AEW should go the full edgy progressive liberal route

[richaveli83]

Just put out an entertaining product. Good wrestling and good storylines.

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

You can't be full progressive liberal and edgy at the same time, breh. Incompatible lines of thought.

I think this is clearly false, but elaborate please.

 

[stro]

I think this is clearly false, but elaborate please.

Progressive liberal as a branding tactic would be a fukking nightmare for a wrestling promotion. Where do you see anything edgy concerning progressive liberals online beyond nerds on twitter talking shyt they'd obviously never back up? Progressive liberalism in a branding sense is eliminating all edges and making everything as safe as possible for everyone. Which is not the same as being all inclusive, which AEW is already touting themselves as.

 

[El Cocodrilo]

I don’t think this is the route they should go but im worried this is the route they might go. And I only say that cause they got both sonny kiss and nyla rose on the roster from day one.

As long as they dont force them to the title picture just to seem progressive everything should be ok.

 

[stro]

I don’t think this is the route they should go but im worried this is the route they might go. And I only say that cause they got both sonny kiss and nyla rose on the roster from day one.

As long as they dont force them to the title picture just to seem progressive everything should be ok.

This is inclusive. Progressive liberalism would mean neither could ever be booked like a heel and anyone they were feuding with would be racist and homo/transphobic and so would the promotion.

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

Progressive liberal as a branding tactic would be a fukking nightmare for a wrestling promotion. Where do you see anything edgy concerning progressive liberals online beyond nerds on twitter talking shyt they'd obviously never back up? Progressive liberalism in a branding sense is eliminating all edges and making everything as safe as possible for everyone. Which is not the same as being all inclusive, which AEW is already touting themselves as.

I mean, it just sounds like you dont have a great grip on what these terms actually mean. Also sounds like you might have a problem with progressives in your personal politics which is clouding your thinking.

Progressive is not about eliminating edges and making everything safe. Its about eliminating old conservative traditions of ignorance and control. Its about freedom.

To say something cant represent both progressives and "edginess" is nonsense.

I mean Antifa exists, right?
CM Punk exists, right?

Hell, the classic PUNK ideal itself is maybe the strongest representation of iconoclastic progressivism, rejecting traditional conservative establishments for something unique, edgy and more inclusive.

What you're referring to sounds more like corporate b*stardization/fake PR moves with no substance behind it i.e. what wwe tries to do now.

That's not real liberal progressivism.

 

[El Cocodrilo]

This is inclusive. Progressive liberalism would mean neither could ever be booked like a heel and anyone they were feuding with would be racist and homo/transphobic and so would the promotion.

having them on the roster is inclusive, yeah

pushing sonny kiss or nyla rose to the title picture when there are several better heels and babyfaces for the job just to say they got the first non-binary poc or transgender champion is wack to me

im not saying there’s any evidence of them doing that, but that is part of being liberal progressive as much as what you are saying

 

[stro]

I mean, it just sounds like you dont have a great grip on what these terms actually mean. Also sounds like you might have a problem with progressives in your personal politics which is clouding your thinking.

Progressive is not about eliminating edges and making everything safe. Its about eliminating old conservative traditions of ignorance and control. Its about freedom.

To say something cant represent both progressives and "edginess" is nonsense.

I mean Antifa exists, right?
CM Punk exists, right?

Hell, the classic PUNK ideal itself is maybe the strongest representation of iconoclastic progressivism, rejecting traditional conservative establishments for something unique, edgy and more inclusive.

What you're referring to sounds more like corporate b*stardization/fake PR moves with no substance behind it i.e. what wwe tries to do now.

That's not real liberal progressivism.

I would classify myself as a social liberal, even progressive. Liberal progressiveness in a BRANDING sense means goofy internet SJW shyt 90% of the time, which sounds terrible for a wrestling promotion because it immediately limits anything you can do and changes the lens through which everything is seen and presented.

Imo, they're already leaning towards that fake PR shyt by drawing so much attention to how inclusive they are instead of just presenting the talent as is like equals, much like WWE constantly patting themselves on the back for taking 50 years to present women as anything other than t*ts.

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

I would classify myself as a social liberal, even progressive. Liberal progressiveness in a BRANDING sense means goofy internet SJW shyt 90% of the time, which sounds terrible for a wrestling promotion because it immediately limits anything you can do and changes the lens through which everything is seen and presented.

Imo, they're already leaning towards that fake PR shyt by drawing so much attention to how inclusive they are instead of just presenting the talent as is like equals, much like WWE constantly patting themselves on the back for taking 50 years to present women as anything other than t*ts.

Where have they done that?

Cody specifically said they would do just what you said they should in response to Mark's question about inclusiveness.

 

[stro]

Where have they done that?

Cody specifically said they would do just what you said they should in response to Mark's question about inclusiveness.

They did it before DON, press releases and interviews about how how inclusive they are, how they had the first transgender woman, Kenny's frankly ridiculous talk about how he was worried the BTE crowd might not accept the joshi women like he thinks his audience is racist and sexist and was relieved to find that they weren't, etc. They're already presenting themselves as special and unique for...treating talented people like talented people. Which says a lot about the wrestling industry, I suppose.

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

They did it before DON, press releases and interviews about how how inclusive they are, how they had the first transgender woman, Kenny's frankly ridiculous talk about how he was worried the BTE crowd might not accept the joshi women like he thinks his audience is racist and sexist and was relieved to find that they weren't, etc. They're already presenting themselves as special and unique for...treating talented people like talented people. Which says a lot about the wrestling industry, I suppose.

I mean, thats just speaking realistically. Thats why i cant take the SJW term seriously. Are there people that go overboard with the fake "wokeness" on everything online. Yes, sure. But more often its just a pejorative used by people that genuinely have a problem with inclusiveness and any form of real progressivism so they try to treat progressive people like theyre all cringey green-haired weirdos to discourage it. Cant fukk with it.

 

[Reality Check]

Just put out an entertaining product. Good wrestling and good storylines.

This. The bar is already low because of how terrible the WWE product is, just need to keep the momentum going from DoN

 

[Rell84shots]

Conservative wrestling promotion = White stars on top.

Liberal wrestling promotion = White, gay, tranny stars on top.

 

[Max.]

How many kids and women are gona watch aew?

 

[Amor fati]

You can't be full progressive liberal and edgy at the same time, breh. Incompatible lines of thought.

Totally agree.