A Wiseman Told Me Never Argue With Fools: Official 2021 Warriors Season Thread

[BigMoneyGrip]

Warriors signed Gary Payton II to a 10-day

If he’s better than whataburger cool.. But my question why sign him to a 10 day yet Lin still in the G league

 

[Don Homer]

If he’s better than whataburger cool.. But my question why sign him to a 10 day yet Lin still in the G league

warriors front office just doing anything. i guess they value defense over everything else. idk

 

[Robbo]

The Lakers and Nets and the Bucks and Denver and shyt even The Clippers and team after team after team every year pressed up against the cap can consistently find depth yet you think it's untenable... Thats just contrary to what happens in the league...the problem is nikkas be too picky wanting the perfect player with limited money instead of finding good roles for what those depth guys can actually do ... Jordan Clarkson wasn't looked at as some great asset before these last few years in Utah but they utilize him to his strengths and now he's a six man of the year ... when Livingston came to yall from the nets he was supposed to be washed and you see how that turned out ...

it doesn't take major resources to find guys like that family ... the difficult part is finding an MVP level player to build around ... yall nikkas got more than enough assets with draft picks / wiseman/ exceptions to put a more competent build around Curry/Klay/Dray/Wiggins that can challenge in the west ...the miscalculation was thinking your team was talented enough to both contend AND ALSO develop a raw young big man at the same time ...thats were it seems the front office mis-calibrated if the goal was to field an actual competitive team ..should have broke that second overall pick down into more than one player ... good thing is you can still do that this summer unless nikkas really got that kind of faith in Wiseman

Lakers have 2 guys above 20 mil. The Nets aren't an incredibly deep team anymore. The Bucks have 3 players at 30, but they Still have a number of quality young guys at lower salaries. Which us why the Warriors need to draft well, and this Next draft is huge.

They can make trades to make trades and get someone like Oladipo, but does that push them over the top? I think thats a decision that can only be made once you see how Klay is when he returns.

 

[Don Homer]

MORE Justinian

 

[Left.A1]

Lakers have 2 guys above 20 mil. The Nets aren't an incredibly deep team anymore. The Bucks have 3 players at 30, but they Still have a number of quality young guys at lower salaries. Which us why the Warriors need to draft well, and this Next draft is huge.

Yeah I mean I don't know what you consider to be good depth but most teams in high leverage situations during playoff games dont go more than 8 deep ...9 deep at the absolute most .. those teams go 8 deep easy

They can make trades to make trades and get someone like Oladipo, but does that push them over the top? I think thats a decision that can only be made once you see how Klay is when he returns.

If they consolidate their assets the main ver real targets for me would be Malcolm Brogdon / Jerami Grant ... I think either of those guys especially Brogdon re-aligns what the Warriors are capable of ceiling wise for sure

 

[Robbo]

Yeah I mean I don't know what you consider to be good depth but most teams in high leverage situations during playoff games dont go more than 8 deep ...9 deep at the absolute most .. those teams go 8 deep easy



If they consolidate their assets the main ver real targets for me would be Malcolm Brogdon / Jerami Grant ... I think either of those guys especially Brogdon re-aligns what the Warriors are capable of ceiling wise for sure

The problem is , they consolidate assets to get Brogdon or Grant.. AND they can't get anything on top of that. So now we have Steph, Dray, Klay and Brogdon? In reality, if they make a trade , it needs to be a top level player, so that even though they have 4 players above 20 mil, they have the talent to win.

The only other option is to draft talent and work to make it align in the next 2 years. Wiggins is up after 2.. if they keep him. Yes Steph will be 35, but there isn't a move to be made that will make then a top 2 team in the next year, unless some other team does something crazy.

 

[Left.A1]

The problem is , they consolidate assets to get Brogdon or Grant.. AND they can't get anything on top of that. So now we have Steph, Dray, Klay and Brogdon? In reality, if they make a trade , it needs to be a top level player, so that even though they have 4 players above 20 mil, they have the talent to win.

This is the top 8 rotation for the Utah Jazz on a per minutes basis (They only play 8 guys above 15mpg btw)

Donovan Mitchell
Royce O'Neal
Gobert
Bojan Bogdanovic
Mike Conley
Joe Ingles
Jordan Clarkson
Derrick Favors/Georges Niang

Keep in mind with their draft assets I don't think they'd have to give up Wiggins in a Brogdon/Grant trade so their top 5 players would prospectively be

Steph
Klay
Dray
Grant/Brogdon
Wiggins

I find it very hard to believe that it will be all that difficult to round out that top 5 collection of players with 3 or 4 more vets to compete with that Jazz roster... I just don't think that would be difficult at all if they were able to trade for a Grant/Brogdon and yes on paper thats a Western Conference contender

The only other option is to draft talent and work to make it align in the next 2 years. Wiggins is up after 2.. if they keep him. Yes Steph will be 35, but there isn't a move to be made that will make then a top 2 team in the next year, unless some other team does something crazy.

I don't find it all that realistic to draft any 19 year old and think that they'll be making large contributions to playoff winning basketball within their first two years unless you're talking about and Anthony Davis/Zion Williamson/Luka level prospect ...also this must be said but all of my hypotheticals depend heavily on Klay coming back and being largely the player he was pre-injury which may be a stretch

 

[Robbo]

This is the top 8 rotation for the Utah Jazz on a per minutes basis (They only play 8 guys above 15mpg btw)

Donovan Mitchell
Royce O'Neal
Gobert
Bojan Bogdanovic
Mike Conley
Joe Ingles
Jordan Clarkson
Derrick Favors/Georges Niang

Keep in mind with their draft assets I don't think they'd have to give up Wiggins in a Brogdon/Grant trade so their top 5 players would prospectively be

Steph
Klay
Dray
Grant/Brogdon
Wiggins

I find it very hard to believe that it will be all that difficult to round out that top 5 collection of players with 3 or 4 more vets to compete with that Jazz roster... I just don't think that would be difficult at all if they were able to trade for a Grant/Brogdon and yes on paper thats a Western Conference contender




I don't find it all that realistic to draft any 19 year old and think that they'll be making large contributions to playoff winning basketball within their first two years unless you're talking about and Anthony Davis/Zion Williamson/Luka level prospect ...also this must be said but all of my hypotheticals depend heavily on Klay coming back and being largely the player he was pre-injury which may be a stretch

Exactly, depends on klay being the same klay. And if it is, this team can be competitive while still building for the future.

 

[Left.A1]

Exactly, depends on klay being the same klay. And if it is, this team can be competitive while still building for the future.

When you say this team do you mean with Wiseman?

 

[Robbo]

When you say this team do you mean with Wiseman?

Yes

 

[Left.A1]

Yes

Ahh ok yea thats where we definitely disagree ...doubling down on the mistake of drafting (then keeping) him instead of flipping him as an asset IMO greatly reduces the ceiling on this current build

 

[Robbo]

Ahh ok yea thats where we definitely disagree ...doubling down on the mistake of drafting (then keeping) him instead of flipping him as an asset IMO greatly reduces the ceiling on this current build

I think its worth it to develop him vs. Trading for 2nd tier talent to add to a cap strapped lineup. This is assuming we get another high draft pick from Minnesota so that we have some young talent to fill the roster as the older guys start to get up there.

 

[LuckyLibra619]

Nice to see Wiseman throw one down on Deni

 

[Ohene]

come on man, tighten the fukk up
turnover after turnover for christs sake

 

[Ohene]

embarrassing first quarter