A way more interesting thread, true feelings on Breaking Bad final episode

[GoddamnyamanProf]

No one cares about Walt's baby or his wife. That's the point. All we cared about was Walt and Walt died happy, winning in the end. A prideful murderer and drug dealer ultimately had his cake and ate it too. You're supposed to think it ended perfect because it did everything audiences are groomed to like. God forbid this person who the show's creator claimed we would hate by the end of the show actually lose and the repercussions of his actions be substantial. Jesse's free, his family will be millionaires, he screwed over the people who screwed him over back in the day, and he killed some Nazis. Prime storytelling, right chea
Him dying in that cabin, something that's actually realistic, pales in comparison to his geriatric, cancer-riddled ass pulling a Jason Bourne all episode

Of course everyone cared about Walt's family. Almost every argument Ive seen from people that didnt like the ending wanted to see Skylar and Walt JR violently killed for dumb edgelord reasons.

"Realistic" isnt good storytelling. And "Ok everything you just watched was a dream/fakeout" is NEVER a good ending.

Jesse is completely broken and likely will never recover to any sense of normalcy or happiness. Walt's fam is miserable and way worse than they were at the beginning of the show. Show wasnt about winning or losing. Chemistry is the study of change.

 

[Lootpack]

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[Ziggiy]

To keep it short, I felt the show that was written deserved a much bleaker, and darker ending, I think when the show became so popular, and Walt became a cult figure they pulled back, because the show's writing was so dark and grim, for teh ending to be essentially the happiest it could have been. Walt went out on his own terms, made peace with himself and family, and Jesse lost the girl, but essentially has everything he wanted.

I envisioned when where Walt basically has to plead guilty in federal court, and do 25 years, while his families assets are stripped, and he has those years to regret, and tell his stories of bravado and legends of Heisenberg Gus.

It was a fun ending, but thematically, they missed the landing for the ground work that built the bulk of the series.

Skyler was supposed to commit suicide in the last season. So they definitely pulled back on some of the more darker stuff they had envisioned. I myself liked the finale and felt like it was perfectly in character for Walt to free Jessie at the very end (the creator said that it was a decision Walt made at that very moment) because Jessie was the physically normal “son” he always wanted. Which in itself is a fukked up and dark thing to consider. Walt also took the “partner” thing between him and Jessie to heart, that was the one code he lived by as a criminal, do right by your partner. So it made perfect sense to me.


Breaking Bad is probably the best ending to a “prestige show” that I can think of off the top of my head (people say The Americans but I never watched it)

 

[choc_cardigan]

Skyler was supposed to commit suicide in the last season. So they definitely pulled back on some of the more darker stuff they had envisioned. I myself liked the finale and felt like it was perfectly in character for Walt to free Jessie at the very end (the creator said that it was a decision Walt made at that very moment) because Jessie was the physically normal “son” he always wanted. Which in itself is a fukked up and dark thing to consider. Walt also took the “partner” thing between him and Jessie to heart, that was the one code he lived by as a criminal, do right by your partner. So it made perfect sense to me.


Breaking Bad is probably the best ending to a “prestige show” that I can think of off the top of my head (people say The Americans but I never watched it)

I think Skyler committing suicide fits that universe. Would be a more suitable loss to Walt. But the ones opposing this thread represent the Americans who would have lost their shyt if that was the ending.

 

[904]

I'd say the character of Walt didn't deserve to have the win he had. He did too much to have that little bit of redemption..

Watching Jane die, poisoning the kid, and I might be able to argue him pointing Jesse out under the car to be the most scumbag thing he's done.

Ultimately the ending didn't really bother me that much but I felt even him dying felt too happy an ending. Or maybe just the way he was allowed to die

 

[Tony D'Amato]

Overrated series. Pinkman is one of the worst characters in the history of television. And I blame him for that plane crash.

 

[Pinyapplesuckas]

for me it is the only show to end correctly. it might not have been perfect but i never checked out and that ending didnt let me down necessarily.

 

[23Barrettcity]

I'd say the character of Walt didn't deserve to have the win he had. He did too much to have that little bit of redemption..

Watching Jane die, poisoning the kid, and I might be able to argue him pointing Jesse out under the car to be the most scumbag thing he's done.

Ultimately the ending didn't really bother me that much but I felt even him dying felt too happy an ending. Or maybe just the way he was allowed to die

Breh all those things Walt did for a reason though . The problem to me with breaking bad (which is my favorite show all time next lost and the shield) was that Walt went bad from where he started however his enemies were actually pieces of shyt as well so did I like Gus and mike ? Yes but they were criminals who also killed people and had killed more people than Walt and was gonna kill his family . Jesse also led to that as well . Walt would Of ran if he had the money as well but skylar gave it away . Jesse was the fukk up and tbh if he wanted to take down Walt working with hank wasn’t the right way . Hank also was a fukk up he should of went to the higher ups and told them everything instead he wanted to be a Popeye Doyle ( who lost ) and wound up dead .

Also Walt begging for Hanks life and saying he’d give up the money to me kept him from truly being evil .

 

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Fred.

 

[hex]

Skyler was supposed to commit suicide in the last season. So they definitely pulled back on some of the more darker stuff they had envisioned. I myself liked the finale and felt like it was perfectly in character for Walt to free Jessie at the very end (the creator said that it was a decision Walt made at that very moment) because Jessie was the physically normal “son” he always wanted. Which in itself is a fukked up and dark thing to consider. Walt also took the “partner” thing between him and Jessie to heart, that was the one code he lived by as a criminal, do right by your partner. So it made perfect sense to me.


Breaking Bad is probably the best ending to a “prestige show” that I can think of off the top of my head (people say The Americans but I never watched it)

They pulled back on the darker stuff damn near every season.

Jesse was supposed to die in season 1. Walt Jr. was supposed to die in season 2. Walt was supposed to shoot Jane up and make her overdose in season 2. Like you said, Skyler was supposed to commit suicide in season 5.

Vince Gilligan wanted to do all that shyt and the writers talked him out of all of it. If he ever ran a show solo it would be the darkest shyt ever.

Fred.

 

[choc_cardigan]

They pulled back on the darker stuff damn near every season.

Jesse was supposed to die in season 1. Walt Jr. was supposed to die in season 2. Walt was supposed to shoot Jane up and make her overdose in season 2. Like you said, Skyler was supposed to commit suicide in season 5.

Vince Gilligan wanted to do all that shyt and the writers talked him out of all of it. If he ever ran a show solo it would be the darkest shyt ever.

Fred.

 

[hex]

I feel like people kinda lose focus on the point of "Breaking Bad" when they talk about Walt winning in the end, or all the bad things that should've happened to him.

I spoke on this a few years ago:

Are you familiar with the term "clockwork universe"? It basically means, no matter how 3 dimensional or deep a character seems, ultimately they're only a function of the plot. Or more specifically, any side character or sub plot is only important in direct relation to the actions the protagonist takes.

Most fiction, movies, TV, novels, whatever, try to hide this, for obvious reasons. "BB" went in the extreme opposite direction, and embraced it completely.

You say there's no consequences for Walt's actions. I disagree 100%. There was severe consequences, just not for Walt. Which is probably to read, but let me explain.

By the end of "BB" 270 people had died, most of them directly (or indirectly) due to the plot armor Walt has. So let's say they kill Walt in season 1. Or season 2. Or season 3. The shorter Walt's life, the more people survive.

So the point wasn't, Walt is in danger. The point literally was, Walt IS the danger. It wasn't just a cool line.

The writers even not-so-subtly pointed this out, via Jesse in the season 5B episode "Rabid Dog":

Jesse, to Hank and Gomez: "Listen, you two guys....are just guys. Mr. White, he's the devil. You know, he is....he is smarter than you, he is luckier than you. Whatever you think is supposed to happen, I'm telling you the exact reverse opposite of that is gonna happen".

He's flat out telling them "Walt is the protagonist, you are side characters". They smugly assure him they have it under control. Within two episodes of that exchange they're both dead, and Jesse is being tortured. They didn't know their place in the clockwork universe.

Even the most ridiculous, cartoonish "outs" Walt was given, like the giant magnet, had horrific consequences for literally everyone but Walt. It directly lead to the deaths of Mike, his 11 guys, Peter Schuler, Drew Sharp...and set in motion the rest of season 5B, too.

So yeah, Walt was able to escape death and consequences....at the expense of everyone around him. That's the point of the show. That's why his admission "I did it for me" was so powerful in the finale.

Fred

Fred.

 

[HipHopStan]

it was fine.

the best episodes happened before it obviously.


the shield has the best finale of all time still, i think.

YES! I came in here to post the same exact thing.

 

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