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NORTHERN ALLIANCE BIKE 
Afghanistan is a mountainous, rural and tribal society that is ruled by warlords. That's how it has always been and will remain for the foreseeable future 
Fam, this anti-China pivot is genius.
- Get the former Taliban founder of out jail in 2018.
- Trump/Pompeo Meet with him in 2020.
- USA recognizes anti-Chinese islamist groups
- Biden pulls out
- China cries foul
Bruh they got a whole twitter account
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
Shut up
Tony D'Amato
It's all about the inches
Lemme guess, u one of those flip floppin why are engaged in wars, but why are we leaving azz n1ggaz? Shut the fukk up
Stop believing everything China says.
Pay attention to what they DO.
China was happier when the USA was on the ground.
Pay attention to what they DO.
China was happier when the USA was on the ground.
- Taliban won’t readily cut ties with anti-China ETIM
- Taliban tells China what it wants to hear on ETIM
- Boosted by China ties, Taliban now faces tough call on ETIM crackdown
- The East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM)
- ETIM is a big threat as it keeps sending members to China to plot terrorist attacks: Ministry of Public Security - Global Times
- Uighur Diaspora Hails Removal of ETIM From US Terror List (NOW WHY WOULD THE USA REMOVE a ISLAMIC TERROR GROUP FROM A WATCH LIST IN 2020?
...??? 
)
Watch. You're about to hear "we should support the Northern Alliance" like it was 1997 again
Northern Alliance - Wikipedia
Northern Alliance - Wikipedia
Stop letting this anti-american shyt get to you.
Other countries have interests AND preferences.
Terror attacks against chinese interests have increased in the last decade and China NEVER had skin in the game outside of soft power business deals. They didn't have boots on the ground driving their actual interests.
They NOW have to realize that shyt with actual force and PREFERRED Americans on the front line. They do the same thing in Africa. USA secures the hard frontline but China comes in with bags of money.
shyt's different when they gotta use their own guns now.
China's calculus just got upended in Afghanistan. They didn't think we'd pull out this way. They're PISSED.
Again, stop paying attention to what China says. Pay attention to WHAT THEY DO!
This article is 2 weeks ago:
China Criticized the Afghan War. Now It Worries About the Withdrawal.
Other countries have interests AND preferences.
Terror attacks against chinese interests have increased in the last decade and China NEVER had skin in the game outside of soft power business deals. They didn't have boots on the ground driving their actual interests.
They NOW have to realize that shyt with actual force and PREFERRED Americans on the front line. They do the same thing in Africa. USA secures the hard frontline but China comes in with bags of money.
shyt's different when they gotta use their own guns now.
China's calculus just got upended in Afghanistan. They didn't think we'd pull out this way. They're PISSED.
Again, stop paying attention to what China says. Pay attention to WHAT THEY DO!
This article is 2 weeks ago:
China Criticized the Afghan War. Now It Worries About the Withdrawal.
China Criticized the Afghan War. Now It Worries About the Withdrawal.
Steven Lee Myers
9-11 minutes
An explosion that killed Chinese workers in Pakistan has stirred fears in Beijing of regional instability.
Credit...Jim Huylebroek for The New York Times
Published July 15, 2021Updated July 28, 2021
The Chinese government rarely passes up a chance to accuse the United States of military adventurism and hegemony. In the case of Afghanistan, though, it has changed its tone, warning that Washington now bears the responsibility for the hasty end to its two-decade war there.
“The United States, which created the Afghan issue in the first place, should act responsibly to ensure a smooth transition in Afghanistan,” China’s foreign minister, Wang Yi, said this month at a forum in Beijing. “It should not simply shift the burden onto others and withdraw from the country with the mess left behind unattended.”
While China has not called on President Biden to reverse the military withdrawal he ordered, statements by senior officials made it clear that they would blame the United States for any insecurity that spreads in the region.
China’s leader, Xi Jinping, and President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia — neither of them close friends of the American president — raised concerns about the withdrawal in a call the two leaders had in late June, citing “the increasingly complicated and severe security situation,” according to the state news agency Xinhua.
An explosion and vehicle crash that killed nine Chinese workers in Pakistan on Wednesday has punctuated China’s fears of regional instability in the wake of the final American military withdrawal from Afghanistan and the chaos that is now spreading across the country.
China was quick to describe the explosion as an act of terrorism. Pakistan later described it as an accident, but the details remain murky, and China has previously found itself the target of threats from those opposed to its growing economic and diplomatic influence in the region.
Pakistan’s information minister, Fawad Chaudhry, said on Thursday that investigators had found traces of explosives, presumably on the bus carrying the Chinese workers. “Terrorism cannot be ruled out,” he wrote on Twitter.
Credit...Nicolas Asfouri/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images
“They’re certainly feeling nervous,” said Barnett R. Rubin, a former State Department official and United Nations adviser on Afghanistan who is a senior fellow at New York University’s Center on International Cooperation.
With only a residual military contingent left to protect the American Embassy in Kabul, the Taliban have been steadily expanding their political control as Afghan government forces crumble or retreat. This month, Taliban forces seized Badakhshan, the province that reaches the mountainous Chinese border through the Wakhan Corridor.
While that narrow territory poses little direct security threat, China fears that the breakdown of order in Afghanistan could spill out of the country to other neighbors, including Tajikistan, Kazakhstan and Pakistan.
Mr. Wang is traveling through Central Asia this week with the Afghan situation high on the agenda.
“We don’t want to see a turbulent country around us that becomes such a soil for terrorist activities,” said Li Wei, an analyst at the China Institutes of Contemporary International Relations, a research organization in Beijing affiliated with the Ministry of State Security.
The Taliban, when they governed Afghanistan before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, gave haven to some Uyghur fighters resisting Chinese rule in Xinjiang, the predominantly Muslim province in western China that the fighters call East Turkestan.
A bus carrying dozens of construction workers fell into a ravine after a gas leak in the vehicle caused an explosion. The crash killed at least 12 people including nine Chinese, Pakistani officials said.CreditCredit...Rescue 1122, via EPA, via Shutterstock
Twenty-two of those fighters ended up in American custody in the prison at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, only to be released slowly to several other countries, including Albania, Slovakia, Bermuda and Palau. Uyghur militants have also fought in Syria’s civil war, and there are reports that some have returned to Afghanistan.
“If there’s more disorder in Afghanistan, the Uyghurs could get a foothold again, or a bigger one,” Mr. Rubin said.
After the Sept. 11 attacks, the United States designated the East Turkestan Islamic Movement as a terrorist organization, in part to cultivate China’s support for American efforts in the “war on terror.” The Trump administration revoked the designation last year, saying that there was no evidence that the group continued to carry out attacks. China has cited the threat of Uyghur extremism as a reason for its mass detention camps in Xinjiang.
According to the United Nations, the Uyghur group once maintained links to Al Qaeda and organized attacks on targets inside and outside of China, including ones in Xinjiang that killed 140 people in 1998.
Liu Yunfeng, the director of the Counter-Terrorism Bureau of the Ministry of Public Security, said this week at a news conference that while there had been no major terrorist attack in China in the past four years, the East Turkestan Islamic Movement continued to promote terrorism from abroad and train fighters “to sneak into our territory.”
“We still need to maintain a high degree of vigilance,” he said, according to a transcript posted by the ministry.
Credit...Gilles Sabrié for The New York Times
With the American withdrawal on the horizon, China has sought to keep channels open to both the Taliban and Afghan forces, appealing for a peaceful resolution to decades of conflict that predated the American intervention. It has been a delicate diplomatic balance.
China has praised the current Afghan government, including what it says are efforts to fight the East Turkestan militants. It also played host to a delegation of Taliban leaders in 2019. While China has said little about the nature of its discussions with the group, it has muted its criticism as the American-led military presence winds down.
In recent statements, Taliban representatives have also sought to assuage China’s concerns about its past support for enemies of Chinese rule, saying a restored Taliban government would pose no threat to the country. In fact, it would welcome Chinese investments.
As the Taliban have steadily gained ground, China has left its diplomatic options open. The Global Times, a Communist Party newspaper that generally reflects the government’s hawkish side, suggested this week that fears about the collapse of the current Afghan government were overstated.
“With the evolving Afghanistan situation, the Taliban is quietly transforming itself to improve its international image, easing the concerns of and befriending neighboring countries,” the newspaper wrote on Tuesday.
Such views also reflect China’s close relationship with Pakistan, which provided support for the Taliban leadership during the long American involvement in Afghanistan.
Credit...Erin Schaff/The New York Times
After Chinese officials initially denounced Wednesday’s deaths in Pakistan as a terrorist attack, they tempered their remarks when the Pakistani Foreign Ministry released a statement saying that the explosion that sent a truck tumbling into a ravine was caused by a mechanical malfunction.
Exactly what happened remains unclear, however. At least two Pakistani paramilitary soldiers and two other civilians died, while more than 40 people were injured. It was not clear if the soldiers were guarding the workers as they traveled to a Chinese-built hydroelectric project at Dasu, a city in the country’s rural northwest, about 100 miles from the capital, Islamabad.
China has faced terrorist threats in Pakistan before. In 2018, three suicide attackers stormed the Chinese Consulate in Karachi, killing two police officers and two civilians before being killed themselves. The group that claimed responsibility for that attack, the Baluchistan Liberation Army, attacked a luxury hotel in Gwadar a year later, saying they were targeting Chinese guests.
In April, a different group attacked a hotel in Quetta, the provincial capital of Baluchistan, only moments before China’s ambassador was scheduled to arrive. Although it was not clear if the attackers knew of the ambassador’s arrival, the group that claimed responsibility, the Pakistani Taliban, or Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan, said its intended targets were “locals and foreigners” staying at the hotel.
After speaking with Pakistan’s foreign minister about the explosion on Wednesday, Mr. Wang, the foreign minister, called for greater security measures for Chinese construction projects in Pakistan, many of them being built under China’s “belt and road” initiative.
Chinese officials have offered to extend those projects to Afghanistan, but have made little progress. Previous Chinese projects there failed to live up to expectations, most prominently a copper mine concession that Chinese companies acquired in 2007.
“If it is a terrorist attack,” Mr. Wang said of the episode on Wednesday, “the perpetrators must be arrested immediately, and the perpetrators must be severely punished.”
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
Nah, I am not that. You did just flip flop saying we need to forget about Afghanistan, while now saying we should back another insurrection.
You are a damn weirdo
Kingcobrakai
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So it’s not the Taliban preventing an orderly evacuation? It’s the Afghani allies because they are desperate to leave and don’t care to realize that the priority should be for American citizens, their families and their belongings to return home? That we sent more troops (and continue to send more troops) to help protect them and facilitate the evacuation? That they’ve known about this just as long as we have?
They aren’t being abandoned, but instead have turned this evacuation into the same situation as with their country’s defense. I didn’t see them hanging on Ghani’s plane, demanding he stay/resign/create a defense plan when the deal to withdraw was announced. I don’t see them attempting to help defend the airport or prevent chaos.
I didn’t see very many Americans complaining about Trump not including the Afghanistan government or military in any negotiations with the Taliban. It was only about the optics of inviting them to Camp David. I saw people being happy about finally withdrawing. I didn’t see very many people complaining that the Afghan government would fall in less than a week because their security forces are crumbled. I didn’t see very many people saying “Hey, we need to make sure the Afghanis are protected”. We just kind of waltzed through watching from the outside up until the point that city after city fell.
It’s almost as if the Afghan plan was to hope we’d back out of the agreement or facilitate their escape without them doing any part to help and the American plan was to only look at the optics of any situation instead of at the cold, stark truth of the situation.
And ultimately, that’s been the entire problem. Americans need to stop looking at cable news and social media to develop their worldview. Because what these images show me is that no amount of policy would have helped. You can blame us for the last 20 years of decisions and occupation, but the withdrawal is a failure of the Afghani Government.
They aren’t being abandoned, but instead have turned this evacuation into the same situation as with their country’s defense. I didn’t see them hanging on Ghani’s plane, demanding he stay/resign/create a defense plan when the deal to withdraw was announced. I don’t see them attempting to help defend the airport or prevent chaos.
I didn’t see very many Americans complaining about Trump not including the Afghanistan government or military in any negotiations with the Taliban. It was only about the optics of inviting them to Camp David. I saw people being happy about finally withdrawing. I didn’t see very many people complaining that the Afghan government would fall in less than a week because their security forces are crumbled. I didn’t see very many people saying “Hey, we need to make sure the Afghanis are protected”. We just kind of waltzed through watching from the outside up until the point that city after city fell.
It’s almost as if the Afghan plan was to hope we’d back out of the agreement or facilitate their escape without them doing any part to help and the American plan was to only look at the optics of any situation instead of at the cold, stark truth of the situation.
And ultimately, that’s been the entire problem. Americans need to stop looking at cable news and social media to develop their worldview. Because what these images show me is that no amount of policy would have helped. You can blame us for the last 20 years of decisions and occupation, but the withdrawal is a failure of the Afghani Government.
Yall don't see this shyt happening in real time? 
China got PLAYED
China got PLAYED
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Incredibly sad after watching that video
Tony D'Amato
It's all about the inches
I meant the public should ignore it. Thats not a flip flop. The us government can't ignore it. But they shouldn't occupy it either.
