A Wiseman Told Me Never Argue With Fools: Official 2021 Warriors Season Thread

[FaTaL]

Warriors should always be in “win now” mode if Steph is on the team. Once he and Klay retire, then we should worry about developing players tbh

There only going to win now with what they get from draft picks, there’s no other way to improve the team

I don’t think Kerr is the guy to blend vets and young players together

 

[ryderldb]

Warriors fans want to blow up their team and get rid of an Mvp caliber player for James wiseman

y'all really like that nikka like that?

It’s not for James wiseman. I just don’t see a path where we can add a star that will make the warriors legit contenders. They are in cap hell and who knows how klay will look like when he finally comes back. The moves the front office has made inspire no confidence in me that we won’t be anything but a treadmill team. If that’s the case, as sad as it is, let curry play out his late prime years on a contender. As a warrior fan I’d rather see that than see his efforts go to waste for a mediocre team.

 

[Left.A1]

It’s not for James wiseman. I just don’t see a path where we can add a star that will make the warriors legit contenders. They are in cap hell and who knows how klay will look like when he finally comes back.

The hardest part of building a contender is finding a legit superstar... you guys already have that plus a young trade able asset and several draft picks ... you really don't think your team has the pieces to construct a roster as talented as the damn Phoenix Suns or the Utah Jazz... no way you think Donovan Mitchell is better than Steph

The moves the front office has made inspire no confidence in me that we won’t be anything but a treadmill team. If that’s the case, as sad as it is, let curry play out his late prime years on a contender. As a warrior fan I’d rather see that than see his efforts go to waste for a mediocre team.

Wow.... Guys like Steve Nash were still all star caliber players into their late 30's but you don't think the team has enough time or resources to maximize the next 5 seasons of Curry... that's interesting


Aside from the drafting of Wiseman .. what major moves was this front office in the position to make if you don't mind me asking or did you agree with the philosophy behind drafting and keeping Wiseman from the beginning?

 

[ryderldb]

The hardest part of building a contender is finding a legit superstar... you guys already have that plus a young trade able asset and several draft picks ... you really don't think your team has the pieces to construct a roster as talented as the damn Phoenix Suns or the Utah Jazz... no way you think Donovan Mitchell is better than Steph



Wow.... Guys like Steve Nash were still all star caliber players into their late 30's but you don't think the team has enough time or resources to maximize the next 5 seasons of Curry... that's interesting


Aside from the drafting of Wiseman .. what major moves was this front office in the position to make if you don't mind me asking or did you agree with the philosophy behind drafting and keeping Wiseman from the beginning?

Trading oubre would have inspired some confidence in me. And I’ll admit I fukked up on that assessment as well. I liked the oubre trade when it happened but it’s obvious he’s a bad fit. I doubt he wants to stay at this point anyways so now you got nothing for him. I really don’t think they have the resources to do. With Steph klay and draymond’s salary they are going to be close to the cap almost every year. They can only hope to develop the draft picks they have because it’s going to be tough to sign a real difference maker.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Wiseman is basically a straight out of high school rookie, playing in the NBA after not having a real off-season and no time for practice etc... Anyone calling this kid a bust already has their own agenda. Gotta give this kid time.

The Warriors don't have time to give him time.

This has been the point all along.

And these generic excuses of him coming straight out of HS, having no pre-season etc don't really hold up to reality. Everyone can see he has bad hands, can't set screens, doesn't know where to be on defense, and has bad awareness and BBIQ, in general. Those are things that aren't easily fixed; they're part of your DNA. You watch any great big man at the same age, and those were never issues for them. Wiseman can get stronger, become a better shooter, have better conditioning - those are all things he can realistically improve on. But he doesn't have a feel for the game, which you either have or you don't have, and even if there's the slim chance he does end up working it out, the Warriors' current window will be long closed.

 

[Redguard]

The Warriors don't have time to give him time.

This has been the point all along.

And these generic excuses of him coming straight out of HS, having no pre-season etc don't really hold up to reality. Everyone can see he has bad hands, can't set screens, doesn't know where to be on defense, and has bad awareness and BBIQ, in general. Those are things that aren't easily fixed; they're part of your DNA. You watch any great big man at the same age, and those were never issues for them. Wiseman can get stronger, become a better shooter, have better conditioning - those are all things he can realistically improve on. But he doesn't have a feel for the game, which you either have or you don't have, and even if there's the slim chance he does end up working it out, the Warriors' current window will be long closed.

So basically it's over for the Warriors.

 

[Numpsay]

The Warriors don't have time to give him time.

This has been the point all along.

And these generic excuses of him coming straight out of HS, having no pre-season etc don't really hold up to reality. Everyone can see he has bad hands, can't set screens, doesn't know where to be on defense, and has bad awareness and BBIQ, in general. Those are things that aren't easily fixed; they're part of your DNA. You watch any great big man at the same age, and those were never issues for them. Wiseman can get stronger, become a better shooter, have better conditioning - those are all things he can realistically improve on. But he doesn't have a feel for the game, which you either have or you don't have, and even if there's the slim chance he does end up working it out, the Warriors' current window will be long closed.

Nowhere did I mention anything about the Warriors giving him time. The generic excuses are the actual truth smh. And you're being disingenuous about skills that can and can't be improved upon. Like I said, agenda. You've bagged on this kid before he was even drafted. He isn't even at the top of the list of issues for the Warriors right now.

 

[Left.A1]

Trading oubre would have inspired some confidence in me. And I’ll admit I fukked up on that assessment as well. I liked the oubre trade when it happened but it’s obvious he’s a bad fit. I doubt he wants to stay at this point anyways so now you got nothing for him. I really don’t think they have the resources to do. With Steph klay and draymond’s salary they are going to be close to the cap almost every year. They can only hope to develop the draft picks they have because it’s going to be tough to sign a real difference maker.

I mean what kind of return do you think you guys missed out on in a potential Oubre deal ... I heard Nets offered Dinwiddie ... but he's coming off an ACL and you'll need to pay him after next season ... Oubre hasn't looked great this year and would only be a half season rental for any team trading for him ...

If that Minnesota pick lands at #4 you dont think teams will be interested in taking that plus whatever pick you guys land at in this draft? I think thats the start of a great package ... Look at the bullshyt Harden was given up for ... Vucevic went for 2 first and a mediocre young player ... I dont think its that hard to trade for talent

 

[Don Homer]

We’ve been invaded by fukk nikkas

 

[ryderldb]

I mean what kind of return do you think you guys missed out on in a potential Oubre deal ... I heard Nets offered Dinwiddie ... but he's coming off an ACL and you'll need to pay him after next season ... Oubre hasn't looked great this year and would only be a half season rental for any team trading for him ...

If that Minnesota pick lands at #4 you dont think teams will be interested in taking that plus whatever pick you guys land at in this draft? I think thats the start of a great package ... Look at the bullshyt Harden was given up for ... Vucevic went for 2 first and a mediocre young player ... I dont think its that hard to trade for talent

Oubre for lonzo in hindsight wouldn't have been a bad deal. I guess we'll see what happens in the offseason. I'm looking at it more glass half empty than full, but i guess that's just ingrained in me with all the bullshyt i've seen historically.

 

[Ohene]

The hardest part of building a contender is finding a legit superstar... you guys already have that plus a young trade able asset and several draft picks ... you really don't think your team has the pieces to construct a roster as talented as the damn Phoenix Suns or the Utah Jazz... no way you think Donovan Mitchell is better than Steph



Wow.... Guys like Steve Nash were still all star caliber players into their late 30's but you don't think the team has enough time or resources to maximize the next 5 seasons of Curry... that's interesting


Aside from the drafting of Wiseman .. what major moves was this front office in the position to make if you don't mind me asking or did you agree with the philosophy behind drafting and keeping Wiseman from the beginning?

You make really good points

 

[Robbo]

The hardest part of building a contender is finding a legit superstar... you guys already have that plus a young trade able asset and several draft picks ... you really don't think your team has the pieces to construct a roster as talented as the damn Phoenix Suns or the Utah Jazz... no way you think Donovan Mitchell is better than Steph



Wow.... Guys like Steve Nash were still all star caliber players into their late 30's but you don't think the team has enough time or resources to maximize the next 5 seasons of Curry... that's interesting


Aside from the drafting of Wiseman .. what major moves was this front office in the position to make if you don't mind me asking or did you agree with the philosophy behind drafting and keeping Wiseman from the beginning?

When those teams have 3 or 4 guys that make between 25 and 40 mil, they won't have the same depth. The Warriors have to draft young talent to keep it going unless they can make some trades to balance out the roster. And im talking major trades, as in everybody but steph. There's risks that come with that.

I dotn get why people don't see that when the Warriors team was at its deepest, Steph , klay and draymond COMBINED made less than Steph is making now.

 

[sfgiants]

The Warriors don't have time to give him time.

This has been the point all along.

And these generic excuses of him coming straight out of HS, having no pre-season etc don't really hold up to reality. Everyone can see he has bad hands, can't set screens, doesn't know where to be on defense, and has bad awareness and BBIQ, in general. Those are things that aren't easily fixed; they're part of your DNA. You watch any great big man at the same age, and those were never issues for them. Wiseman can get stronger, become a better shooter, have better conditioning - those are all things he can realistically improve on. But he doesn't have a feel for the game, which you either have or you don't have, and even if there's the slim chance he does end up working it out, the Warriors' current window will be long closed.

!!!!!
steph is 33 fukking years old and deserves better than a fukkin project on a 19/20 year old, the fukk.

 

[Left.A1]

When those teams have 3 or 4 guys that make between 25 and 40 mil, they won't have the same depth. The Warriors have to draft young talent to keep it going unless they can make some trades to balance out the roster. And im talking major trades, as in everybody but steph. There's risks that come with that.

I dotn get why people don't see that when the Warriors team was at its deepest, Steph , klay and draymond COMBINED made less than Steph is making now.

The Lakers and Nets and the Bucks and Denver and shyt even The Clippers and team after team after team every year pressed up against the cap can consistently find depth yet you think it's untenable... Thats just contrary to what happens in the league...the problem is nikkas be too picky wanting the perfect player with limited money instead of finding good roles for what those depth guys can actually do ... Jordan Clarkson wasn't looked at as some great asset before these last few years in Utah but they utilize him to his strengths and now he's a six man of the year ... when Livingston came to yall from the nets he was supposed to be washed and you see how that turned out ...

it doesn't take major resources to find guys like that family ... the difficult part is finding an MVP level player to build around ... yall nikkas got more than enough assets with draft picks / wiseman/ exceptions to put a more competent build around Curry/Klay/Dray/Wiggins that can challenge in the west ...the miscalculation was thinking your team was talented enough to both contend AND ALSO develop a raw young big man at the same time ...thats were it seems the front office mis-calibrated if the goal was to field an actual competitive team ..should have broke that second overall pick down into more than one player ... good thing is you can still do that this summer unless nikkas really got that kind of faith in Wiseman

 

[Left.A1]

All I know is as a bulls fan ... if Mike Jordan was 33 and still wanted tk be a Bull I wouldn't give a fukk if we were winning 10 games a year ... I ain't trading that nikka for shyt we just gone have to figure it out until he retires