Yes you’re right about the complex math. That’s the reason I switched majors from Computer Science to Management Information Systems. You have to have a background in heavy mathematics to get that degree and we all know that speaks to a whole other issue when it comes to high school, middle school, etc.
I don't think I can agree. 1 year sure, but when you're out of school working, it becomes exponentially more difficult to go back.
It’s not about kids working full time - it’s about a series of internships, fellowships, travel and general life exposure. The vast majority of 17-18 year olds don’t know all the career paths available so you have them going to college picking majors that have no value or end up in majors that are so far from what they want to do.
I think most of what you’re describing can be done in high school. But we would have to reform the whole 8-3PM and then two months off model and probably have to have school year round like in Finland. The summer could be dedicated to internships instead of a two month lay off. You could see how what you’re learning applies in real time. I’m also of the minority that thinks that there’s no such thing as a degree without value but there is such a thing as a degree with a cost that outweighs its value.
That sounds great in theory but extremely difficult for most HS grads in practice. You have many HS's offering work study and dual enrollment in school. But after?
I think part of the allure of college is that high school kids rarely know what they want to do for the rest of their lives....college allows them to punt on that decision for a few more years.we need to promote trade schools more and other alternatives like coding and internet learning shyt, you dont need college for those...
with HS, you get into work laws, minors being in workplaces with adults - especially when thinking about f500 and corporate roles, entertainment and athletics, etc. I know there are schools that have, or had, programs for HS kids, but I guess I don’t see how placing it in high school where kids are even less mature than college and where I think they should be focused on extracurriculars that make them more well rounded people helps. Having to go to an internship when there’s sports, theater, art, volunteering/tutoring, dance, part time jobs, etc to take place in doesn’t seem like a great trade off, expecting people to be grown even younger than we do now, which I think is already too young, I’m cool
most wealthy kids in America do that after college. They go straight into college knowing what they want to do because of the level of exposure they have to multiple professions in their families and their families’ networks.
This is where I do agree that’s where putting this information back into high schools is beneficial. Soon as you get to high school all they’re talking is GPA, SATs, college applications when if they put equal effort into talking about trade schools, which professions are entered via trade schools (or JC’s and certificate programs) a lot of kids who waste 1-2 years In college only to figure out it’s not for them could’ve avoided it by picking a trade.
You're overestimating the ability high schools have to influence kids.
I don’t think it’s a trade off of extracurriculars. Unless they’re a traveling athlete or something it’s not compromising those things. And I’m talking more about a formal shadowing process. Like I remember summer programs that I participated in when in middle school that had us shadow certain professions for days. I have a friend who became a dentist because of that and I knew right away that I didn’t want to be involved in banking because of that. And work laws aren’t an issue. If you’re incorporating that sort of system then legislation reforming work laws would go with it.
I didn't say they didn't. I'm saying that wealthier kids have the option of doing either or.
Again, much easier in theory than in practice. The government would need to incent companies to do this if it were to be implemented on a large scale mainly because high school kids offer no type of benefit to the companies in terms of workforce planning. College and grad internships are more beneficial to them because they can offer jobs in the candidate's desired field shortly after seeing them work at a closer level.
what? That’s the whole reason we’re in this mess, outside of stem fields, college degrees don’t match 1:1 to career tracks. There’s nothing a company can ascertain about a college freshmen or sophomore (most of these years are filled with general requirement classes anyway) when they take them into summer internships that greatly differs from what a graduating HS student can offer.
