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a Malcolm X quote on a good wife
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Everybody on the coli lives in a western country tho
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I think the bible speaks about the same importance of a man loving his wife strongly, deeply, unconditionally, etc;.
Also, that whole submissive scripture has been taken out of context but that's whole 'nother can of worms and I don't want to derail.
Also, that whole submissive scripture has been taken out of context but that's whole 'nother can of worms and I don't want to derail.
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I kinda regret not posting a placeholder as soon as I was tagged, now I'm on page 8
.I was at work though, whatever ;kanyeshrug;
ANYWAY....
While it may be true that in the West, there's an unhealthy fixation on the physical and aesthetic beauty in the masculine love concept....
There is an equally unhealthy fixation on romance in the feminine love concept.
Western men are obsessed with female pin-up models and pornstars.
Western women are obsessed with male pin-up models and romance literature (or girl-porn, as I call it).
There was a film in 2013, Don Jon, which was almost a case-study of the American male: addicted to pornography and consequently unable to value the sexual liaisons he has in real life, which goes on to negatively impact his romantic relationships due to misaligned expectations.
How could he possibly be satisfied with his normal girlfriend when he regularly fantasizes about professional whores?
Don Jon's issue was readily apparent and didn't take much examination to understand.
What was more interesting, and is rarely discussed, was the romantic idealism of his girlfriend.
This scene, which was shot with the same visual cues they used whenever Jon would masturbate to porn, highlighted the parallel:
Women in the West, are primed, since childhood, to have a fixation with the concept of love as deep, passionate, overwhelming emotion expressed through grand gestures of romance and expensive purchases.
While the American male's fixation with aesthetic beauty is lambasted as shallow and a deficient measure of merit often enough, the American female's hyperromantic aspirations are hardly, if ever, addressed.
In fact, it is this feminine characterization of love which is often praised and put forward as ideal over against the masculine characterization.
Not to throw the young breh under the bus, but that's exactly what @Dray5K 's description put me in mind of.
This is the essence of what I understand love to be.
The emotional concept of love is deficient because it doesn't truly capture or define a love that can endure the test of time.
And what is marriage but the test of how well a relationship can endure over time?
Emotions change just like looks fade.
Those butterflies and rushes of excitement disappear with familiarity.
If you fetishize mystery and impulse, how can you possibly be successful at an institution which requires understanding and consistency?
This is the second trap of the American romantic ideal: even if you reject the oversexualized ideal (male) or the overtly material ideal (female), many still fall victim to the hyper-romantic ideal.
When you elevate the initial infatuation phase of a romantic relationship to the be-all and end-all of romantic love in perpetuity, you will inevitably see the high levels of dissatisfaction and unfulfillment in marriage that we see in the West today.
Another one of my favorite films about love, Closer, has one of the best quotes which I believe encapsulates the failings of romantic love.
Love is service.
The Bible says that Charitable Deeds are no proof of Faith.
But at the same time, Faith without Charitable Deeds is dead.
The same is true of love.
Yes, it is a feeling.
But the proof of that feeling of love are the actions which you take to prove it.
A parent doesn't just tell a child they love them, they prove it with the care they give.
Care which can be discipline or reward but both born of a love which has the child as its focus.
To come to true love is to experience a reflection of this.
What differentiates this from hyperromantic love is that while hr-love is selfish and concerned with maintaining certain good feelings, true love is focused on providing your partner with the care they need to grow.
T.D. Jakes preached something which has stuck with me ever since "It is easy to love someone for their strengths. The true test is to love them through their weaknesses."
Instead of growing stale, time only deepens the bonds of true love.
The decision to commit itself becomes a source of motivation to continue that commitment.
Instead of looking to your partner to constantly maintain your romantic high like some kind of affection-starved junkie, you look for ways to grow with your partner.
Love becomes exactly like the Corinthians 13 love @timeless mentioned.
You can see it. You can touch it. You can feel it.
You come to understand this person better than you understand anyone else because you love them as you love yourself.
And there is the final problem of love in the modern age: not enough people love themselves.
How can you practice love when it is a stranger to you?
How can you forgive someone else their shortcomings, when you can't forgive yourself?
Too many people cannot stand their own company and expect their partner to alleviate them of the burden of enduring it.
If you loved yourself, you wouldn't need someone else to make you happy.
You would be with someone else to share your joy, to share the love you already have.
I could go on, but I've said too much already.
I kinda regret not posting a placeholder as soon as I was tagged, now I'm on page 8
I was at work though, whatever ;kanyeshrug;
ANYWAY....
While it may be true that in the West, there's an unhealthy fixation on the physical and aesthetic beauty in the masculine love concept....
There is an equally unhealthy fixation on romance in the feminine love concept.
Western men are obsessed with female pin-up models and pornstars.
Western women are obsessed with male pin-up models and romance literature (or girl-porn, as I call it).
There was a film in 2013, Don Jon, which was almost a case-study of the American male: addicted to pornography and consequently unable to value the sexual liaisons he has in real life, which goes on to negatively impact his romantic relationships due to misaligned expectations.
How could he possibly be satisfied with his normal girlfriend when he regularly fantasizes about professional whores?
Don Jon's issue was readily apparent and didn't take much examination to understand.
What was more interesting, and is rarely discussed, was the romantic idealism of his girlfriend.
This scene, which was shot with the same visual cues they used whenever Jon would masturbate to porn, highlighted the parallel:
Women in the West, are primed, since childhood, to have a fixation with the concept of love as deep, passionate, overwhelming emotion expressed through grand gestures of romance and expensive purchases.
While the American male's fixation with aesthetic beauty is lambasted as shallow and a deficient measure of merit often enough, the American female's hyperromantic aspirations are hardly, if ever, addressed.
In fact, it is this feminine characterization of love which is often praised and put forward as ideal over against the masculine characterization.
Not to throw the young breh under the bus, but that's exactly what @Dray5K 's description put me in mind of.
This is the essence of what I understand love to be.
The emotional concept of love is deficient because it doesn't truly capture or define a love that can endure the test of time.
And what is marriage but the test of how well a relationship can endure over time?
Emotions change just like looks fade.
Those butterflies and rushes of excitement disappear with familiarity.
If you fetishize mystery and impulse, how can you possibly be successful at an institution which requires understanding and consistency?
This is the second trap of the American romantic ideal: even if you reject the oversexualized ideal (male) or the overtly material ideal (female), many still fall victim to the hyper-romantic ideal.
When you elevate the initial infatuation phase of a romantic relationship to the be-all and end-all of romantic love in perpetuity, you will inevitably see the high levels of dissatisfaction and unfulfillment in marriage that we see in the West today.
Another one of my favorite films about love, Closer, has one of the best quotes which I believe encapsulates the failings of romantic love.
Love is service.
The Bible says that Charitable Deeds are no proof of Faith.
But at the same time, Faith without Charitable Deeds is dead.
The same is true of love.
Yes, it is a feeling.
But the proof of that feeling of love are the actions which you take to prove it.
A parent doesn't just tell a child they love them, they prove it with the care they give.
Care which can be discipline or reward but both born of a love which has the child as its focus.
To come to true love is to experience a reflection of this.
What differentiates this from hyperromantic love is that while hr-love is selfish and concerned with maintaining certain good feelings, true love is focused on providing your partner with the care they need to grow.
T.D. Jakes preached something which has stuck with me ever since "It is easy to love someone for their strengths. The true test is to love them through their weaknesses."
Instead of growing stale, time only deepens the bonds of true love.
The decision to commit itself becomes a source of motivation to continue that commitment.
Instead of looking to your partner to constantly maintain your romantic high like some kind of affection-starved junkie, you look for ways to grow with your partner.
Love becomes exactly like the Corinthians 13 love @timeless mentioned.
You can see it. You can touch it. You can feel it.
You come to understand this person better than you understand anyone else because you love them as you love yourself.
And there is the final problem of love in the modern age: not enough people love themselves.
How can you practice love when it is a stranger to you?
How can you forgive someone else their shortcomings, when you can't forgive yourself?
Too many people cannot stand their own company and expect their partner to alleviate them of the burden of enduring it.
If you loved yourself, you wouldn't need someone else to make you happy.
You would be with someone else to share your joy, to share the love you already have.
I could go on, but I've said too much already.
In theory, if musawah is observed and much of the fuqaha's writings are held up to some scrutiny, a much better balance can be achieved.
Islam does not have to be misogynistic or chauvinistic.
This is coming from an atheist.
Can you give your opinion on the bolded text ?
But there is no difference, except that a higher percentage of women and men arent raised with the right principles in the western society. But what was quoted by OP is something that transcends area codes, and hemispheres. A women who is raised and embodies certain principles is one who does not comform to this "western" society's image of what a women is. she is disgusted by it. and would not use those "incentives" u mentioned to screw over any person.
What are you talking about? 4real tho... what do you mean or were you just making a joke?
What is a Muslim? Are you talking about a person who follows the religion of Islam? Because there are many ppl who are called muslims who dont have the great qualities that Malcolm possessed. "Muslims" may have been involved with his murder.
but my initial question is the most important
UltimateSource
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A Muslim is a person who submits to the will of God...and a person does that by following the example of the prophet Muhamad(saw) and obeying the Quran. The Muslims you refer to who dodmt have the qualities Malcolm has I would simply rephrase that as those Muslims weren't in the position/were involved in the battles Malcolm was involved. Any Muslim who takes his religion seriously can draw deep down and find the qualities necessary to be successful just as Malcolm was if the situation called for it. Islam guarantees success once you get truly involved because your entire mind is focused on God , righteousness and good deeds. That's your life.
The first sentence is the truest. The statement after that is an opinion. An opinion that, for the most part, i agree with but in that opinion theres lies a major problem. The opinionated part of the response makes it seem that only those who follow the religion of islam are true Muslims (one who submits themselves to the will of God). Which is not true. True Christians, not the ones runnning around crazy throughout the week but go to church on sunday, should be considered and are Muslim. They dont fast in the holy month or make a pilgrimage, but they submit themselves to the will of God. The Religion of being Muslim as well as the Religion of being Christian are bound to rituals and different ideals put in place to divide people. People who should actually see eye to eye because they both believe the same thing, other then the minor details that no one can know. In the Qur'an it speaks of these mysteries and how we shouldnt get caught up in those.
In short... im finally starting to see why people are against religion. Even though, there are great mindsets, ideals, ways of living, etc. that you can get from the institution of religion (like the quote OP was kind enough to give us). It seems to be used as a destructive tool...
However, to those who are against religion. do no be against having faith and believing in the unseen
UltimateSource
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But Christians are polytheists, they believe in the Trinity...they parcel up GODS power and domain and give a share of that power and domain to 1 of his servants. If God wanted to destroy Jesus Christ, could he do it? If you admit he could then how can Christ be God if he can be destroyed? However I am not here to rail on Christianity, their are people who do good in the Christian religion. And as far as you agreeing with atheists. I would simply remind you to look at the world around you, most people in the world who mold the world, many artists and entertainers most of them are Godless. Godly people don't strut around the streets half naked. Godly people don't curse or use drugs or drink. Godless people aren't homosexual or transexual. They don't kill or commit acts of violence or practice greed and sell drugs etc. Every example I listed is Amerikkka in a nutshell. Amerikkka is a godless nation to its core, regardless of how many people proclaim to have faith.