Africans sold Africans to Europeans, but to what extent?

[MaLi]

Lemme say off top that I don't like or support c00ning, self-hate, or meaningless bickering.
This thread isn't about the Africans that were stolen by Europeans. This is referring to the Africans that were sold or traded by our own.
European Americans favorite phrase when the topic of slavery comes up is "Africans sold other Africans into slavery" like it's some veto for the all the destruction their ancestors inflicted. But I seriously doubt Africans realized how inhumane those Euros would treat slaves in the Americas.
I'd like to address us selling our own, and hopefully learn something from the different perspectives of HL.


African American descendants of the slave trade:
Why do you think we were "picked" out of all the Africans?
Were we criminals and captives of war?
Were we Hebrews with no real connection to the native Africans?
Do you feel any animosity towards our brothers and sisters across the atlantic?


Africans that maintained their family names:
What do your parents and grandparents say about slavery?
Do they feel any guilt for their direct ancestors supposed role in the Euro slave trade?
If you went to school in (West) Africa, what did they teach with regards to human history, and specifically the Euro slave trade?
What did Africans gain by selling their own? It isn't like they needed anything else...
Do you feel African American slaves and their descendants are tainted? Do you look down on us?



Links and references are also welcome

 

[Brown Ant]

http://africa.unc.edu/outreach/ASA/slavery_and_trade.pdf

 

[observe]

Back in ancient times, most slaves werent treated that brutal..slavery has been around forever..I think that the Africans that sold them didn't know they would be treated like that..or also that alot of African chiefs and kings are evil as fukk who wouldn't hesitate to execute children and woman...we're not really a peaceful people like they we are..

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

Were there slaves in Africa before euro's introduced them to the concept?

 

[Brown Ant]

Were there slaves in Africa before euro's introduced them to the concept?

Wow, your pothead ass needs some oxygen. Africans had slaves WAY before anyone else in the world.

 

[MostReal]

Wow, your pothead ass needs some oxygen. Africans had slaves WAY before anyone else in the world.

I hope dude wasn't serious with that post


we discussed Cape Verde in here a while back as well. Alot of folks were trying to pick @Mowgli because his folks are from there

can't remember what thread we posted & talked about it in, if someone has it repost it or bump it

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

But I seriously doubt Africans realized how inhumane those Euros would treat slaves in the Americas.

I think that the Africans that sold them didn't know they would be treated like that...

 

[observe]

It's true..African tribes didnt really have prisoners..if you did something seriously wrong..they would kill you on the spot..lesser..blind you or cut off a limb..or even less..take ya cattle..that was their justice system..what they didnt do was make you suffer every single day and torture you everyday or imprison like western slavery..

 

[MaLi]

Were there slaves in Africa before euro's introduced them to the concept?

Yes. African nations would enslave prisoners of war.

However, Europeans treated Africans like subhumans based on their skin color, not their crimes. Slavery wasn't based on race until European leaders convinced the world we weren't human.

 

[MaLi]

Not saying you're wrong, but no need for sas. Why do you think African Leaders knew how badly we'd be treated on the other side? Or are you implying that they didn't care? Links or explanation as to why you believe otherwise?

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

Not saying you're wrong, but no need for sas. Why do you think African Leaders knew how badly we'd be treated on the other side? Or are you implying that they didn't care? Links or explanation as to why you believe otherwise?

lol what, you thought the Euros were fronting like "oh yeah we'll treat these slaves real nice, give em a good home" then suddenly did a 180 after the purchase? You deserve again for that one.

Lol at asking for evidence. Hows this...They were selling people for money . Often enemies at that. They didnt give a shyt.

 

[MaLi]

lol what, you thought the Euros were fronting like "oh yeah we'll treat these slaves real nice, give em a good home" then suddenly did a 180 after the purchase? You deserve again for that one.

Lol at asking for evidence. Hows this...They were selling people for money . Often enemies at that. They didnt give a shyt.

Not every slave had their human rights violated. Many slaves were still able to keep their language and last name. Some slaves could own land, pay off debt, and receive compensation. Slavery imposed on the Africans by Europeans in America is a lot different than African on African slavery.

In your opinion, why would they need money when they were sitting on a natural treasure chest? What did the Europeans offer that the Africans wanted and were willing sell their own for?

 

[DEAD7]

Slavery goes back as far as recorded history can be traced. Its existed on every continent and among all races.

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

Not every slave had their human rights violated.

By definition, they did. "Slaves" that received payment were not slaves. Indentured servants or the like.

As far as why they were sold, your guess is as good as mine, but most injustices can be traced back to greed. I will say its obvious that they didnt share your viewpoint as far as "selling their own." Again, these were mostly captured enemies from rival tribes. They didnt consider the slaves any more "their own" than the Euros. So you get rid of your rivals in exchange for various payments/goods, good deal.

 

[emoney]

who cares what the extent was?

Some of you stay trying to excuse black crimes and savagery. It's the reason why in that other thread people were praising Robert Mugabe. It's the reason why Mansa Musa is praised by some of the same idiots who claim to be angered about the Trans-Atlanic Slave Trade. How can you have a Mansa Musa pic as your avi and claim to be upset about Blacks being enslaved when during his time he was notorious for keeping Blacks as slaves..even using them as a form of payment upon reaching Arabia to perform his Hajj.

All them ancient and historic tribes and people you Afrocentrics love to revere...engaged in slavery, imperialism and genocide.