is threat to the financial system of the dollar is, for them, something very serious.
Do you agree that the Brazilian government of Lula and Dilma very encouraged consumption, but little citizenship, and that need less refrigerator and car and more education and culture?
I have written this. The integration has been done here was by consumption and not by citizenship. Therefore, it would have meant other things. For example, the massification of services would have to be compensated by increasing the quality of services so they do not degrade.
The youth saw clearly seen as Camões would say that with the World Cup had a lot of money for some things and not others, such as universities, public transport etc. It dramatized the error in the distribution of public money, of course disconnected youth in the political system.
Government counter-argues saying that investments in infrastructure did not take money from education, for example, and invested in federal public universities that had never been invested in the country.
It's great and the revolution is not only a quantitative revolution that put younger universities. It's all a struggle for cultural diversity, racism and racial discrimination against blacks and Indians in Brazil, all the quota system ... And the great democratic revolution that has occurred in recent years. At once, increased 5000 jobs for teachers in the federal universities, which is absolutely outstanding, but this was not accompanied by an investment in infrastructure, in teacher salaries and equipment of universities. When you calculate that will get 50 million people in the public health system, will naturally want quality. So I think the government is the victim of its success, not failure. This government has not failed in any way. Only it was so successful that created so much anticipation that is now a little hard not to frustrate the expectation. And the frustrated expectation is what brings people to the street.
"It is possible that we will see another type of demonstrations here in Spain, Portugal, Italy, since this is a time of extrainstitucionais demonstrations that will give rise to a period of political turmoil in democracies"
The Brazilian Constitution guarantees the secular state. If Marina Silva was elected she would threaten secularism, being evangelical and religious?
It would be a total setback. Not a problem the secular state. The British state is religious, for example, but no one knows or cares, precisely because the policies are the full respect for religious diversity. What happens is that evangelicals, especially, are a component of a conservative political theology and, therefore, want to interfere in public life and the first thing they do is in lifestyles, is the sexual orientations, and then by the abortion around outside, in schools, in religious education etc.
See the sad spectacle of Marina: firstly admit gay rights, and 24 hours, being obliged to retreat. This shows that she is really an instrument of conservative forces. It is sustained by a person party, unlike Dilma. She is very fragile to those who support it are the religious blocks are blocks of socialist political party or that accompany it. Therefore, we would, of course, a setback in a country where religious presence had in the past, it was light and progressive, the Liberation Theology. What is here now is not a liberation theology of the poor, the struggle for social inclusion is, rather, one that will punish gays, women, abortion.