African borders need to be redrawn, we can all agree on this but do have the stomach to stand aside?

[Poitier]

actually no it didnt. much like the Kurds, despite the borders, they they know they are still brothers within the same tribe so if the re-org happens they'd all fall within agreed lines, like Kurdistan...which isnt even a country





wait what? :mjlolz:

1. Yes but the institutions that existed prior to colonialism cease to exist and the industrial age was missed out on

2. More and more Blacks are relocating down South. Traditional red states are turning Blue and republicans are scared http://www.thecoli.com/threads/geor...n-85-000-minority-voters-and-counting.248669/

 

[Trajan]

WWII? I'd say it started with the end of the War of the Roses and 100 years war. All those Germanic kingdoms became France, Spain, Germany, Britain, etc.. WWII just saw US dethrone Britain for good as the leader of the pack.

Nah they were still having ''tribal'' fights after that. Up until WWI they were having the rivalry that African tribes have on a smaller scale.

They only really began trusting each other and breaking bread after WWII with the formation of the EEC.

You're right tho, Africans might have to balkanize. You have to let history take it's course. When smaller ''independent'' tribe-nations find that they are being gobbled up by multi-ethnic giants ....they'll scramble to come up with some sort of federation.

 

[CASHAPP]

WWII? I'd say it started with the end of the War of the Roses and 100 years war. All those Germanic kingdoms became France, Spain, Germany, Britain, etc.. WWII just saw US dethrone Britain for good as the leader of the pack.

African Kingdoms never had the chance to do this because of colonialism but it will have to happen.

With an expanding population, these leaders will have to be on their A game or you will see 1 billion angry, young folk ready to put heads on spikes in the coming decades.

Intra-African trade is huge here. Manufacturing is huge. Local institutions are huge. These things don't get better than there will be more civil wars and balkanization.



Part of me feels like balkanization happening then failing may be a means to an end, illustrating that consolidation needs to happen

Africa needs a Japan, a Britain, a Germany, a Russia.....one country that is powerful enough to straighten the continent out.

Prob up to Rwanda

 

[TTT]

It is somewhat ironic that the major attempt to balkanize Africans was undertaken by the Apartheid regime in South Africa. They created ethnic bantustans for Zulus, Xhosas,Tswanas, Vendas etc and the Africans refused the attempts at that sort of division. There was a semblance of nationalism in most liberation struggles even in the case of groups that had historical rivalry among themselves. Most of the bantustans fell in places that were not economically viable to begin with and had onerous restrictions placed on them. The solution for large countries , subject to resource availability, should be a Federal type of arrangement like the US. Marginalization of minority groups is enhanced in many ways by the centralization of power where politicians can give jobs to their favored groups even in the areas where they are not a majority.

 

[TTT]

Yeah, the EAC is much further along than any of the other regions as it stands. That common background of Swahili and having been British colonies I'd say has helped in that regard. To me tho, the EAC could be the beginning of a real effort to stabilize the whole East Africa and make it the viable economic force in the world that it can be. Capetown to Cairo is a great highway idea. If it were possible, I'd love to see a Kigali to Dakar highway built in memory of the hero of the Rwandan genocide Captain Mbaye, an East to West highway would be huge.

I have seen news floating around about other transcontinetal highways but there is some movement with regards to the Cape to Cairo route.

In a few days, the construction of the “Cairo- Capetown” highway will start. This transcontinental road network will connect Egypt – and some other African countries – to countries such as Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa.

The Egyptian government has almost finished constructing the road separating the town Tushka, and leading to the capital of Northern Sudan, Dunqulah. It is 110 km long.

“Cairo – Capetown Highway is made for transportation between the countries of Africa, as well as for bonding with the BRICS countries, making it possible for any investor to transport their goods to any of the countries surrounding the highway in just a matter of 4 days – instead of through the sea-way that takes months,” said Major General Gamal Hegazy.

He also added that the Egyptian/Sudanese roadways were completed after Egypt finished working on the one separating Tushka and leading to Dunqulah, Khartoum continuing on to Adees Ababa in Ethiopia, followed by Kenya, Zambia, Gaboun and finally ending in South Africa and the BRICS countries.

Studies show that the Cairo-Capetown highway will play a big role in developing Africa by establishing projects that will benefit the development of societies and Africa’s economic development as a whole. It will also help raise profit for any investments.

Hegazy stressed on the importance of moving fast towards encouraging the involved societies to start investing in order to complete the project and make it successful. He also mentioned that the success of this project would lead these African countries to cooperate with other countries from different continents.

He also emphasized the central role that Egypt will play in the coming period as it pertains to the passageway. The trade-movement between Egypt, Sudan and the rest of Africa is expected to double – it currently stands at around 5 Billion L.E.


The rest of the highways are supposedly going to look like this


Transcontinental Highway project

 

[Poitier]

The solution for large countries , subject to resource availability, should be a Federal type of arrangement like the US.

You need to have strong "governors" for that, though. And to get that, you need strong institutions to develop them. I read about ports, roads, oil pipelines being built but where are the inroads to world class universities, museums, public media, libraries, fiber optic lines, hospitals, non Western think tanks, functioning militaries, etc... Social infrastructure can't keep lacking the capitalist infrastructure (and even lack of production plants need addressing). If the population is indeed going to explode, time is of the essence with maybe 20 years to get this running smoothly.

 

[BossmanChad]

Europeans already did their damage, there's no turning back now, the ethnic groups must start seeing themselves as (instert name of country) and erase tribalism which Europe sucessfully did with some execptions (Spain, Scotland, Ireland, ex-Yugoslavia)

 

[Poitier]

IMF bailout, sad moment in Ghana's history - Nana Akufo-Addo

Presidential hopeful of the NPP, Nana Akufo-Addo says the NDC government's decision to go to the IMF for a financial bailout is a sad moment in Ghana's history.

“It is a sad day in the country’s history because by now, nearly 60 years after independence and with all that we have been through and the corrective measures put in place by the Kufuor regime, you would think that we would be more and more self-reliant,” Nana Addo said on A1 radio in Bolgatanga in the Upper East region.

This follows news that Ghana is likely to reach an agreement with the International Monetary Fund (IMF) over a possible bailout programme by November this year.

Government announced in August it would seek an IMF intervention to tackle fiscal problems including inflation, an unyielding budget deficit and a depreciating currency.

Ghana’s most recent experience with the IMF was under a programme called Highly Indebted Poor Countries initiative under the erstwhile NPP administration in 2001. HIPC sought to provide debt relief to cash-strapped countries based on the implementation of poverty alleviation strategies prescribed by the IMF and the World Bank.

Ghana has since exited the programme and has become a lower middle-income country.

But faced with a worrying deficit since 2012, the government wants the IMF to help.

Deputy Minister for Finance, Ato Cassiel Forson has justified the decision and has maintained that the step by government will provide the country the needed assistance to support the balance of payment, stabilize macro-economic deficit and leverage the whole economy towards industrialization.

“It’s unfortunate that we have got into this,” Nana Akufo-Addo said and pointed out that the fundamental problem was a government that was dishonest, negligent, wasteful and corrupt.

“I believe strongly that if we had a government that is prepared to do something about corruption, to make sure that contracts and obligations government entered into were value for money.”

He was on a tour in the Upper East region to thank delegates for voting massively for him during the NPP's super delegates' conference.

The Ghanaian experience with the IMF in the 1980’s is one characterized by conditionalities, massive lay-offs, sale of government assets and withdrawal of subsidies and funding for some government programs.

Exactly what I am talking about

 

[BigMan]

I dont think balkanization or these huge federations will work. I think some territories should be exchanged but on a case by case basis. Nigeria and Kenya should stay in tact. So should the North African states. Etc. Maybe kenya can merge with Tanzania. Ghana can take part of cote dvoire, mali can split, try Senegambia again. Rwanda+Burundi (same language history etc). Its not as easy as drawing lines

those in favor of balkanization do you support an Afrikaner homeland

 

[Poitier]

those in favor of balkanization do you support an Afrikaner homeland

They would be ethnically cleansed.

 

[BigMan]

They would be ethnically cleansed.

what about the asians and coloureds

 

[Poitier]

what about the asians and coloureds

As long as they don't get out of line

 

[Scientific Playa]

a must watch.... how European colonial masters craved up Africa. Doc is a lil over 30 yrs old.

AFRICA: A Voyage of Discovery in HD: The Magnificent African Cake - Episode 6/8 - Scramble for Africa









the whole series

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLabE-2ZiM-FOPR8CL4Qmtg

Editorial Reviews
Better known as Africa: Story of a Continent. This 4 vhs set is the original release from 1984. The New York Times dubbed this series "...a stunning piece of work...a winner...in part, because it's host, Basil Davidson is an enthusiast." Davidson, the British author of more than 30 books about Africa, says "Now that we know more about Africa's past, we see that it tells a story both long and remarkable." The story is unfolded on location all over this fascinating continent, showing life as it is today, plus archive footage and dramatized reconstructions. Program 1 Different But Equal, Program 2 Mastering The Continent, Program 3 Caravans of Gold, Program 4 Kings and Cities, Program 5 The Bible and The Gun, Program 6 The Magnificent African Cake, Program 7 The Rise of Nationalism and Program 8 The Legacy.

 

[blackzeus]

oh... this doesn't apply to israel, the center of the middle east problem... gotcha

Nikka wants to redo the borders but wants to leave Israel intact

 

[Kritic]

Nikka wants to redo the borders but wants to leave Israel intact

niccas got jokes. and they're serious.