Africans accuse African Americans of "appropriating" their culture (legitimate criticism?)

[Lost1]

Don't you hear the horns, bass, guitars and synths guys

There are writings describing Nigerians using horns and flutes going back to the 1600s

There were lutes and guitar like instruments in west Africa as well

You're seriously claiming aerophones were not used in traditional west African music?

 

[Poitier]

See guys, hear all those rhythms, riffs and notes? AA didn't pioneer them, Africans did

 

[Poitier]

There are writings describing Nigerians using horns and flutes going back to the 1600s

You should be able to post some music then with wind instruments as elements

There were lutes and guitar like instruments in west Africa as well

By Tuareg people.......sure.

 

[Poitier]

What do you know.....a country with Tuareg ppl using guitars, keys and wind instruments but no drums

 

[Lost1]

Quote the article stating flutes existed in Ghana before 1900 and post videos of flute sections for songs.

The second article I posted made it clear that the odurugya flute existed before the 20th century but you can just look up odurugya and find a bunch of other articles and some scholarly research on it and other flutes from ghana

 

[Samori Toure]

The songs are by four different groups

The album cover is a compilation album cover made long after they had released their music and not by them and includes music of various styles. They don't all fit all of the genres mentioned on the cover

I genuinely don't think oja omoba (as one example) sounds much like delta blues but maybe because they're both using string instruments and singing there might be a few things that sound alike

There are different types of Blues in the USA. The Delta Blues is the version that people know the most about, but Louisiana and Texas had a different version. Listen to Freddie play a brand of Blues out of Texas:




Now listen to Gatemouth Brown play the same song using a Louisiana/Texas version of the Blues. It sounds more like Country music.


Now listen to Elmore James play a different song, but using playing Delta Blues with a slide guitar.



These are all different styles, but they are all playing different instruments as well as other instruments. There are so many other examples that it is ridiculous. They dude is playing a version of American Blues.

 

[Poitier]

The second article I posted made it clear that the odurugya flute existed before the 20th century but you can just look up odurugya and find a bunch of other articles and some scholarly research on it and other flutes from ghana

Can you quote the line? Why no videos of Ghanian horn sections?

 

[Samori Toure]

Not in West Africa, though. And North Africa didn't have horn sections.

They had horns in North Africa. The horn section definitely seems to be something out of Jazz in the USA.

 

[Elle Driver]

Insecure ass Africans, dumb broad even used the derogatory term "akata".

 

[Lost1]

So in your music classes in the west you guys are seriously being taught that only tauregs played aerophones and guitar-like instruments in west Africa

This is kind of amazing

Especially since literally five minutes of googling would settle the question

I really don't view this as much different from some white Americans views on Africa

 

[Poitier]

Especially since literally five minutes of googling would settle the question

If its so easy then post some examples

 

[Lost1]

There are different types of Blues in the USA. The Delta Blues is the version that people know the most about, but Louisiana and Texas had a different version. Listen to Freddie play a brand of Blues out of Texas:




Now listen to Gatemouth Brown play the same song using a Louisiana/Texas version of the Blues. It sounds more like Country music.


Now listen to Elmore James play a different song, but using playing Delta Blues with a slide guitar.



These are all different styles, but they are all playing different instruments as well as other instruments. There are so many other examples that it is ridiculous. They dude is playing a version of American Blues.

So oja omoba is American blues

Got it

Now could you explain exactly why

I listened to those songs and didn't see the similarity so maybe an explanation might make it clearer to me

 

[Yehuda]

I thought this one was legitimate.

All that other extra shyt is just some extra shyt.

But yeah they do appropriate a lot disporans' (especially African Americans) culture as well, so let's just call it a swap.

 

[Yehuda]

Why is that one legitimate?

Lot of fake ass pro-Black dudes out there. Dressed like Africans but think like Europeans. Negropeans, that's what they are.

 

[Lost1]

Can you quote the line? Why no videos of Ghanian horn sections?

The second article says they took that other flute from the Asantehene's court

Traditional horn music in Ghana is called mmenson or mmensoun

This is some flutist from Ghana




For a snippet of horn music in Ghana listen to track 107 on here

Smithsonian Folkways

If you want to read more about Ghanaian horns there's this book:



Some of it you can read through online on that amazon page or in google