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Religion/Spirituality A Very Positive Thread About Islam.....
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ambassadors for Islam have been dead for years...
And everyone is a work in progress.... You say I'm full of hate, but you can't name a group that I hate.
And you can't even argue that Islam isn't a net positive, even with the minority providing terror in the name of Islam.
Julius Skrrvin
I be winkin' through the scope
In here? I mean I can't speak for everyone else. I don't fukk with Islam because it's an Abrahamic religion mostly. I admit that my upbringing as an Indian plays a part. Islamic terrorism and pakistan's bullshyt have certainly biased me against it. I think most people here hate on it because to the outside observer Islam is an intolerant, hateful religion. I agree with some of that, but I think it's more complicated than that. I do think that Islam stands in the way of a lot of worldwide progress on certain issues.
Julius Skrrvin
I be winkin' through the scope
I said it as a troll but there's some merit to that. A lot of people in the world are basically transitioning from semi-feudal lifestyles to the modern era, and the pervasiveness of the relatively liberal American culture must scare the shyt out of them. It helps explain why people double down on the social and cultural aspects of Islam; because they see the 'moral corruption of the west' as a ploy to subvert and control more of their civilizations. And honestly? they might not be far off from the truth in some cases. So sharia law emerges, as an alternative to the west.
The indian part is the only part I can 100%agree with. Islam really needs to be taken into prospective in every other case. But the story I tell of the Charity is really incomplete - There are 3 black dudes, 1 White, 8 Arab... and 1 Paki dude..lol, That paki dude is a lil off, lol. I can't even do shyt cuz the black dudes like him so I just fall back as they are older and close to being young millionaires. .
He says shyt like " yeah we are all about forgiveness, the only people u can never forgive is a disgusting Indian. " He says other shyt about 60 blessing 80 blessing that I'm not gonna even post... but his peps... be on some real shyt over there - AND HE claims that the Indian's do the terror stuff too.. he said they were upset because they broke off . He debates me on it cuz I deal w basically all Indians in my work.... he says some crazy shyt u wouldn't believe.
You're either trolling or pretending to be naive on purpose... in what ways is the world progressing and in what ways is Islam holding it back, lol?
Islam really doesn't stand in the way of progress.. lol, progress of what? IT really doesn't. I'm not sure what u all do, but u have people in here that barely have B of Arts degrees. In most advanced fields you see many Muslims.... and most of the Muslims aren't Arab and you don't even know they are Muslim unless u say some ignorance and they are forced to correct u.
Women - The most populous Muslim lands have elected woman leaders. The US is funny acting about a woman running for pres, or vice pres. Our representation is disgusting for women and racial minority groups.... Egypt and other Muslim lands have rules set up so that women make up at least 1/3 and at least try to rep other groups - they aren't perfect but some try.
I live next to the largest Muslim population in the US... those women are cool... most Islamic women in western nations live close to the way women in general live. I know Muslim women (like 100's) and they aren't much different than most expect that they have certain morals... which is y I don't try to fukk them, i only fukk w normal chicks. In most 3rd world nations the conditions of women-- aren't the same as they are in 'NO Coast' because they take on the cultural shyt of that area.....
Speaking on India..... is Islam the reason for gang rapes and women oppression being the national pastime? What about the non-islamic African nations??? Is Islam the reason y men are infecting lil boys n girls w Aids and doing female circumcision?. So random white bytches in Utah who are forced to get married or Orthodox jews in NY are all Islamic. We never solve issues because we ignore the REAL Issues.
Politics - Corruption is everywhere, we can blame it on Islam if we like.
Science - We can take away all of the advancements that we got from Islamic states... and we can ignore that Muslims aren't antiscience as compared to more religions. Science is considered something that is encouraged. I know this sounds funny, but it's imparitaive for all Muslims to encourage science in every aspect.
Technology - come on fam.
Health - Eating is #1..... nothing wrong with Islam's focus on hygiene and healthy eating. All advances in health are allowed and encouraged... Abortion there's a 50/50 split.
Liberation - Well, for black Ameircan's ..... black Muslims have fought that fight at all times... from the ships to the TV in the 60's... some argue that hip hop brought insight to the urban youth and gave a boost to interested in history and knowledge - and some argue that the Islamic influence and 5% had a lil to do with that. World Wide - Come on son, I know that u know about history.
Social Services and humanism - No one can really come and debate this. There isn't many other groups more about humanity as a collective group. You have the negative 1% of Islam... but you have so many who dedicated their last pennies to the causes of the poor and sick. JUST IN CASE you didn't know, in Islam, when u do it.... you are supposed to make it not traceable back to u. But don't be fooled... it's KEY to being a Muslim to help out orphans, widows, and the poor.
Julius Skrrvin
I be winkin' through the scope
Lol, no doubt that India has its share of anti-muslim violence. That's part of the beef. But the main aggressor is Pakistan, and they are the source and defenders of plenty of islamic terrorism, them and the saudis. They are a failed state, and hopefully won't exist much longer.
Leaders, whatever man. And you already lost this point when you made a concession about them having CLOSE to the same freedoms. And we both know that in Sharia state laws, they have tightly controlled social freedoms. I'm not going to touch on the other shyt; like how islamic states treat gays and the lack of intellectual freedom in Islamic states, you already know. I never said that, and lol at your little backhanded disses towards Indians for this and that. You're always doing that shyt, slick. I hope you realize the irony in slating India for bad attitudes toward women, female circumcision etc... But you'd pop your shyt if I brought up similar shyt in Africa. Anyway, India's problems stem from an unequal birth rate, awful corruption, and a sped-up transition from a feudal society.
I'm not. Although I think Church and State should always be separated.
I'm aware of Islamic contributions to science. But like they're always saying, if you have to talk about shyt you did in the past, what does that say about where you're at now.
I don't see anything wrong with islamic health practices, although I don't think pork is quite as bad as they've made it out to be.
Word, I respect malcolm X and all that. But is that same spirit embraced by muslims worldwide? I see people that enforce rigid cultural, intellectual, and religious frameworks for their societies with very little room for movement. Authoritarian.
No quarrel with islamic alms giving.
I agree w this... dude says shyt that I've never heard before and shyt that's not even in the Quran.. he goes from nice guy to OFF the hook when India comes up.
I'm sure u know the indian dudes in IT, aren't really the aggressive type so... nobody says shyt.
I don't know about gays.. I know that gays are treated a certain way all over the world because indigious people, 3rd world people, and really most people feel it's unnatrual... You have to give people time to develop on certain issues..... like women, some areas still have room to grow - but there are movements.
It's not backhanded towards Indians...... it's what people claim, but PBS went hard on it - The New York Times went hard on it.. and I watch PBS and read the nyt online, so
I bring up similar shyt in Africa.. I know what the real issue is however. Hinduism isn't the reason Indian's gang rape attackers have little fear of the law. Whether it's Africa, Indian, Mid East.... I'm just glad that there are groups that focus on the real issues instead of simply poppin off about Islam.
I agree.
Islam exist mostly outside the mid East now..... Muslims are in every fabric of every thing that is positive..... so they no longer have to play captain save a backwards CAC now. Look at ur local STEM class.
Maybe pigs aren't that bad... but how much do u think the US would save in healthcare cost if everyone ate close to an othodox jew? 8 Trillion? 300 Billion?
True... but that's human nature... Read about y people followed Muhammad (u know the child predator) in the first place.. u then see what the point is of it all.
It's pretty much key outside of praying, eating, and family.
IVS
Superstar
The shrine of Islam (Kabba) and the pilgrimage (called hajj) to the shrine the predates Muhammad\Mohammed (m'hmd - the praised). When Muhammad arrived back in Mecca post exile in Yathreb (Medina - Medinat al Nabi translated city of the prophet) he removed the idols from and\or around the shrine. Starting with those facts we can determine that the Mohammedians (followers of muhammed's way\path) reformed pre-existing traditions to form Mohammedian Islam and established the Caliphate to propagate his cult and beliefs. Men like Zayd ibn Amr (supposedly hanif) are responsible for the ideology behind Muhammad's reforms.
Low key Mohammedian Islam's Quran is a tool of Shemite-"Arabic" imperialism; Just as the Bible (OT) is a doctrine of Shemite-Judahic (Zionist) imperialism and the NT serves Greco-Roman ("Byzantine") imperialism under the guise of the Catholic church (East-Greek and West-Latin) and its protestant offshoots.
Low key Mohammedian Islam's Quran is a tool of Shemite-"Arabic" imperialism; Just as the Bible (OT) is a doctrine of Shemite-Judahic (Zionist) imperialism and the NT serves Greco-Roman ("Byzantine") imperialism under the guise of the Catholic church (East-Greek and West-Latin) and its protestant offshoots.
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
you are lying. The main reason I know that you are lying is because I've been to the places that you've mentioned...
People always say " what do u know ,, I bet u wouldn't go there" Well, I have... and when i went... I wasn't a Muslim at first so.... you can't even say I had a biased lens.
But if we want to know about back then.... here is some info for you to correct.
1) The Arab slave trade originated before Islam and lasted more than a millennium
2) Unlike the trans-Atlantic slave trade to the New World, Arabs supplied African slaves to the Muslim world - Which may be a clue to why MLK, Malcolm X, the black panthers, assata shakur, and other people during the 60s spoke on the slavery that affected their people instead. Obviously, we know about history, but we focus on More direct impacts.
3) The Arab trade of Zanj (Bantu) slaves in East Africa is one of the oldest slave trades, predating the European transatlantic slave trade by 700 years
4) The 'Oriental' or 'Arab' slave trade is sometimes called the 'Islamic' slave trade, but a religious imperative was not the driver of the slavery. Anyone with a Masters degree should know this, smh... or probably a Bachelors. But really anyone with PBS should also know it. So everyone should be aware.
5) Usage of the terms "Islamic trade" or "Islamic world" has been disputed by some Muslims as it treats Africa as outside of Islam, or a negligible portion of the Islamic world. Propagators of Islam in Africa often revealed a cautious attitude towards proselytizing because of its effect in reducing the potential reservoir of slaves (two takeaways from this is.... You can't really separte the histories.... as AFrica and Asia share some history........... and conversions were actually discouraged because that would mean no slaves.
6) ...an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action.
—Muhammad
Some Asian cultures both Islamic and non- Islamic did as Europe did- and decided that blacks were inferior to their groups. While religion wasn't the driver behind this..... it's very easy for the Most Ignorant amongst the species to use anything they can to generalize groups and sub groups.
So Basically, my point isn't that that oppression wasn't as bad as all oppression. Point is, there is a reason why most notable black revolutionaries and civil rights people in America do not speak on that as much.
The concept of an Arab identity itself did not exist until modern times. According to Arnold J. Toynbee: "The extinction of race consciousness as between Muslims is one of the outstanding achievements of Islam and in the contemporary world there is, as it happens, a crying need for the propagation of this Islamic virtue."
The famous 9th-century Muslim author Al-Jahiz, an Afro-Arab and the grandson of a Zanj slave, wrote a book entitled Risalat mufakharat al-Sudan 'ala al-bidan (Treatise on the Superiority of Blacks over Whites), in which he stated that Blacks:
...have conquered the country of the Arabs as far as Mecca and have governed them. We defeated Dhu Nowas (Jewish King of Yemen) and killed all the Himyarite princes, but you, White people, have never conquered our country. Our people, the Zenghs (Negroes) revolted forty times in the Euphrates, driving the inhabitants from their homes and making Oballah a bath of blood.
wow, That nikka was c00ning hard as hell
What am I lying about in my post?
and
What do the first 4 points in your post have to do with my post?
5) So the Sokoto Caliphate and their Islamic Jihads were cautious? Ottoman Turks in Egypt/Sudan was cautious?
6) The very fact that it had to stated in the Quran shows you that Arab supremacy was a big problem within Arab-Islamic society. White Arab racial supremacy was such a big problem that Muhammad had to explicitly denounce it.
Whether religion was the drive ror not it was a contributing factor. Your trying to downplay it's affect for some reason. BTW, I don't care whether your currently a practicing Muslim or not. Muslim apologists are just as bad as the believers.
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
when did your anti-islam/muslim mentality arise? Did you have any muslim friends?
i dont get it,what the is the significance that arab slave trading preceded islam?
i think the most significant point to understand is that it was the british that ended islamic slavery, that is all you need to know to know how bad it was
and are you saying that this
is a kinder gentler form of slavery
notice those 2 Islamic looking dudes in the corner in the white robes and Arabian head wraps?
and the 2-3 guys behind them with what looks to be yamukas or kufis on their head.